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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:50:03 PM EDT
 The part in red does no say, suggest, or is it recommend. It says "I order to avoid violations" What do you think? I know you all know what AR-15 model SP1 configuration is. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:52:41 PM EDT
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interesting...
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:54:44 PM EDT
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IN
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:55:36 PM EDT
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wonderful... accident= violation 
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:56:45 PM EDT
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Am I condemned to hell for having a 9mm bolt?
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:56:52 PM EDT
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Wow OK
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:57:14 PM EDT
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This should be an interesting thread... in before the carnage
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:58:34 PM EDT
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How recent is this?
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:58:44 PM EDT
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It also may mean if we test one of your rifles, and get hammer follow and all the parts are not AR-15 Model SP1 parts, and we can get it to double, your ass is ours. 
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:59:42 PM EDT
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2007 |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:01:51 PM EDT
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until you get a good lawyer to smack that bullshit straight outa court  there are two sides people... |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:05:58 PM EDT
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"We can send you to Club Fed for entropy, or by inducing known and dangerous malfunctions, or both."
FUCK YOU, JACKBOOTS. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:12:20 PM EDT
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I think if they remove the disconnector and get automatic fire, they are in a world of hurt. But if the disconnector breaks, good luck. But that should be a very rare problem, right?
Since most bolt carriers are now shouded collar, the risk is real. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:13:42 PM EDT
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I'd expect better grammar from a government office. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:14:28 PM EDT
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That sounds exactly like the advise that Bushmaster had posted on their website for a number of years.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:14:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:16:00 PM EDT
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The FCG's in all my AR-1 rifles are being changed out to true AR-15 FCG's, not M16 done to SP1 configuration.
To heck with then, not taking any chances.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:16:56 PM EDT
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I would have to agree. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:17:56 PM EDT
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tag |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:23:00 PM EDT
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Are their assertions correct?
Can/will you get automatic fire by the means they describe? ***If so, aren't they in violation - telling how to "convert" a semi-auto to full-auto?!? 
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:23:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:24:45 PM EDT
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I would chuck any M-16 parts in an AR-15 without reservation. Hell, I even chucked the two stage trigger in my RRA Entry Tactical when it got too light. The Bladerunner debacle has me paranoid.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:24:55 PM EDT
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uh... it isn't illegal to know how to make machine guns. Or to tell others how to make machine guns. You could publish a how-to make machine-guns for dummies book and they couldn't do jack shit to you for it. Freedom of speech, baby. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:25:47 PM EDT
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Apparently you can get hammer follow, which CAN land your ass in prison. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:30:31 PM EDT
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Despite the fact that if an ATF agent took his issued semi AR to an ATF armorer because it was exhibiting hammer-follow, the armorer would regard it as a malfunctioning rifle and repair it thusly.  Some pigs are more equal than others.Nobody who knows jack shit about guns is going to argue that hammer follow and potential out-of-battery detonation is anything except a state of perilous malfunction. There's a damn good reason no closed-bolt automatic weapon was ever designed that utilized hammer-follow as a method of operation. Nobody with a two-shits-minimum for brains can honestly argue otherwise. Nobody, that is, except those who want to send people to jail and scare others. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:30:35 PM EDT
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You could get hammer follow many ways, if you have hammer follow and the second round goes off. You have a machine gun, abet you would need some M16 parts for the hammer to hit the second primer. With all AR-15 parts the hammer follow should not hit the firing pin but be trapped. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:36:04 PM EDT
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wuss.. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:36:17 PM EDT
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SCOTUS (via the Staples ruling) said otherwise. ATF is in contradiction of a SCOTUS ruling. Where are the US Marshals? |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:36:43 PM EDT
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wuss.. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:38:54 PM EDT
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gotta read this tomorrow.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:39:35 PM EDT
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the weapon was originally designed using the parts, I'll keep mine right where they are..
Fuck those assholes and the writer Obama sent to pen their "manual" |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:42:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:45:10 PM EDT
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2 years in a federal corrections facility and a lifetime as a convicted felon aren't something I'm willing to risk for a hammer follow. Get crossways of the ATF and they will lie, cheat and steal to send your ass up. Malfunctions are machine guns, just ask David Olofson. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 9:57:52 PM EDT
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Then explain my carrier from CMMG: Shrouded (M16-style) firing pin Cut rear carrier (standard AR15-style) I run it with a properly modified M16 hammer and have ZERO issues. I also maintain and inspect disco and spring often. 100% legal and reliable.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:09:10 PM EDT
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All of my carriers are shrouded. They are NOT M16, trimmed to within 3/8" of the rear. As such, they wouldn't trap the hammer. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:17:11 PM EDT
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The AR-15 carrier is milled below the firing pin channel, you can see part of the firing pin. The AR-15 firing is different than a M16 firing pin. The AR-15 hammer has a small amount milled out area on the top of the face. about 10 or so mm. long. These Items allow the hammer to have the milled area on the hammer not to hit the firing pin. or get trapped behind the first larger milled part of the pin. I think.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:29:17 PM EDT
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This is a new handbook?
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:33:46 PM EDT
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Well this thread needs at least a temporay tack. Given the implications.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:35:59 PM EDT
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Once the atf gets your gun it doesn't matter what parts you have in it. If they want to screw you, they will. How do they get away with it? We let them.
They have always been a rouge and corrupt agency but under old gonzales things became much worse. Right now the atf is on a push to declare any semiauto firearm a machine gun using the twisted logic that all semiautos are readily convertible. Do what you want. Just don't tell anyone what you did. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:36:48 PM EDT
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Fuck them and their hand book.
If anyone tries to take anything away from me then they will be looked at and dealt with as any other petty thief. ....and yes OMG I do have a M16 bolt in one of my ARs |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:37:08 PM EDT
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I know it sucks, but at least it is clearly defined. More so than a lot of things from the ATF.
I didn't see when this was published. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:41:05 PM EDT
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That may be, but if you do not have the M16 parts in your rifle to begin with it will probably go a lot further for your defense in court. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:41:24 PM EDT
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Lead to believe 2007. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:48:08 PM EDT
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Thank you, I am curious if this was brought up in Bladerunner's case then? |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:49:49 PM EDT
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If they will take a disconnector out, they will swap an M16 carrier in there.
How do they establish chain of custody and what protects us from being run roughshod over by the ATF? |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:50:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:55:33 PM EDT
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I own a:
Mini-14 Shoe Strings A Key Chain I'm so fucked.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 11:00:43 PM EDT
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Those of you who have any aftermarket trigger parts (JP FCG, for one) might want to ditch the JP hammer, because it can't be "trapped" Like the AR15 hammer. Not like it matters if you have the shrouded FP carrier anyway.
Sucks, last two uppers I bought had AR15 carriers (cut back so they will not trip an auto sear), but still had the shrouded FP.  It gets expensve keeping up with CYA. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 11:02:26 PM EDT
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If the ATF was disbanded tomorrow I don't think I could be happier.
Buncha pukes trying to justify their jobs, |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 11:02:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:21:13 AM EDT
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Given the Implications.
THIS NEEDS A TACK. |
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