If you live in a state that is not going to go Republican...

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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:20:00 PM EDT

...why not vote Libertarian? Not because you think the Libertarian Party is the end-all, be-all greatest thing since sliced cheese, but because a jump in the number of votes for Libertarian candidates is going to pressure the Republican Party to stop their shift to the left and return to small-government, fiscal conservatives?

Even if I thought John McCain was a little bit greater than the Second Coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and decided to pour my heart and soul into campaigning for him... he is not going to carry California. It just isn't going to happen. So, every vote for McCain in CA is a vote for leftism. It's a vote affirming the slide to the left by all GOP candidates. It reinforces the ultimate demise of this country in a swamp of Socialist wealth redistribution and the destruction of personal liberty. I just can't cast that vote.

Please note, I am not suggesting that those in "swing" states should vote against a principle that McCain is better than Obama. In the short term, this country will be somewhat better off with McCain, so if someone in Kansas or Pennsylvania has to vote for him, so be it.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:29:48 PM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
...why not vote Libertarian? Not because you think the Libertarian Party is the end-all, be-all greatest thing since sliced cheese, but because a jump in the number of votes for Libertarian candidates is going to pressure the Republican Party to stop their shift to the left and return to small-government, fiscal conservatives?

Even if I thought John McCain was a little bit greater than the Second Coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and decided to pour my heart and soul into campaigning for him... he is not going to carry California. It just isn't going to happen. So, every vote for McCain in CA is a vote for leftism. It's a vote affirming the slide to the left by all GOP candidates. It reinforces the ultimate demise of this country in a swamp of Socialist wealth redistribution and the destruction of personal liberty. I just can't cast that vote.

Please note, I am not suggesting that those in "swing" states should vote against a principle that McCain is better than Obama. In the short term, this country will be somewhat better off with McCain, so if someone in Kansas or Pennsylvania has to vote for him, so be it.

Your confounded logic has no place on the arf.

Everyone here has the theory that until a critical mass is reached, it is silly to be pointed in the right direction.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:31:25 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

Your confounded logic has no place on the arf.

Everyone here has the theory that until a critical mass is reached, it is silly to be pointed in the right direction.

We're under the delusion that it will not get worse before things get better.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:33:51 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
...why not vote Libertarian? Not because you think the Libertarian Party is the end-all, be-all greatest thing since sliced cheese, but because a jump in the number of votes for Libertarian candidates is going to pressure the Republican Party to stop their shift to the left and return to small-government, fiscal conservatives?

Even if I thought John McCain was a little bit greater than the Second Coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and decided to pour my heart and soul into campaigning for him... he is not going to carry California. It just isn't going to happen. So, every vote for McCain in CA is a vote for leftism. It's a vote affirming the slide to the left by all GOP candidates. It reinforces the ultimate demise of this country in a swamp of Socialist wealth redistribution and the destruction of personal liberty. I just can't cast that vote.

Please note, I am not suggesting that those in "swing" states should vote against a principle that McCain is better than Obama. In the short term, this country will be somewhat better off with McCain, so if someone in Kansas or Pennsylvania has to vote for him, so be it.

I've said this very thing in a few threads here on Arfcom and all I ever get is,

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:36:34 PM EDT

[#4]

Every vote counts. Clinton won his first Presidency by less than 100 votes in a couple of states. People decided not to show up, and Clinton got in.

I won't be part of that mistake ever again.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:42:01 PM EDT

[#5]

might as well not vote at all

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:46:32 PM EDT

[#6]

How do you know the state "is not going to go Republican" until after the election?

Do you know how many times the media has "predicted" election results and been WRONG?

I sincerely hope you don't have a head full of left wing media propaganda and swallow all their "poll results" like they are gospel.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:46:45 PM EDT

[#7]

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Every vote counts. Clinton won his first Presidency by less than 100 votes in a couple of states. People decided not to show up, and Clinton got in.

I won't be part of that mistake ever again.

Which 2 states did Bill Clinton win by less than 100 votes. A link proving this assertion will be suffcient.

pmc

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:52:45 PM EDT

[#8]

Bill Clinton was president becasue of Ross Pero.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:54:00 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
might as well not vote at all

pretty much.. why vote for people I have nothing in common with?!?!

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:56:11 PM EDT

[#10]

Oh yea that really makes sence. "It looks like we're going to lose anyway, so I'll just give up and say fuck it" Are you kidding me? Not to mention I never want any part of me associated with Libertarians. I'll be voting McCain, you can thank me after the election.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:57:38 PM EDT

[#11]

See, I told you.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:58:41 PM EDT

[#12]

On the Presidency, when did the popular vote matter anyways?

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:59:45 PM EDT

[#13]

I won't take any chances when socialism is looming on the horizon.

Posted: 6/4/2008 6:59:58 PM EDT

[#14]

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On the Presidency, when did the popular vote matter anyways?

Doesn't matter, if we don't show up to vote McCain sure isn't getting any of our electoral college votes either.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:01:15 PM EDT

[#15]

Well, you're right. It's winner-take-all for the electoral college votes, so if you're in a solid blue state, it really doesn't matter who you vote for.

Normally.

This election, though, I don't think any state is guaranteed to go Dem (well, probably Illinois

). But the race factor is going to rear its head - who knows, states that have been solidly Dem in the past might not be so easy this time. Only a fool would believe that there aren't a lot of regular Dem voters out there who are going to think twice about voting for the black guy with the funny name.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:04:31 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Well, you're right. It's winner-take-all for the electoral college votes, so if you're in a solid blue state, it really doesn't matter who you vote for.

Normally.

This election, though, I don't think any state is guaranteed to go Dem (well, probably Illinois

). But the race factor is going to rear its head - who knows, states that have been solidly Dem in the past might not be so easy this time. Only a fool would believe that there aren't a lot of regular Dem voters out there who are going to think twice about voting for the black guy with the funny name.

There are a lot of Dems out there that really don't like Obama. My mom's one of 'em, she's been voting for Dems a real long time, and she'll be the first to tell you there's no way in hell we can let Obama win. There are a lot of people like that out there, while the solid blue states like New York, California, Illinois, Mass., etc. may stay blue there're a few blue states that could turn the other way.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:06:31 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Every vote counts. Clinton won his first Presidency by less than 100 votes in a couple of states. People decided not to show up, and Clinton got in.

I won't be part of that mistake ever again.

Bill Clinton was president becasue of Ross Pero.

This

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:06:40 PM EDT

[#18]

Vote McCain anyway and "send Obama a message", like politicians take such messages to heart

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:08:28 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
...why not vote Libertarian? Not because you think the Libertarian Party is the end-all, be-all greatest thing since sliced cheese, but because a jump in the number of votes for Libertarian candidates is going to pressure the Republican Party to stop their shift to the left and return to small-government, fiscal conservatives?

Even if I thought John McCain was a little bit greater than the Second Coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and decided to pour my heart and soul into campaigning for him... he is not going to carry California. It just isn't going to happen. So, every vote for McCain in CA is a vote for leftism. It's a vote affirming the slide to the left by all GOP candidates. It reinforces the ultimate demise of this country in a swamp of Socialist wealth redistribution and the destruction of personal liberty. I just can't cast that vote.

Please note, I am not suggesting that those in "swing" states should vote against a principle that McCain is better than Obama. In the short term, this country will be somewhat better off with McCain, so if someone in Kansas or Pennsylvania has to vote for him, so be it.

I've said this very thing in a few threads here on Arfcom and all I ever get is,

Well, here, you get another one for playing

This is a retarded argument. Vote for someone like Bob Barr who is very liberal on some issues compared to McCain and all will be better? Here's another one

and a

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:08:34 PM EDT

[#20]

You know something? That's a good idea.

I won't do it in Ohio, but I'd totally do it in California or IL.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:10:15 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Oh yea that really makes cents. "It looks like we're going to loose anyway, so I'll just give up and say fuck it" Are you kidding me? Not to mention I never want any part of me associated with Libertarians. I'll be voting McCain, you can thank me after the election.

Fixed it for you.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:10:41 PM EDT

[#22]

McCain has no chance in MD, but I'm going to make sure I vote for him. If I recall correctly, several liberal states elected to award their electoral college delegates to whoever wins the nationwide popular vote, so in that case every vote does count.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:11:19 PM EDT

[#23]

Obama is a threat to our national security. Therefore, I feel that we should vote for the most viable alternative and let the chips fall where the may.

I voted for Perot in '92 and helped get Clinton elected. Bill rewarded me with a 10 year AWB. Lesson learned.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:13:08 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
You know something? That's a good idea.

I won't do it in Ohio, but I'd totally do it in California or IL.

Brother, our state is going to be one of the few that decide this election, just like last time. VOTE McCAIN! (But I think you already know that).

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:15:46 PM EDT

[#25]

Voting Libertarian will sure send a message.
It will read "OBAMA WINS!"

I wish it was not this way, but every vote not for Mccain, might as well be for Obama.

Until the Libertarians can get a real candidate with real money backing, any vote for them is a waste.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:15:49 PM EDT

[#26]

I'll be voting McCain.

I don't even want to think about what the ROPs would do if walk away from Iraq.

That shit will follow us home.

ETA: If you vote for someone other than McCain or Obama and Obama wins, the lesson republicans will learn is that they need to be more like Obama to win.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:23:23 PM EDT

[#27]

I don't think there is worry about TEXAS.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:24:08 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You know something? That's a good idea.

I won't do it in Ohio, but I'd totally do it in California or IL.

Brother, our state is going to be one of the few that decide this election, just like last time. VOTE McCAIN! (But I think you already know that).

I do, and I will (while holding my nose).

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:30:18 PM EDT

[#29]

It isnt just the very liberal states where that would be a good idea, but also the very conservative ones.

Like Wyoming or Idaho. Obama will not carry those states period, so you might as well vote constitution party or libertarian.

Doing so would actually help more than voting Mccain as it would help those parties get noticed and might help them grow whereas voting Mccain will not help as he is going to win anyway.

Now states like OH, PA, MI, VA, one would be wise to vote mccain as the lesser of two evils. I dont like him, but I dont want a obama presidency, that could be the death of our nation

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:33:23 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Every vote counts. Clinton won his first Presidency by less than 100 votes in a couple of states. People decided not to show up, and Clinton got in.

I won't be part of that mistake ever again.

Yup, and the Dems always scream popular vote... as if it matters. I won't deprive McCain a vote with the chance he will win the electoral but not popular and be saddled with that.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:39:09 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
Well, you're right. It's winner-take-all for the electoral college votes, so if you're in a solid blue state, it really doesn't matter who you vote for.

Normally.

This election, though, I don't think any state is guaranteed to go Dem (well, probably Illinois

). But the race factor is going to rear its head - who knows, states that have been solidly Dem in the past might not be so easy this time. Only a fool would believe that there aren't a lot of regular Dem voters out there who are going to think twice about voting for the black guy with the funny name.

I agree. I think Obama could be McGovern Act II. I live in Colorado, a purple state so I will vote for McCain.

But I don't think I would vote for the Libertarian candidate anyway. I think Barr is an opportunist.

Posted: 6/4/2008 7:44:15 PM EDT

[#32]

Why remove some of the popular vote from McCain? That makes no sense to me, regardless of the state's electoral outcome.

Posted: 6/4/2008 8:56:28 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
You know something? That's a good idea.

I won't do it in Ohio, but I'd totally do it in California or IL.

I'd right in Howdy Doody before i wasted my vote on a libertarian.

Fuck it, i'll drink the kool aid and vote for MCCain even though its like pissing in the wind in this state.

Posted: 6/4/2008 11:50:43 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
On the Presidency, when did the popular vote matter anyways?

Because the popular vote in each state determines how the Electoral College votes from that state go. If it was just popular vote, the parties would concentrate on a few big cities and ignore all the flyover states.

Posted: 6/5/2008 12:01:49 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Oh yea that really makes cents. "It looks like we're going to loose anyway, so I'll just give up and say fuck it" Are you kidding me? Not to mention I never want any part of me associated with Libertarians. I'll be voting McCain, you can thank me after the election.

Fixed it for you.

Good fix job.

Cents should be sense, and he spelled lose right the first time.

Posted: 6/5/2008 12:23:57 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
...why not vote Libertarian? Not because you think the Libertarian Party is the end-all, be-all greatest thing since sliced cheese, but because a jump in the number of votes for Libertarian candidates is going to pressure the Republican Party to stop their shift to the left and return to small-government, fiscal conservatives?

Even if I thought John McCain was a little bit greater than the Second Coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and decided to pour my heart and soul into campaigning for him... he is not going to carry California. It just isn't going to happen. So, every vote for McCain in CA is a vote for leftism. It's a vote affirming the slide to the left by all GOP candidates. It reinforces the ultimate demise of this country in a swamp of Socialist wealth redistribution and the destruction of personal liberty. I just can't cast that vote.

Please note, I am not suggesting that those in "swing" states should vote against a principle that McCain is better than Obama. In the short term, this country will be somewhat better off with McCain, so if someone in Kansas or Pennsylvania has to vote for him, so be it.

I've said this very thing in a few threads here on Arfcom and all I ever get is,

Posted: 6/5/2008 12:35:33 AM EDT

[#37]

fuck it, i'm in.

RON PAUL FOREVVVVEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!

Posted: 6/5/2008 1:21:25 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
You know something? That's a good idea.

I won't do it in Ohio, but I'd totally do it in California or IL.

+1

If you are in a GUARANTEED blue state it could only help to show the R's we're not happy.

Posted: 6/5/2008 1:26:45 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Oh yea that really makes cents. "It looks like we're going to loose anyway, so I'll just give up and say fuck it" Are you kidding me? Not to mention I never want any part of me associated with Libertarians. I'll be voting McCain, you can thank me after the election.

Fixed it for you.

Good fix job.

Cents should be sense, and he spelled lose right the first time.

I saw that as well.

Don't quit your day job 068.

Posted: 6/5/2008 1:47:41 AM EDT

[#40]

If you're thinking of a protest vote or staying home because you're state's a forgone conclusion, don't.

I don't advocate the national popular vote, but this site has decent info on the situation.

www.nationalpopularvote.com/

Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland have all gone with the national popular vote.

That's 50 electoral votes from 4 of the most liberal states in the country that every one of you from Alaska to Florida get to vote for. It'll be worth it alone to see the liberal meltdown when their electoral votes don't go to their new savior.

Posted: 6/5/2008 2:08:56 AM EDT

[#41]

Third Parties do not work. Get that into your heads, they simply don't work. If you want a third party make sure it is big enough to eclipse the party you want replaced.

As for voting for a "libertarian" which one do you want me to vote for? Ron Paul or Bob Barr? They are nut cases and I refuse to support someone that is as deluded as they.

At the very least McCain is familiar with the system and should be able to work it to help us. He's not my favorite, but I'll be damned if I vote for a nutcase suggesting we go back to the gold standard.

Posted: 6/5/2008 2:30:42 AM EDT

[#42]

Don't risk it.. just vote Mccain.

Posted: 6/5/2008 2:45:52 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
If you're thinking of a protest vote or staying home because you're state's a forgone conclusion, don't.

I don't advocate the national popular vote, but this site has decent info on the situation.

www.nationalpopularvote.com/

Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland have all gone with the national popular vote.

That's 50 electoral votes from 4 of the most liberal states in the country that every one of you from Alaska to Florida get to vote for. It'll be worth it alone to see the liberal meltdown when their electoral votes don't go to their new savior.

+1

When this dog and pony show started I was in agreement with the OP. Now that we know who the candidates are and given comments I've heard from some life long Dems and factor in the results in the PR primary, I have a feeling that even NY could be in play this year.

Posted: 6/5/2008 4:08:30 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Every vote counts. Clinton won his first Presidency by less than 100 votes in a couple of states. People decided not to show up, and Clinton got in.

I won't be part of that mistake ever again.

QFT

My brain refused to accept that Clinton could win.

So wrong....

Posted: 6/5/2008 4:19:31 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Third Parties do not work...

In order:
Whig
Democratic
Whig
Whig
Democratic
Democratic

When your political party has totally given up on its ideology and shits all over it supporters all sorts of neato things can happen.

Posted: 6/5/2008 4:37:30 AM EDT

[#46]

Well I'm in Ohio but I'm not voting for McCain. Sorry but the Republicans lost me awhile ago. Might as well let the first black president fuck everything up and maybe it'll get better in 2012.

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