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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:29:16 AM EDT
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If the demos now in congress have no fear of a veto they have free reign to vote in any laws they see fit.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:36:21 AM EDT
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Obama = Democratic Party leader (at least in name). Obama: "Senator Feinsqoggle, can you introduce a bill that will create draconian penalties for people who own guns?" Feinsquoggle: "Sure, Prez, I have one in my purse right now, let me dig it out. It is called "The Mr. And Mrs. America, Hand In Your Guns" bill. And anyone in Congress that doesn't vote for it will be denied ANY participation in ANY of the many committees that Congress creates." |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:36:45 AM EDT
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Yupper. You need counterbalance, or Washington will run amuck with socialist horseshit. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:39:48 AM EDT
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It would require a majority in the house and senate, but that occurs with Barry Hussein in the oval office, we could see draconian changes on the scale of what happened in Australia.
It's not inconceivable that they could go so far as to repeal the second amendment if there enough enough of them in the congress. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:43:17 AM EDT
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That is some seriously scary shit right there. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:49:49 AM EDT
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If DC can spit in the face of Heller and prohibit semiautos, B. Hussein Obama could very well sign a bill banning all semi autos.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:52:05 AM EDT
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No way they'd ever get enough States to ratify an amendment to repeal part of the bill of rights. No need to, either. The Bill of Rights, along with the rest of the Constitution can be safely ignored without fear of consequence. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 1:54:09 AM EDT
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Yeah, because we can really count on democrats to prevent further infringements on the RKBA...  |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:09:01 AM EDT
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Check back during Clinton's presidency. Lawsuits against gun industry, magazine capacity restriction, assualt weapons ban, and so on. If we do not learn and forget our history shit is going to come back and bite us again. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:42:58 AM EDT
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Nagin in NOLA gave it a shot
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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:43:14 AM EDT
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You are correct on that. They can skirt the 2nd Amendment by bankrupting the gun industry through legislation allowing anyone to sue a manufacturer if their firearm was used to commit a crime. Defending a waive of lawsuits could put any firearm manufacturer out of business and then the Democrats have done indirectly what they could not do directly. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:50:26 AM EDT
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NOt really so good on the whole amending the constitution thing , are ya? How do you purpose they will get 2/3's of the states to ratify that, when 48 states have CCW and 90% people support the meaning of the second amendment supports an individual right to bear arms? |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 2:56:14 AM EDT
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Ratification takes 3/4 of the States. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:04:40 AM EDT
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An Executive order declaring martial law only takes the stroke of a pen. If Congress,the courts, and the white house are ruled by the democrates that's all it would take because the checks wouldn't say a damn thing. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:06:03 AM EDT
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The President doesn't have the authority to declare martial law. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:08:30 AM EDT
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They will go after ammunition, not guns. Regulate ammunition as an explosive or something like that.
Ted Kennedy already wanted to ban "dangerous cop-killer" ammunition including such common calibers as .30-30 under the guise of Police Protection Legislation because rifle bullets can penetrate common body armor. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:11:25 AM EDT
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Doesn't the president also nominate Supreme Court justices?
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:12:44 AM EDT
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Yeah keep beliving that. Just like the Mayor of DC doesn't have the authority to ban handguns. If the courts and congress are all carrying the party line no one's going to say "President Obama, you can't delcare martial law" and there are enough Jack Boot Thug wannabes out there(even on ARFCOM) that would gladly follow such an order. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:12:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:20:06 AM EDT
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If Obama's smart - and I personally think he is, he'll stay away from gun control. If he wins, like all presidential races, it'll be by the narrowest margins. I'd say your guns are safe UNTIL you have another VT or Columbine. Then the democrats will introduce "common sense" regulation - tighter controls on handguns, AWBs, etc. etc. Of course, you don't have to worry about this if you vote for McCain.... 
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:21:54 AM EDT
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Do you think that Obama wants to get rid of guns so badly that he is willing to risk a complete loss of power by the Dems?
Look at what happened to Congress after the '94 ban and how long it took them to regain power. Hell, check out Bill Clinton's book. He freely admits that the AWB caused a Congreaaional power shift. Sticking to the party line is one thing but history has proven this to be dangerous for Democrats. Obama is not Feinstein or McCarthy. Banning guns is low on his list. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:31:22 AM EDT
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The Supreme Court will save us! I am of course crossing my fingers on that..
Good luck on the gun confiscation thing. Theres not many things left in this world to make a real stand on, but for me thats one of em. Its shitty that they have to send cops (instead of ATF) to come do it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:31:38 AM EDT
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That's easy, use the UN. He slipped in a provision banning of small arms and ammunition into his world poverty bill late last year.
www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2433/text Specifically the Millennium Development Project. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:39:48 AM EDT
[#24]
After Obama is done raising my taxes and ruining my lifestyle I am not going to have any money to worry about guns.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:45:31 AM EDT
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Written test's
Huge fee's for every transaction Firearm owners ID's that can be revoked by police He can ban imports with the stroke of a pen. Put BATF on a witch hunt against every FFL. Basically make life hell for gun owners. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:46:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Yeah , SCOTUS would fall for that one....
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:46:21 AM EDT
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They will continue to nibble away at it... One big offensive? no, I agree. But a little bit of "common sense" every year.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:50:43 AM EDT
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California is good example. It's what I call the "chip effect." Slowly but surely chipping away on our rights. Gun owner here are always in a constant fight to vote down, call our beloved liberal representatives to voice our opinion, and so on about gun control. We win some and we loose some. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 4:02:51 AM EDT
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 The President of the United States has wide latitude in controlling executive agencies....one of which happens to be the BATFE. The BATFE has within it a number of anti-gun zealots who seek any and every opportunity to use their regulatory power to damage the 2nd amendment rights of citizens. If you don't see how a president Obama could play with that even if by some miracle an anti-gun congress couldn't manage to pass anti-gun legislation (which is about as likely as Heidi Klum showing up at my front door tonight in a teddy begging to become my love slave) then there's not much help for you. The power of the executive is MASSIVE. Judicial appointments, appointment power, executive orders.....legislation is only how about 1/3 of the work in Washington gets done. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 4:20:33 AM EDT
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I would also add that the so called 89' import ban was not some executive order but a change in policy by the ATF. This was influenced by Bush Sr's drug czar and the media based on the Stockton, CA shooting. Bush Sr could have said no, stop, wait but instead did nothing. A quick policy decision by outside pressure was all it took to ban the importation of AKs, FALs, HKs, etc. Sure we can get them now with the appropriate number of US parts, etc. but all it took was pressure and it changed. Obama can simply say "ATF, I want pressure on FFLs because of _________." Next thing you know your favorite gun store is losing its FFL because they forgot to spell out the word "yes." In addition before we start winning cases in our favor based off of Heller congress can use Heller to pass legislation to implement all kinds of crazy schemes. Obama can sign them into law or he can veto it. Do you think Obama is going to veto gun control? Do not want Obama. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 4:49:55 AM EDT
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Any gun legislation will be on the back burner unless there's another large school shooting.
Obama's main concerns will be Iraq and the economy. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 4:51:13 AM EDT
[#32]
Obama can do a lot directly with executive orders. The import of Chinese weapons and ammunition was banned by executive order under Clinton. Obama can also aid and abet those in Congress who wish to impose anti-gun legislation.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:00:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Unless we're talking about the 16th Amendment... 
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:02:43 AM EDT
[#34]
Yes it is, considering that this would require amending the Constitution and the procedures required to do so (namely ratification by 3/4 of the States) would be impossible to meet. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:03:32 AM EDT
[#35]
The mayor wasn't the one that instituted the ban. It was the DC Council, back in 1976. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:04:45 AM EDT
[#36]
I seriously doubt he ever will suceed.
Too many Americans, even nones who don't own firearms(not counting the libs) think we should have the right to own and bear arms. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:05:53 AM EDT
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He has a "non-negotiable commitment to Africa", don't forget. That means the UN's
Small arms treaty is viable in his eyes. I bet he meets with Rebecca Peters within the first year of his term More "common sense" gun laws along the lines of the "reasonable restrictions" we let them excercise already, like: - Hi-cap Mag bans, again - Import bans, again - bans by make and model, again - Ammo restrictions: how much, from whom, what kind, and with what added tax... - You got 1-gun-a-month in your area? Could be "1-gun-a-year" or "1-gun-per-household" Never forget this - if they can make the sport prohibitively expensive, they will. If they can make a felon out of you, with what you currently own, they will. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:06:35 AM EDT
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So we're supposed to hope he'll be smart enough to think that far ahead? Even if Obama was as smart as you think he is, why put the ball in his court? |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:09:08 AM EDT
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Indeed, and it has happened in the past. Under Clinton the BATFE deliberately set out to get rid of as many FFL's as they possibly could, running THOUSANDS of people who had an FFL as a part-time venture completely out of the business. No legislation...just anti-gun zealot bureaucrats being let off the leash. ....and guns are but ONE area in MANY areas that executive power and appointments matter. Anyone remember that whole 9/11 incident? Clinton's idiot appointees spent YEARS thwarting attempts made by people in the FBI and the CIA to actually do something about terrorism. The name Jamie Gorelick doesn't ring a bell with most people, but she lives in infamy within some FBI circles as "Dr. No" because every damn time the FBI tried to do something about various terrorist plots (including dumbasses learning to fly jets but not land them) she cut them off at the knees citing "civil rights" concerns.... This is a woman from the administration who pushed the AWB into existence but couldn't find the stones to actually do something with Osama Bin Laden despite his terrorist attacks on us. People running around asking how much damage Barak can possibly do are CLUELESS about just how much power the president has and how much POTUS can change the entire culture of a government agency. You don't really want to live in a world with an Obama-ized BATFE, FBI, DOD, EPA, etc. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:11:35 AM EDT
[#40]
+87 "Stroke of the pen , law of the land , kinda cool !" -Paul Begala , adviser to Pres. Clinton, on executive orders. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:13:01 AM EDT
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It's easy. he'll sign whatever gun control the democratic congress comes up with, under the leadership of Pelosi, Schumer, Kennedy, Feinstein, McCarthy, et al.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:14:05 AM EDT
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Keep in mind that there are lots of things that go on which are indeed unconstitutional but are OK because the Demos did it (or it is socialist in principle). The states do things (NY ignoring the FOPA in a number of cases) which should be called on because they fly nin the face of Federal law. The Demo controlled (in the OP premise) Dept of (in)Justice will simply ignore them. As another poster pointed out, draconian regulations. The problem with Heller is that it is not as clear cut as we would like or as some believe - probably as a "relief" reaction. It does indeed allow for regulations which can be misused. The only way these can be corrected is another lawsuit through the system all the way to the SCOTUS again. In that period, they can indeed grind up a lot of guns and say "sorry" afterwards. ("What'cha gonna do about it; you want trouble?") Meanwhile, Obamahole appoints more Justices to the SCOTUS and, more importantly, to the next lower level of the Federal court system. Where does one expect rights to go then? One may have them on paper but how many can pursue them? As I've said many times, you get as much justice as you can afford to buy (not even talking about corruption, just legitimate legal fees). |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:15:38 AM EDT
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Tax the bejusus of guns, ammo, accessories and increase environmental fees and taxes on shooting ranges. Additionally, they can increase the prices of FFL's exponentially essentially putting them out of business.
As far as the guns already in private hands, Obama can have his minions track down all firearms through the firearms registry (yeah, it doesn't exist  ) and implement a value tax similar to that of CA and MA. You pay a tax each year based on the assessed value of the firearm. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:16:17 AM EDT
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Where'd the OP go? Was he a troll or something?
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:20:21 AM EDT
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Still here, reading your answers, though from what I'm reading, I'm getting the impression that the president is simply just one small cog in a machine that's already in place and determined to hurt gun ownership, regardless of who's president.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:24:31 AM EDT
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Then you aren't reading carefully enough. Government bureaucrats by nature seek to increase their power and control over people's lives. Left to their own devices they will do exactly that. ...which is why having a President with some SENSE is critical. The BATFE was actually FORCED to comply with federal law by Attorney General Ashcroft, for the first time dropping their illegal registration scheme disguised as a background check. Do you think Obama's attorney general is going to seek to curtail the abuses of the BATFE? Do you think Obama's appointments in that department are going to have the conviction that the 2nd amendment is an individual right to be treated with as much care and concern as the 1st amendment rights of communists and the 4th amendment rights of pedophiles and drug dealers? Given that Obama has publicly supported a ban on gun ownership, I don't think that's too bloody likely. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:24:47 AM EDT
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well they could go by the way of england and make registration then taxation to the point where only the wealthest or collectors own and firearms. as far a confinsation goes they will go to neghborhoods block street by street and send 6 man paramilitary teams (mostly likely cops) to get the guns. this why no must register their guns. history has shown this. and if this acutally comes to this well, people will just have to revisit the the declaration of independence it really no big deal.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:33:24 AM EDT
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The guy once held one of the highest positions with the Joyce foundation. Look what one of there top priority's are.
http://www.joycefdn.org/Programs/GunViolence/ |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 6:23:13 AM EDT
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Also, remember last summer when OSHA tried to change the way ammo is handled. While OSHA is a part of the Executive Branch, some of the Senators that oversee it include Clinton, Kennedy, and Obama. If I remember correctly, Bush was not exactly happy with the director of OSHA over this flap. How would things be different if someome more anti-gun (or less pro-gun) was in power is anyone's guess.
Honestly, I don't believe it when a Democrat says, "Gun control is dead." If so, why is Obama saying that he would support a new AWB if elected? They will trying some measure to chip away at our rights in the name of "public good", "crime control", etc. until they find one that will work. James |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 6:38:16 AM EDT
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With regards to OSHA their rule making and implementation is super slow so we are lucky it was them and not another department that attempted the rules and regs. on ammunition and explosives. Being that I deal with them a lot I felt the need to tear apart their proposal and send them several emails detailing large open holes in the program that would have made it a waste to implement and try to enforce it. That being said and as many of us know congress is only part of the worries. There are many federal agencies out there under the executive umbrella that can affect the small arms industry in the US. Those on the left don't seem to mind causing havoc in it regardless of the consequences so don't expect any lefty appointees to these agencies to show logic or even pity to our interest or cause. And as John_Wayne777 said think about many of the other important tasks the Executive rules over like intelligence and such. Obama has no clue when end of a gun a bullet comes out of. Do you think he and his leftist ilk are going to make proper decisions on intel or economic situations? I'm sure they'll make decisions but they will be ones that are socialist. |
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