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Good luck getting any American contractors to work in that country.

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...so you're saying that american civilian contractors won't want to work in iraq because they'll be held accountable for what they do?  According to Iraqi law?

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I've always been surprised that Iraqi law didn't apply.  Seemed kind of ridiculous.. but at least some things are starting to change.  Just imagine if Iraqi civilian contractors were working in the US under the same guidelines our own contractors were.

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Except we don't have indirect fire hitting our guys working on the utilities. And last time I checked, Americans don't run around trying to kill every foreign worker they see. Iraq is a warzone. Normal rules don't apply in warzones. Not to mention we have a decent legal system here if the foreign worker gets in trouble. In Iraq they just cut your head off in the middle of a soccer field.

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...so you're saying that american civilian contractors won't want to work in iraq because they'll be held accountable for what they do?  According to Iraqi law?

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I've always been surprised that Iraqi law didn't apply.  Seemed kind of ridiculous.. but at least some things are starting to change.  Just imagine if Iraqi civilian contractors were working in the US under the same guidelines our own contractors were.

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Good luck getting any American contractors to work in that country.

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Except we don't have indirect fire hitting our guys working on the utilities. And last time I checked, Americans don't run around trying to kill every foreign worker they see. Iraq is a warzone. Normal rules don't apply in warzones. Not to mention we have a decent legal system here if the foreign worker gets in trouble. In Iraq they just cut your head off in the middle of a soccer field.

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There will be no shortage.  If you thought the mall ninja influx was bad before...

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There will be no shortage.  If you thought the mall ninja influx was bad before...

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Doesn't do much good earning decent six figures if you get shook down by Ahmed Al Law when you want to go home:  "We have a warrant for your arrest but you can pay an additional fee for an expedited hearing so you can make your flight tomorrow."

yeah no shit. the companies wont pull out but smart contractors will. your company will cash uncle sam's check and throw you to the wolves if some shit goes down. the mall ninja invasion of iraq is pretty bad as it is. lots of deputy sherriffs and former army cooks running around with glocks and rifles playing war. in another year it will be unbearable.

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I bet this news gives the libtard fags a raging hardon.

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The point isn't that every contractor is or is not  HSLD. I simply wouldn't work in such a country and be subject to the whims of that nations legal system , knowing how bad it is. My life is worth more than the paycheck in that case.

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yeah no shit. the companies wont pull out but smart contractors will. your company will cash uncle sam's check and throw you to the wolves if some shit goes down. the mall ninja invasion of iraq is pretty bad as it is. lots of deputy sherriffs and former army cooks running around with glocks and rifles playing war. in another year it will be unbearable.

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If I was there, I would quit and come home.  

IN NO FUCKING WAY would I be liable to Iraqi law as a .mil contractor.


I was a little nervous about being a tourist in Morocco.  Not much, they don't want to fuck with tourists, but I did do a fuck up that my badge got me out of.  I got to see the inside of a police station as a tour instead.

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...so you're saying that american civilian contractors won't want to work in iraq because they'll be held accountable for what they do?  According to Iraqi law?

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I've always been surprised that Iraqi law didn't apply.  Seemed kind of ridiculous.. but at least some things are starting to change.  Just imagine if Iraqi civilian contractors were working in the US under the same guidelines our own contractors were.

A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.

Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the Kingdom's “Mutaween” police.

Her story offers a rare first-hand glimpse of the discrimination faced by women living in Saudi Arabia. In her first interview with the foreign press, Yara told The Times that she would remain in Saudi Arabia to challenge its harsh enforcement of conservative Islam rather than return to America.

“If I want to make a difference I have to stick around. If I leave they win. I can't just surrender to the terrorist acts of these people,” said Yara, who moved to Jeddah eight years ago with her husband, a prominent businessman.

Her ordeal began with a routine visit to the new Riyadh offices of her finance company, where she is a managing partner.

The electricity temporarily cut out, so Yara and her colleagues — who are all men — went to a nearby Starbucks to use its wireless internet.

She sat in a curtained booth with her business partner in the café's “family” area, the only seats where men and women are allowed to mix.

For Yara, it was a matter of convenience. But in Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited.

“Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked ‘Why are you here together?'. I explained about the power being out in our office. They got very angry and told me what I was doing was a great sin,” recalled Yara, who wears an abaya and headscarf, like most Saudi women.

The men were from Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a police force of several thousand men charged with enforcing dress codes, sex segregation and the observance of prayers.

Yara, whose parents are Jordanian and grew up in Salt Lake City, once believed that life in Saudi Arabia was becoming more liberal. But on Monday the religious police took her mobile phone, pushed her into a cab and drove her to Malaz prison in Riyadh. She was interrogated, strip-searched and forced to sign and fingerprint a series of confessions pleading guilty to her “crime”.

“They took me into a filthy bathroom, full of water and dirt. They made me take off my clothes and squat and they threw my clothes in this slush and made me put them back on,” she said. Eventually she was taken before a judge.

“He said 'You are sinful and you are going to burn in hell'. I told him I was sorry. I was very submissive. I had given up. I felt hopeless,” she said.

Yara's husband, Hatim, used his political contacts in Jeddah to track her whereabouts. He was able to secure her release.

“I was lucky. I met other women in that prison who don't have the connections I did,” she said. Her story has received rare coverage in Saudi Arabia, where the press has been sharply critical of the police.

Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report.

An embassy official told The Times that it was being treated as “an internal Saudi matter” and refused to comment on her case.

Tough justice

— Saudi Arabia’s Mutaween has 10,000 members in almost 500 offices

— Ahmad al-Bluwi, 50, died in custody in 2007 in the city of Tabuk after he invited a woman outside his immediate family into his car

— In 2007 the victim of a gang rape was sentenced to 200 lashes and six years in jail for having been in an unrelated man’s car at the time. She was pardoned by King Abdullah, although he maintained the sentence had been fair

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Unfortunately, that's pretty much the case in every country outside of the US and Canada and I'm not really that confident about the US and Canadian "legal system" unless you've got a ton of money or a crackerjack attorney or both.  Maybe Australia, too.

Name me any country other than Afghanistan and (up until now) Iraq where Americans not in the military could commit crimes and just walk away with no repercussions?  Where Americans not in the military are immune from the local legal system?  

The Iraqi "legal system" is no more or less corrupt than any second world or fourth world legal system (the actual term "third world" refers to the Soviet Union nd the Warsaw Pact, now all gone except Cuba).

So, basically, if you want to be avoid being subject to the whims of a bad legal system, you can't leave the US (and even then, there's Chicago, NOLA, etc.).

Jackasses like Moonen screwed the pooch for everyone - not the Iraqis.  

If "Joe the Plumber" goes to Iraq for KBR, does his job and doesn't murder someone, rob the Central Bank of Iraq (and that happened), try to smuggle out antiquities, etc., he's not going to get fucked with.

On the other hand, if "Joe the Plumber" thinks its "no law land" and tokes up, gets his drink on, runs over Iraqi kids, has illegal weapons, kidnaps women and rapes them, shoots people for shits and grins, etc., then he's going to see the inside of Abu Gharib.  And why shouldn't he?

When peace begins to dawn, its not a "kill'em all and let Allah sort it out" place anymore.

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The Iraqi "legal system" is no more or less corrupt than any second world or fourth world legal system (the actual term "third world" refers to the Soviet Union nd the Warsaw Pact, now all gone except Cuba).

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They lost their immunity in a bathhouse.

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I don't give a shit about the contractors but US troops also become subservient to Iraqi law and that I do care about.

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So vets making a living getting shot at and working for one organization you don't give a shit about but active duty in the other organization you do?

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Unfortunately, that's pretty much the case in every country outside of the US and Canada and I'm not really that confident about the US and Canadian "legal system" unless you've got a ton of money or a crackerjack attorney or both.  Maybe Australia, too.

Name me any country other than Afghanistan and (up until now) Iraq where Americans not in the military could commit crimes and just walk away with no repercussions?  Where Americans not in the military are immune from the local legal system?  

The Iraqi "legal system" is no more or less corrupt than any second world or fourth world legal system (the actual term "third world" refers to the Soviet Union nd the Warsaw Pact, now all gone except Cuba).

So, basically, if you want to be avoid being subject to the whims of a bad legal system, you can't leave the US (and even then, there's Chicago, NOLA, etc.).

Jackasses like Moonen screwed the pooch for everyone - not the Iraqis.  

If "Joe the Plumber" goes to Iraq for KBR, does his job and doesn't murder someone, rob the Central Bank of Iraq (and that happened), try to smuggle out antiquities, etc., he's not going to get fucked with.

On the other hand, if "Joe the Plumber" thinks its "no law land" and tokes up, gets his drink on, runs over Iraqi kids, has illegal weapons, kidnaps women and rapes them, shoots people for shits and grins, etc., then he's going to see the inside of Abu Gharib.  And why shouldn't he?

When peace begins to dawn, its not a "kill'em all and let Allah sort it out" place anymore.

Jan 8 2007
U.S. Military Contractors operating in combat zones are now subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Congress quietly made this change as part of the FY 2007 Military Authorization Act.

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Unfortunately, that's pretty much the case in every country outside of the US and Canada and I'm not really that confident about the US and Canadian "legal system" unless you've got a ton of money or a crackerjack attorney or both.  Maybe Australia, too.

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You got this exactly wrong.  Second world refers to the Communist block countries, third world refers to underdeveloped nations.

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...so you're saying that american civilian contractors won't want to work in iraq because they'll be held accountable for what they do?  According to Iraqi law?

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I've always been surprised that Iraqi law didn't apply.  Seemed kind of ridiculous.. but at least some things are starting to change.  Just imagine if Iraqi civilian contractors were working in the US under the same guidelines our own contractors were.

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In Afghanistan, most legal matters don't go through the actual court system. They are handled by tribal elders in most cases. We are trying to change that by reforming the police and the judicial system. As it stands now though, guilt or innocence is determined by who brings the fatter wallet to court. You can talk bad all you want about the problems of the US legal system, butw e are not that bad by comparison.

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On top of this, the contractors salaries will no longer be tax free as of January 1st.

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Good luck getting any American contractors to work in that country.

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Just imagine if Iraq had a legal system that wasn't totally corrupt...

Apples and fucking oranges.

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Except we don't have indirect fire hitting our guys working on the utilities. And last time I checked, Americans don't run around trying to kill every foreign worker they see. Iraq is a warzone. Normal rules don't apply in warzones. Not to mention we have a decent legal system here if the foreign worker gets in trouble. In Iraq they just cut your head off in the middle of a soccer field.

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So vets making a living getting shot at and working for one organization you don't give a shit about but active duty in the other organization you do?