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Posted: 12/27/2001 5:57:38 PM EDT
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[url]http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,54%257E298760,00.html[/url]
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Posted: 12/27/2001 6:10:08 PM EDT
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Damm ..... Why does it always take so long for this stuff to come out!
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Posted: 12/27/2001 6:11:33 PM EDT
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Why do they even bother asking what his department thinks, their comments are predictable, I'd be surprised to hear one of them say yeah I thought he shot a student too but didn't want to say nothing..[rolleyes]
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Posted: 12/27/2001 6:36:59 PM EDT
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Usually cops will stick together. Sometimes they don't.
Three cases pending here in Phoenix show that. 1. Officer from Phoenix currently being prosecuted for handcuffing a woman he found drunk in her car to her steering wheel and raping her. He then arrested her for drunk driving. DNA is a match.This perp is lodged. 2. Officer from Glendale being prosecuted for child porn, including photo's of an adult raping a 9 month old infant.This perp is lodged. 3. Officer from Mesa who disobeyed orders and continued chasing a suspect at high speed hitting and killing a citizen.The former officer had been convicted of serious traffic offenses before being hired, including DUI. He is free on bond pending trial. |
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Posted: 12/27/2001 6:40:26 PM EDT
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O'Shea - now assigned to the 16th Street Mall Promoted to Mall Security, probably one of Security Cheif Schlomo's best guys too. |
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Posted: 12/27/2001 6:46:52 PM EDT
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16th St. Mall huh? Sigh... The Mall Ninjas have lowered their standards.
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Posted: 12/31/2001 1:27:18 AM EDT
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Arrington states that O'Shea's handwritten police report has him shooting a 9mm machine gun from the base of a hill on which Rohrbough was shot and killed. Numerous 9mm shell casings were found near where O'Shea said he stood and fired. What kind of 9mm machine gun do police get issued? |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 4:54:59 AM EDT
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The times don't add up:
If you read the actual Columbine Report, and not a news report, O'Shea didn't arrive on scene until after Rohrbough was already dead on the ground. O'Shea states in the report that the only time he fired was during the rescue of the kid from the second floor library window that the armored car was used (you remember that, don't you). Klebold and Harris were already dead, and what O'Shea thought was muzzle blast from the library was more than likely a reflection of something from the outside of the building. From a political and liability stand point, Sheriff Stone would like nothing more that be able to blame a cop from another agency (especially a Denver Cop) for something gone wrong at Columbine, but there's nothing there. Dan O'Shea is a squared away guy, and he did O.K. that day: One of the few cops there who didn't sit on his hands. And as far as Brian Rohrbough goes, he is turning into as big a dickhead as Tom Bowser. Jay Arizona |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 5:48:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Arrington states that O'Shea's handwritten police report has him shooting a 9mm machine gun from the base of a hill on which Rohrbough was shot and killed. Numerous 9mm shell casings were found near where O'Shea said he stood and fired. What kind of 9mm machine gun do police get issued? |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 6:50:18 AM EDT
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He allegedly said that he may have mistakenly shot an innocent student but that he was relieved because just that morning, April 22, he had been told that ballistics tests proved that none of the victims had been struck by police bullets.
Arrington said Wednesday that "someone told Sgt. O'Shea a grievous lie," because none of the bullets had been turned over for ballistics tests by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation until May 5, 1999. "He Allegedly said"....hmmm that sounds like proof enough for the AR-15 crowd. Guilty. Hey AZCop Now here comes the part we get accused of "closing ranks" and sticking together because were cops. Flame ON!!!! |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 7:06:33 AM EDT
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AZCOP: "If you read the actual Columbine Report, and not a news report, O'Shea didn't arrive on scene until after Rohrbough was already dead on the ground."
-Gee, you don't think the "official" report would ever be amiss do you? AZCOP: "And as far as Brian Rohrbough goes, he is turning into as big a dickhead as Tom Bowser." -A dickhead for what, trying to find out about the inconsistencies behind his son's death? HUNDUH: "He Allegedly said"....hmmm that sounds like proof enough for the AR-15 crowd. Guilty. - No, Hunduh, no accusations but I like how you take one snipit of info out of the entire article & then use it to absolve O'Shea. BTW, how do you go from a Columbine SWAT team "hero" to a freaking mall cop? SOMEONE in the department sure thought he screwed up... |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 7:38:08 AM EDT
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[Sarcasm]
Well I'm sure the attorney's and the press will sort this all out. [/Sarcasm] Consider the source. And I never want to hear any of you disparaging either again! |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 8:08:24 AM EDT
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Even with an MP-5, he shot [red][b][size=5]51[/b][/size=5][/red] rounds? What on earth kind of training produces this action. Shooting at either muzzle flash or reflections, this is grossly bad. The 51 came from the officious report. |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 10:45:27 AM EDT
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What's that (51) almost 2 full mags? His finger slipped - and then slipped again after changings mags. Or maybe he thought Klebold & Harris were firing on him from the parapets. Oh well, guess he's destined to serve out his career nabbing wannabe Puma thiefs from Foot Locker...
Oh, and AZCOP, as for your comment that "Dan O'Shea is a squared away guy, and he did O.K. that day: One of the few cops there who didn't sit on his hands." -Even if he didn't shoot the kid by accident, you call firing 51 rounds blindly into a building AFTER the killers were already dead "doing O.K."??? Wow, what an elite SWAT team. Two dead teens do this and the response is to fire blindly into a high school. WTF are these "elite" forces going to do if some real terrorists ever do anything? Prob. sit back and call in airstrikes huh? Ahhh, homeland defense... I feel sooo safe. |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 11:38:25 AM EDT
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Where can we find the "officious" report?
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Posted: 12/31/2001 11:58:43 AM EDT
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Try to absolve him? When did I do that? All I did was make fun of the way that the AR15.com Tin foil hat crowd was going to have him hung before the ink on the newspaper was dry. Point Proven. Steven
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Posted: 12/31/2001 2:27:30 PM EDT
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Investigating inconsistencies in testimony & offical reporting is a far cry from condemnation. While branding him guilty right away is one extreme, saying he was "squared away" (as AZCOP said) is another. Clearly he (O'Shea) was an undisciplined buffoon. He fired 1/3 of ALL LE rounds at Columbine... WTF! At a glint of sunlight? C'mon...
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Posted: 12/31/2001 2:47:48 PM EDT
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[size=6]par·a·noi·a[/size=6] [pèrr nóy ] noun
1. distrust: extreme and unreasonable suspicion of other people and their motives 2. PSYCHIATRY psychiatric disorder: a psychiatric disorder involving systematized delusion, usually of persecution [Early 19th century. From Greek, "unreason," literally "out of one's mind," from nous "mind."] |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 3:35:33 PM EDT
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OK SGB, I'll bite. Use that definition and apply it to any poster's response in this thread. Well... How is pointing out inconsistencies in Official reports & testimony "unreasonable or extreme???" Didn't think so. I guess the kid's parents should accept the official version of their son's cause of death despite the testimony of other LEO's to the contrary, huh? The funny thing is that this isn't a cop-bashing thread, it's an unprofessional moron-bashing thread. HIS OWN FELLOW LEO'S DAMNED HIM W/ THEIR TESTIMONY!!! Guess the knee-jerk reaction was to assume this was a certain kind of thread rather than read the Denver Post article and then form an opinion... Typical.
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Posted: 12/31/2001 3:45:46 PM EDT
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I considered the sources and formed an opinion...............it's mine (the opinion) all mine .........par·a·noi·a
Add .74 and buy a cup of coffee... |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 5:00:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: What's that (51) almost 2 full mags? His finger slipped - and then slipped again after changings mags. Or maybe he thought Klebold & Harris were firing on him from the parapets. Oh well, guess he's destined to serve out his career nabbing wannabe Puma thiefs from Foot Locker... Oh, and AZCOP, as for your comment that "Dan O'Shea is a squared away guy, and he did O.K. that day: One of the few cops there who didn't sit on his hands." -Even if he didn't shoot the kid by accident, you call firing 51 rounds blindly into a building AFTER the killers were already dead "doing O.K."??? Wow, what an elite SWAT team. Two dead teens do this and the response is to fire blindly into a high school. WTF are these "elite" forces going to do if some real terrorists ever do anything? Prob. sit back and call in airstrikes huh? Ahhh, homeland defense... I feel sooo safe. So, When you were at Columbine that day, What was your job? Arm Chair Quarterback. Jay Arizona |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 5:06:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: So, When you were at Columbine that day, What was your job? Arm Chair Quarterback. Jay Arizona I'm waiting for him to say the same thing, Colorado being a little out of your jurisdiction and all. [;)] Not trying to start anything, or wade in, but maybe, just maybe, someone screwed up. It happens. I don't condemn the Officer if he did, but the facts need to come out. |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 5:17:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: So, When you were at Columbine that day, What was your job? Arm Chair Quarterback. Jay Arizona I'm waiting for him to say the same thing, Colorado being a little out of your jurisdiction and all. [;)] Not trying to start anything, or wade in, but maybe, just maybe, someone screwed up. It happens. I don't condemn the Officer if he did, but the facts need to come out. FYI, On that day, my jurisdiction was 1 mile from Columbine High School. Jay Arizona |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 5:36:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: FYI, On that day, my jurisdiction was 1 mile from Columbine High School. Jay Arizona Sorry, not picking on you, Pal. Obviously, I was responding to the AZ in the AZCOP, assuming that meant Arizona, then and now. My bad. If you were there, do you maybe have info regarding the widely publicized story of the woman who |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 5:52:28 PM EDT
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Ok, AZCOP you are getting damn insulting.
We pay taxes, we pay your saleries, so we get to criticize what you LEO's do, PERIOD. You dont like it, get out of the damn job. And to use that fucking "were you there argument" is real bull shit- its physically impossible for us all to be everywhere all the time but we still all face the danger of being killed by a LEO's "mistake". Why cant they just say "we accidentally shot the kid" or even "we may have shot the kid, but the evidence is such we cant be 100% certain" and then try to figure out what went wrong and fix the problem?? And why is it that NON-Leos have to complain at all? If LEO's are true professionals they should be the FIRST to point out what other LEOs' do wrong and be LEADING the movement to have changes made or individuals removed... |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 6:23:52 PM EDT
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Armlbrl, I would point out, IMHO, individual LEO's work for an employer, as you pointed out, you and the rest of the public. The failure at Columbine was not a single LEO doing something, or not doing something. It was a training and tactics issue. The principles they used in responding to that incident were the COMMAND level directives, most dept's probably had something similar.
I know I've said this before, but in the past LEO's used to rush in to confront BG's. What that lead to was shoot outs, with LEO's, just folks, and BG's being killed. The big thinkers decided it would be better to isolate the troublemakers and wait them out and negotiate until they just got tired and came out. It's a fine strategy designed not to escelate an incident. I'm sure you see the problem it ISN NOT designed for an incident where the police arrive and there was still shooting going on. As far as 51 shots, I have no idea why, when etc. they were fired. I have heard that as SWAT was clearing the bldg their ROE allow them to fire as they clear. I think the SRO also fired about 50 rounds as the suspects begin shooting and were trying to get into the building. He disabled a BG weapon, (TEC-9), with a shot to a magazine. FYI they were appx 50 yds apart in a parking lot area. As far as someone saying, "Were they shooting at muzzle flashes?", yes I believe at least 1 officer was. He was doing that to cover the evacuation of some of the wounded. Apparently the were having rounds impact close to them. The officer was on the ground by the library shooting up at the second floor. If he missed his line of fire was into the roof. Probably not the best employment of weapons for LE puposes. But I ask you, you are by an ambulance with wounded taking fire, you are relatively sure wher the fire is coming from, and if you fire and miss your rounds will be stopped by a roof within feet of your target, What would you do??? Nothing?? Something?? Anything?? |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 7:09:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Even with an MP-5, he shot [red][b][size=5]51[/b][/size=5][/red] rounds? What on earth kind of training produces this action. Shooting at either muzzle flash or reflections, this is grossly bad. The 51 came from the officious report. This is precisely the reason most cops (SWAT or not) have no business with FA weapons! He was required to be accountable for each shot! BTW, assuming the cops had arrived and engaged the perps in an all out gun battle (instead of waiting for them to finish their dirty work and kill themselves) would FA have been required to take these punks out? NO! Would the bystanders have been safer if the responders had used FA weapons? NO! Is it time to get rid of the "play army" mindset some of these people have? YES!!! I fully support law enforcement and know these guys have a tough job at times but how about a return to common sense. |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 7:27:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: I fully support law enforcement and know these guys have a tough job at times but how about a return to common sense. Ok, let's assume you are a SWAT guy. You are on a team that has to do a dynamic entry on an armed bank robber, that has already shot other. Are you telling me you trust a semi auto weapon to neutralize a DETERMINED suspect before he can return fire? Knowing that to engage him you must enter the room he is in through a fatal funnel, excuse me door. Most firearms result in injury, sometimes signifigant or fatal, that allow the person that is shot several seconds to minutes of ability to effectively resist. I'm not sure who needs full auto, but I think there are a few people, esp if they are using pistol caliber weapons. As I remember most auto weapons also have a spot marked semi on them somewhere. |
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Posted: 12/31/2001 7:32:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm not sure who needs full auto, but I think there are a few people, esp if they are using pistol caliber weapons. As I remember most auto weapons also have a spot marked semi on them somewhere. A trained shooter with a semi auto AR can fire about 5 rounds per second. That's not enough? |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 1:29:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What kind of 9mm machine gun do police get issued? Actually, if the article had said "submachine gun" instead of "machine gun", which is the proper term for the MP5, I would have figured it out sooner. Machine guns, as a standard, are belt fed. I asked the question because I did not know of any belt fed 9mm automatic weapons that are issued to the police. It was a reasonable question, given the facts as they were presented. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 4:19:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ok, AZCOP you are getting damn insulting. We pay taxes, we pay your saleries, so we get to criticize what you LEO's do, PERIOD. You dont like it, get out of the damn job. And to use that fucking "were you there argument" is real bull shit- its physically impossible for us all to be everywhere all the time but we still all face the danger of being killed by a LEO's "mistake". Why cant they just say "we accidentally shot the kid" or even "we may have shot the kid, but the evidence is such we cant be 100% certain" and then try to figure out what went wrong and fix the problem?? And why is it that NON-Leos have to complain at all? If LEO's are true professionals they should be the FIRST to point out what other LEOs' do wrong and be LEADING the movement to have changes made or individuals removed... Criticize all you want: I do not have a problem with that. I merely pointed out a few inconsistcies in Rohrbough's sworn court document, and stated that O'Shea is a very good guy, as well as a very good cop. Danny has worked traffic, patrol, SWAT, and now works the juvenile intake desk: There's nothing suspicious about his assignments. I'm currently an SRO, but I'm not an SRO because I'm some flunky like most people think SRO's are, but because of Columbine: I have an attitude when it comes to protecting my schools. You would want your kind to go to my schools. Unfortunatly, it is just a fact of life that it is difficult to judge people on their actions if you were not there, a few exceptions being Ruby Ridge and the Branch Davidian compound, and I believe that most people can clearly see the difference between those two incidents and Columbine. As far as admitting to anything, it's difficult to admit to something you did not do: That is just common sense. BTW, here's the latest: The cop who Rohrbough says in his sworn court document was next to O'Shea on the grassy knowl says the B.S. meter is pegged. [url]http://insidedenver.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_926526,00.html[/url] Jay [B)] Arizona |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 8:25:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure who needs full auto, but I think there are a few people, esp if they are using pistol caliber weapons. As I remember most auto weapons also have a spot marked semi on them somewhere. A trained shooter with a semi auto AR can fire about 5 rounds per second. That's not enough? Part of my point was, is, and will be, that yes certian situations it may be prudent to be able to fire multiple rounds quickly. Mechanical full auto is much faster than 5 rounds a second. In most situations LE should be firing aimed shots, 1 at a time and justifying each and every shot. But I won't say that full auto NEVER makes sense. The key is the people running it should have a choice, taking into account, the tactical situation, the legal situation, and their training. If any of those indicates full auto is a bad idea than it shouldn't be used. Again if SWAT forces entry into a room with an armed subject...... They are at knife fighting range with guns. If you are familair with the FBI shootout in Miami... One of the BG's was hit at the very start of the incident, in the aorta, I don't remember the bullet type that hit him. He continued to fight for 45-90 seconds with a FATAL wound. After he recieved the FATAL wound 2 FBI agents were killed and like six wounded. BG #2 also recieved a FATAL wound soon after the shooting started and several lesser wounds, and was able to continue fighting at reduced capacity for some time. I would bet that if they wound were caused by a weapon on full auto or 3 round burst that gun fight wouldn't have lasted anywhere near as long as it did. Origianlly Posted By DoubleFeed: Actually, if the article had said "submachine gun" instead of "machine gun", which is the proper term for the MP5, I would have figured it out sooner. Machine guns, as a standard, are belt fed. I asked the question because I did not know of any belt fed 9mm automatic weapons that are issued to the police. It was a reasonable question, given the facts as they were presented. You are reffering to the "gun guy" definition. Legally a machine gun is any weapon desingned to fire multiple shots with 1 manipulation of the trigger. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 8:38:02 AM EDT
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Also, watch out for the media's definition/description of a "chrome .38 caliber revolver machine gun." LOL [:D]
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Posted: 1/1/2002 8:39:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Also, watch out for the media's definition/description of a "chrome .38 caliber revolver machine gun." LOL [:D] You mean a single barrel gatling gun [;)] |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 8:55:28 AM EDT
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I have a serious question to ask.
Is it FACT that the only BGs at the Columbine shootings were DEAD by the time the LEOs showed up? If this is so, WHAT THREAT WERE THE OFFICERS RETURNING FIRE AT WHILE THE WOUNDED WERE BEING CARRIED OFF? What the hell were they shooting at? Doesn't something smell rotten in Den... Edited for punctuation. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 9:31:59 AM EDT
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This is the part where all the "jack booted thugs of law enforcment" harp on their fighting crime and protecting us from ourselves and all that crap.
But, why did this one dumbass fire 51 rounds while the other 300 doughnut eating thugs only get off 50 or so rounds and manage to not kill or rescue anybody for HOURS, the by ALL accounts they left a living, breathing wounded man to die and forced his rescuers to abandon him. By all reports they walked around his injured body calling him dead, until finnally he actually died from COP maltreatment. I am sick of everytime somebody questions a law enforcment action on this forum, all LEO's make like they are never wrong. Fact is in this case they acted and looked STUPID on national TV. I could do better and have, I have stepped up and stopped an armed criminal , aided in a rescue of a dying accident victum(who lived because of action). A little effort by 300 "well trained" armed men against two punks would have been useful, watching them wander around posing and pointing guns at the building for the TV news was pitiful. Leaving that kids body laying for all to see for hours when he was an easy rescue or recovery was sickening. Lets hear again why this piss poor example of protecting and serving was so stellar, please. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 9:45:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Lets hear again why this piss poor example of protecting and serving was so stellar, please. Well said. As it turns out, a handful of permit-holders with a modicum of practice probably would've saved more people than 300 cops did. Think I'm wrong? How's this for thought: 300 LEOs in multi-hour stand-off with 2 dead gunmen in which a number of injured people end up dying because nobody would save them. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 12:57:50 PM EDT
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I could do better and have, I have stepped up and stopped an armed criminal , aided in a rescue of a dying accident victum(who lived because of action). . Quick, someone pin a badge on his chest.....sounds like cop-material to me!! |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 2:01:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: I could do better and have, I have stepped up and stopped an armed criminal , aided in a rescue of a dying accident victum(who lived because of action). . Quick, someone pin a badge on his chest.....sounds like cop-material to me!! At least he has the heart for it. More than i can say for some with badges. And Yes i used to have one. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 2:05:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: I could do better and have, I have stepped up and stopped an armed criminal , aided in a rescue of a dying accident victum(who lived because of action). . Quick, someone pin a badge on his chest.....sounds like cop-material to me!! Don't bother, the ROE from above would ruin it. [V] |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 2:09:20 PM EDT
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Geez, you guys act like all cops are supposed to be superheros or something. Most are just people doing a job. Some do it well, some exceptionally well, and others just put in the time. Some are even crooks themselves. Show me ANY profession that doesn't have this mix. Well?
Cops are such easy targets for the coulda-woulda-shoulda crowd- certainly more so than, say, your average computer tech-geek or accountant. I don't expect them to be super-human. I do expect them to make mistakes. Unfortunately if they make mistakes more people can get hurt than if you make a coding error or miscalculate some spreadsheet total. Most do a good job. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 4:43:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: I am sick of everytime somebody questions a law enforcment action on this forum, all LEO's make like they are never wrong. Fact is in this case they acted and looked STUPID on national TV. Your absolutely correct how dare someone from from LE try to answer a question in this forum. I think the problem is that people from LE realize that they belong to dept's that have rules and regulations, and in some cases when you don't follow those rules you can be charged criminally, become civilly laible, and be fired. Not to mention the laws pertaining to the use of force. LE people also probably realize that in retrospect there were times when they were in a high risk situation that there are a lot of shoulda, woulda, or coulda's that come to mind, but that you generally didn't have time to think of during the high speed chase, shoot out, or physical fight that you were engaged in at the time. So maybe knowing that we are just a little les quick to lend our "expert" opinions to high stress incident theorozation. Re-read the posts and find where LE types said Columbine was a good response. If you read a bit you will also see that many places changed their tactics in response to situations like Columbine. Does that sound like LE was happy with the response???? Then again with all the little insults and name calling in your post I really don't think you wanted anyone to respond other than to agree with what you said. Shame on anyone that takes the time to try and answer a question about why soemthing was or wasn't done.............. Of course there will be a thread coming along here in a few seconds complaining about LE "forcing" a shoot out by serving a warrant on some guy at his house. It is always easier to be right about what you would have done a year after the incident. |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 7:06:00 PM EDT
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How dare you guys question the action of such a fine Poleece Department!
First of all, I think firing 51 (count 'em) rounds in the "general direction" of an occupied building is JUST FINE! Evidently those "gun flashes" (or whatever those phantoms were) were supressed by the good officer's shots! But, then there are those among you who blame the "Poleece" for inaction! Well...... the Denver "Poleece" must have been "OUTGUNNED"! So a couple months later the Denver "Poleece" were issued AR-15s. A few of them thought these were so cool, that they tried them out on an unoccuppied vehicle near DIA. Just for practice, you know! Unfortunately, someone didn't like their "target practice"! Those who live in Denver, can probably tell you volumes on the Denver PD! They ain't afraid of nothing!!!!! 'Cept arresting the Mayor's crack smoking and drug dealing son who likes to rob his friends at gunpoint! No.....Wellington Webb's son don't have a concealed weapons permit! He don't need one with his Daddy as Mayor! DaMan |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 7:28:11 PM EDT
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DaMan question away, but don't get pissy because you don't like the answers you get. I agree that that incident was not handled properly. But, I, as well as you, know that often times the questions are based on the outcome of the situation. That is info the people responding to don't have. Yes there are important questions and incidents should be examined. But you have to examine them looking at what the people responding knew at the time they decided to do what they did, not on what is known 4 weeks after the incident.
Also more than a few of the questions here go something like..... "what kind of dumbass, donut munching, ninja wanna be would (fill in question), and another thing.......... Think how you would respond to a question asked in that manner, and do you really think the questioner wants to hear any other answer than "your right since you own a US Special Forces T-shirt, you do know more than the people that were actually there."????? As far as the rounds fired, I'm not sure why, when, by who they were fired. I don't have any idea if they should have been fired or not. I do know there are legally justifable reasons to fire, and there are a whole bunch of times that you can't, legally. But then again it just goes to show, when you do nothing your wrong, if you do something your wrong. And in this incident they may have done both....................................... |
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Posted: 1/1/2002 7:54:50 PM EDT
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Quoted:..... But then again it just goes to show, when you do nothing your wrong, if you do something your wrong. And in this incident they may have done both....................................... No, it shows that you're wrong if you sit out there and wait for the murderers to get their work done and then spray the building with an MP-5! In case you hadn't heard, the incident is currently being investigated by a team appointed by the El Paso County Sheriff, John Anderson. Do I expect them to get to the bottom of the matter? Nope! DaMan |
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Posted: 1/2/2002 5:03:37 AM EDT
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1- Did O'Shea shoot Rohrbough:
No: O'Shea arrived on scene after (Hello: Do you know what AFTER means [>:/] ) Rohrbough was already dead on the ground, shot by Klebold or Harris once from a distance, and once in the head by Klebold or Harris at close range, and before any cops were on scene: The SRO was eating lunch in Clement Park which borders Columbine H.S., and arrived after Rohrbough was dead on the ground, and exchanged gunfire with Harris just as Harris was walking into the building, after Rohrbough was already dead on the ground. 2- Was the Arapahoe County deputy named in the father's new court filing, next to O'Shea when O'Shea didn't shoot Rohrbough: No: The deputy has stated publicly that he was on the opposite side of the building of where O'Shea was set up. 3- Was Rohrbough already dead on the ground when O'Shea, or any other cop arrived on scene: Yes: See #1 It's difficult for a cop, any cop, to shoot someone when there was no cop there yet. Next tin foil hat issue please. Jay [B)] Arizona |
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Posted: 1/2/2002 5:30:26 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: FYI, On that day, my jurisdiction was 1 mile from Columbine High School. Jay Arizona So, you weren't there either. You were at least one mile away. |
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Posted: 1/2/2002 5:45:07 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: 1- Did O'Shea shoot Rohrbough: No: Thank you, I trust your word. |
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Posted: 1/2/2002 3:26:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: 1- Did O'Shea shoot Rohrbough: No: O'Shea arrived on scene after (Hello: Do you know what AFTER means [>:/] ) Rohrbough was already dead on the ground, shot by Klebold or Harris once from a distance, and once in the head by Klebold or Harris at close range, and before any cops were on scene: The SRO was eating lunch in Clement Park which borders Columbine H.S., and arrived after Rohrbough was dead on the ground, and exchanged gunfire with Harris just as Harris was walking into the building, after Rohrbough was already dead on the ground. 2- Was the Arapahoe County deputy named in the father's new court filing, next to O'Shea when O'Shea didn't shoot Rohrbough: No: The deputy has stated publicly that he was on the opposite side of the building of where O'Shea was set up. 3- Was Rohrbough already dead on the ground when O'Shea, or any other cop arrived on scene: Yes: See #1 It's difficult for a cop, any cop, to shoot someone when there was no cop there yet. Next tin foil hat issue please. Jay [B)] Arizona But wait, there's more... Were D and K dead by the time O'Shea arrived? If so, what the hell was he shooting at? |
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Posted: 1/2/2002 4:40:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted: Quoted: It is difficult for a cop, any cop, to shoot someone when there was no cop there yet. Next tin foil hat issue please. Jay [B)] Arizona But wait, there's more... Were D and K dead by the time O'Shea arrived? If so, what the hell was he shooting at? "Flashes"!!! Phantom gunshots! DaMan |
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