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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:04:07 AM EDT
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Flat shooting with deep penetration. Ammo is still inexpensive, but surplus will be corrosive. I like my CZ52, I just wish I could find some spare mags for it. The TOK is a good reliable pistol.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:06:27 AM EDT
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Cheap ammo. Fun gun. That is all.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:33:35 AM EDT
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Seems appropriate to be discussing ComBloc pistols on May Day....
Lots of "boom", but not as much recoil. The Tokarev is nicer than the Cz52 re recoil. Milsurp 7.62x25 is super cheap (& actually available!!!). Even new made Wolf Gold & S&B isn't bad price wise. Surplus is corrosive so clean accordingly. Shoots flat, mucho penetration with fmj (IIRC 60" + in gel tests, punchs thru kevlar helmets that'll stop hot .357 mags). The retro fitted safeties on most Tokarevs blow. They work but are simply a bodge for importation. Really wacks the snot out of the primer, full length firing pin so no loaded chamber/hammer down carry. 1/2 cock or conditon 3 only unless you really trust the import safety. More or less a ComBloc copy of Browning designs, if you've ever played with a 1911 a Tokarev will be fairly familiar. Grip doesn't feel as stumpy as it looks I have a Romanian, & will most likely add a few more to the collection as $$$ permits. I really want to buy one of the Yugo M57s that have been imported recently before they're all gone. What kind are you looking at ordering? |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:36:46 AM EDT
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More effective at AP than AP ammo, yet the gun-grabbers never mention it
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:39:00 AM EDT
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I suggest that the OP get his hands on these if he can.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:41:46 AM EDT
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My Romy Tok is the best $200 gun I ever bought.
Just one thing to note - being a smaller-framed auto, be careful to avoid getting chewed up by the hammer and slide. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:52:19 AM EDT
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I have a 1950 Russian and a 1964 Vietnam bring back. Are both very reliable and powerful guns. I carry the Russian all summer because its slim and easy to conceal.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 10:58:00 AM EDT
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My CZ-52 was the best $99 handgun I ever bought, I wish I picked up more back then.
Very flat shooting round, hitting pepper poppers at 75y is no problem. If you're into reloading I have a thread in the reloading section with some loads I came up with using HS6 and a 90gr HP load with H110. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 11:11:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2009 11:22:43 AM EDT
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I just got one of these in 7.62x25mm from RolandMWilliams: 
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/ron458/TOKS.jpg Check these threads if you are interested in a 7.25x25 AR. Thread 1 Thread 2 Pure win! Sweet... |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 11:31:13 AM EDT
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Cartridge was adopted in 1930 by the Soviet Union and was based upon the 7.63x25mm Mauser.
Military loads run anywhere from 1,350 to 1,600 fps depending upon country of origin and date of manufacture. Although replaced in Soviet service by the PM Makarov in the 1950s it remained standard issue to the People's Liberation Army of China until very recently in their Type 54 copy of the TT-33. The Chinese are just now phasing it out. The pistol is based on Browning's design, but the firing mech is different. Military guns had no manual safety just a half cock notch. The pistol's themselves are fairly thin and easy to carry. Accuracy is usually quite acceptable and you can make hits past 100 yards. Recoil is not bad but they usually have a pretty bad muzzle flash. Sights are small and hard to see and the triggers are usually pretty awful. Quality ranges from pretty rough to pretty nice. It's a pretty good round that does penetrate soft body armor well, especially with steel core loads. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 11:59:51 AM EDT
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Damn it now I want one.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:02:41 PM EDT
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Cartridge was adopted in 1930 by the Soviet Union and was based upon the 7.63x25mm Mauser. Military loads run anywhere from 1,350 to 1,600 fps depending upon country of origin and date of manufacture. Although replaced in Soviet service by the PM Makarov in the 1950s it remained standard issue to the People's Liberation Army of China until very recently in their Type 54 copy of the TT-33. The Chinese are just now phasing it out. The pistol is based on Browning's design, but the firing mech is different. Military guns had no manual safety just a half cock notch. The pistol's themselves are fairly thin and easy to carry. Accuracy is usually quite acceptable and you can make hits past 100 yards. Recoil is not bad but they usually have a pretty bad muzzle flash. Sights are small and hard to see and the triggers are usually pretty awful. Quality ranges from pretty rough to pretty nice. It's a pretty good round that does penetrate soft body armor well, especially with steel core loads. I hope to find out what it will do with a 10-inch barrel. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:17:39 PM EDT
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7.62x25 is AWESOME!!!
I think that CZ-52's are > than TT-33's, but they are both good. I am still waiting for a Glock 20 or 1911 chambered in this cartridge. MAX |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:19:17 PM EDT
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7.62x25 is AWESOME!!! I think that CZ-52's are > than TT-33's, but they are both good. I am still waiting for a Glock 20 or 1911 chambered in this cartridge. MAX That would be sweet. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:19:58 PM EDT
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I just got one of these in 7.62x25mm from RolandMWilliams:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/ron458/TOKS.jpg Check these threads if you are interested in a 7.62x25 AR. Thread 1 Thread 2 I take it they're set up to run off PPsh-43 mags? |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:28:36 PM EDT
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I just got one of these in 7.62x25mm from RolandMWilliams:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/ron458/TOKS.jpg Check these threads if you are interested in a 7.62x25 AR. Thread 1 Thread 2 I take it they're set up to run off PPsh-43 mags? Yes |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:34:26 PM EDT
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The TT33 is a nice little gun.
They're extremely slim yet full sized. No other gun quite feels like they do in that it's light and very "petite" yet handles very well. They carry 8 shots and use an American-style magazine release. They have straight-back 1911 style triggers, and the pulls are usually sloppy but very manageable and they're very easy to shoot well. Expect muzzle flash and a big, deep-toned "BOOM!" when fired. Everyone on the range will want to know what you're shooting. They seem to be quite accurate and the small sights aren't as easy to acquire as modern jobs but they're better for precise shooting, especially at "longer than usual pistol distances", which the cartridge is also quite suitable for as it only drops a few inches getting out to 100 yards. They also have some very novel design features. The lockwork is all part of a separate module which can be lifted out of the frame and replaced as a whole - and excellent idea for a service pistol. If something breaks, simply drop a new module in - no dicking with small parts and fitting in the field. The feedlips are in the frame, not in the magazine. The lips that hold the cartridges in the mag can be considerably deformed and they will still work. The mainspring is inside the hammer, not behind the magazine well. This allows for a smaller grip circumfrence, important with a long cartridge like the x25 and what gives the CZ-52 it's odd-feeling grip. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:40:34 PM EDT
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Is there a way to get a TT-33 without the CRAPPY aftermarket import safety?
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:47:00 PM EDT
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Is there a way to get a TT-33 without the CRAPPY aftermarket import safety? Find a bring-back. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:54:50 PM EDT
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Is there a way to get a TT-33 without the CRAPPY aftermarket import safety? Find a bring-back. Some of the Yugo Tokarevs seem to have a good, 1911 style rear thumb safety. I've seen others with a slide mount safety but that might be only on the 9mm versions. The Yugo has a longer grip (& 9rnd mag) & looks kinda odd compared to a regular TT-33. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:55:27 PM EDT
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Thanks to all of you for that info. I went ahead and ordered one from Military Gun Supply. I'm not sure the country of origin on the one I ordered. I just hope it works! Now to scrounge up some ammo from Aimsuplus!
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:55:42 PM EDT
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irc theres a pretty zippy load using 30 cal sabots with 223 bullets.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:59:41 PM EDT
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irc theres a pretty zippy load using 30 cal sabots with 223 bullets. There is, buddy of mine would load green tip/sabot rounds for his Cz52. I never saw it, he only told me that he got some real screamers out of it.....it was stolen 
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Posted: 5/1/2009 12:59:50 PM EDT
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irc theres a pretty zippy load using 30 cal sabots with 223 bullets. There is, buddy of mine would load green tip/sabot rounds for his Cz52. I never saw it, he only told me that he got some real screamers out of it.....it was stolen
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Posted: 5/1/2009 1:26:11 PM EDT
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I have both a TT33 and a couple CZ52s.
The TT33 is decent. I use it for a vintage military rifle match I shoot that has one small, close pistol stage. You have to use unmodified (as issued) pre-1950 military weapons for the match. The TT33 works fine for that. I have shot it at more distant targets and the accuracy falls off rapidly but to me, it isn't a big deal. I think it is a fun gun with a lot of history behind it. I don't know what they are going for now days but when I bought mine I think I paid like $80 or something for it. Definitely worth the money. I have loaded the saboted .224 bullets in my CZ52. I read about it on another board years ago. I think they called it the .223 Timbs or something like that. I bought like 1000 sabots from some place which I can't think of the name of. They put out a catalog that is on newprint and they do a lot of custom Contender barrels. If I remeber right the name of the company is sombody's name or first two initals and a last name. Used the loading data on that thread. I thought it was silly and a waste of time and powder and never did it again. I still have those sabots sitting there for years now. Don't ask me for the loading data or any other details: I have all that on another computer which is at my other house and it isn't even hooked up and I don't have an internet connection there.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 1:45:20 PM EDT
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They're extremely slim yet full sized. No other gun quite feels like they do in that it's light and very "petite" yet handles very well. I would call it "almost full-sized". Most certainly not a compact, but its grip is considerably shorter than that of "traditional" full-size pistols like 1911s. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Funny you should ask. I posted a quick review in the Handgun Forum here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=76662
I like mine. I need to buy more ammo before everyone else discovers these handguns |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 2:16:56 PM EDT
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FWIW: I just googled .223 Timbs and there is a ton of info about it including factory loads.
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Posted: 5/1/2009 2:57:50 PM EDT
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I get it next week, I can't friggin wait. I'll have to do a range report as soon as I get it out and shooting again!!!
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Posted: 5/1/2009 5:25:18 PM EDT
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I've got a couple Romy TT-33's. Both have been 100% reliable in several hundred rounds each.
Here's a few velocity figures, fired over my chrono, 10 shot average: Romanian - 1465 FPS Bulgarian - 1443 FPS Yugo - 1348 FPS Polish - 1439 FPS S&B - 1424 FPS Wolf "Gold" HP's - 1375 FPS Get a box of the Wolf HP's and some one gallon water filled jugs –– AWESOME ! ! ! !
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