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Posted: 11/4/2001 9:37:57 AM EDT

Firefighter ? I know every branch has a firefighter team and most of the time one is better then the other. Also is there a way to find out who has the better program?

Posted: 11/4/2001 9:43:58 AM EDT

[#1]

Off the top of my head, I would say Navy. That kind of stuff is the greatest danger to a ship.

Posted: 11/4/2001 9:57:39 AM EDT

[#2]

Air Force or Navy.
They have most of the Av-gas that will start a fire just like that!,and they both have to put out fire very fast in small spaces like inside ships and planes that don't give you much time.
The bad thing is that if you are thinking of doing your 20 years and so and being a fire Fighter for a city after I don't know how moch you will learn that could help you.
The AF and Navy deal the stuff nobody else deals with,you may never use what you learn again.

Posted: 11/4/2001 10:05:18 AM EDT

[#3]

Well right now I'm just thinking of jobs that I will have fun doing for 2-4 years.

There are a few other jobs I'm also looking at from the Army and Air force like Pararescue(AF) Survival evasion,Resist,Escape OPS(AF) M.P(AF,ARMY) Cavalry scout(Army)

Posted: 11/4/2001 10:09:56 AM EDT

[#4]

"Survival evasion"

Thats my MOS,I'll let you know how it is after I find out if you still don't know what you want.

Posted: 11/4/2001 10:17:44 AM EDT

[#5]

WTF???? Too cool for the USMC????? [:D] Scout/Sniper or Force Recon[sniper]

[marines]

Posted: 11/4/2001 10:20:59 AM EDT

[#6]

SERE, NBC Warfare Defense (SNEC), Damage Control, Fire Fighting, etc. Was "Team Leader". You had to go to numerous schools in Navy to be in one of the "Leader" positions, and then you had to take refresher training every year. Of course that was 27 years ago. All the NBC Warfare Defense stuff would do me good now, as what is going on right now is what we were trained in. Just haven't got into the N & C phase yet.

But like previously mentioned, the Air Force has to deal with the Aircraft fires and crashes, etc.

Posted: 11/4/2001 10:32:25 AM EDT

[#7]

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WTF???? Too cool for the USMC????? [:D] Scout/Sniper or Force Recon[sniper]

[marines]

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? he said he wants to put out fires not start them[:D]
But not that note you guys are best at that,nobody can samsh crap like the good ol' USMC[}:D]

The Navy dose a good job too[0j]

Posted: 11/4/2001 10:33:08 AM EDT

[#8]

Navy has some firefighting training at boot camp as well as some rates such as DC (damage controlman" that have entire school dedicated to fire.

Posted: 11/4/2001 11:19:54 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
WTF???? Too cool for the USMC????? [:D] Scout/Sniper or Force Recon[sniper]

[marines]

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No flame on the U.S.M.C but they had there chance with me and they blow it big time.

Posted: 11/4/2001 11:25:15 AM EDT

[#10]

Hey A2 it is an AFSC in the AF not an MOS watch that when you get to BMT you will love Survival School instructer.
john

Posted: 11/4/2001 11:34:02 AM EDT

[#11]

Want fun?

54 Echo. Spend some time at wonderful Ft. McHellin. Just tell your recruiter you want MOS 54E, should be a nice bonus to boot, and good opportunity for advancement. You get some cool duds too. Hear the field is in critical need, good prospects once you're out as well.

Luck
Alac

Posted: 11/4/2001 11:44:28 AM EDT

[#12]

What exactly is MOS 54E? Chemical Operations Specialist or something?

Posted: 11/4/2001 12:05:26 PM EDT

[#13]

The Navy by a long shot. The air farce is too damned weak and reliant on civilian help all over the world to ever merit serious consideration for anything. As long as you're assigned to a sea-going rating (no airdale BS), you'll have the opportunity to become DC qualified aboard ship. DC is an all-hands effort and you'll more than likely be assigned to a repair locker once aboard where you'll receive PQS that'll allow you to qualify for all kinds of things to make you happy. As was pointed out earlier, there are certain [b]RATINGS[/b] ( a [b]RATE[/b] is a paygrade) that have more core DC skills as part of their day to day jobs. These would be damage controlman (DC) and hull maintenence technician (HT). However, if you're looking for excitement, be forwarned. As one of those ratings, you'll be assigned to R Division aboard ship. As a DC'man, you'll spend large parts of your days and fleet time R&R'ing fire extinguishers and performing maintenence on all kinds of DC gear (hoses, P250s, nozzles, AFFF stuff, etc.). As an HT, you'll get to weld, braze, and do a little plumbing. Both get the fascinating and glamorous task of clearing out stopped up heads, CHT (sewage) pipes and tanks, as well as the transfer of CHT. Occasionally, you'll get to train and participate in firefighting drills and draw flight pay for being on the flight deck as part of the crash and salvage crew (if selected for that item). Sound fun? Of course, I've also seen benign ratings such as store keeper (SK) as team leaders and locker leaders. You are in no way required to be in R DIV for that.

Posted: 11/4/2001 12:11:08 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Hey A2 it is an AFSC in the AF not an MOS watch that when you get to BMT you will love Survival School instructer.
john

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Thank you,I gess it will take some time to get all the names and such down.
I think I'll try to read up some more befor I end up cleaning the damn floor with my tooth brush[:D]

Posted: 11/4/2001 1:31:00 PM EDT

[#15]

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"Survival evasion"

Thats my MOS,I'll let you know how it is after I find out if you still don't know what you want.

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Survival evasion is your MOS, a2carbine???!!!!

That's a new one on me! Never heard of that MOS!

DaMan

Posted: 11/4/2001 1:41:11 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Hey A2 it is an AFSC in the AF not an MOS watch that when you get to BMT you will love Survival School instructer.
john

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I don't think ANY Armed Service has a program where you can enlist to be a SERE Instructor!

Or course the Air Force is "para-military" so anything's possible!

DaMan

Posted: 11/4/2001 4:50:33 PM EDT

[#17]

DaMan yea we are the Para military but we have the best food. And the AFSC is survival school instructor it is based out of spokane WA and you are paramedic qualified so you cant treat students if they become injured it is an enlisted position. What branch were you in??
A2 in the equipment closet there is a drop ceiling. it is the only on in the barracks, all of the floor plans are the same. you can stand on the sink to move the tiles we used to hide johnsons car wax up there and on sundays polish the floors with it instead of the issue wax. you can also hide other unauthorized cleaning suplies up ther just don't get caught.
john

Posted: 11/4/2001 5:16:34 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
DaMan yea we are the Para military but we have the best food.
john

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Yup! The best food, but obviously NO "weight control" program!

Yep, I guess there is an enlistment option in the USAF that is called SERE "Apprentice". Must be grueling training! [;)]

DaMan

Posted: 11/4/2001 6:28:30 PM EDT

[#19]

DaMan the AFSC is 1T0X1 I think your right it probably is "grueling" training. Why is it that the Air Force SPECOP's hold so many records? What branch where you in? I have seen overweight personal in all branches so for you to say that the Air Force has "obviously" no weight control program is a uneducated observation founded by what appears to be a jealous individual.

Posted: 11/4/2001 7:13:20 PM EDT

[#20]

For those who do not like the USAF. We have some hard schools both mental and physical.

USAF Survival School.

[img] http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6707/survival1.gif[/img]

[img]http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6707/survival4.jpg[/img]

MISSION, PURPOSE, AND PHILOSOPHY

Combat Survival Training is established to provide aircrews and other designated personnel procedures and techniques in the use of equipment and employment of survival principles. We believe all Air Force aircrew members, officers, and enlisted personnel are entitled to the best education and training possible to support their operational duties. In support of this, the 336th Training Group is committed to providing this training to prepare aircrew members for the eventualities of flight, to include surviving in any type of environment regardless of friendly or unfriendly conditions.

[img]http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6707/survival2.gif[/img]

Check out this link for more info and also check the side bar for PJ/CCT links.
[url]http://members.tripod.com/~thede/survsched.html[/url]
-David

Posted: 11/4/2001 7:17:24 PM EDT

[#21]

Depends on what type of firefighting you want to get into.

If it's an air port after you get out, go Air Force. The Aair Force has the planes the size of the commercial type.

If it's with the local fire dept GO NAVY! Like someone said above, the most dangerous firefighting is on board a ship!

Posted: 11/4/2001 7:19:40 PM EDT

[#22]

Every man in the navy is trained as a firefighter. I fought a rather nasty fire last year in the intel space. Kind of fun in that everyone that entered the space had to be recorded and debriefed after all was said and done. A million dollars worth of equipment went up in smoke that day.

The fulltime firefighters are called Damage Controlmen. They do all sorts of damage control other than just fighting fires.

On the flightdeck of aircraft carriers they have crash and salvage crews guys that are pulled from the Aviation Boswainmates Equipment (I think they're the ABE's).

Posted: 11/4/2001 7:41:54 PM EDT

[#23]

A Cav Scout is just someone who couldnt make it as a tanker![:D]

BKVic

Posted: 11/4/2001 9:34:18 PM EDT

[#24]

I know you are thinking being an airport fire fighter would be very cool but let me tell you a story. At the airport i work at we have not had a real aircraft fire in the last 15 years! They roll out about once a week and always to a smoke detector going off in the airport. VERY VERY boring!

Posted: 11/5/2001 2:10:13 AM EDT

[#25]

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Every Sailor is a Fireman.

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True, True. at sea there is no 911. in case of a fire you either fight it, burn or swim. 14yrs exp talking [:)>]

Posted: 11/5/2001 2:59:17 AM EDT

[#26]

Hey guys, I am a USAF fire fighter and I will tell you that as far as I'm concerned, our fire program is the best. We get a stack of NFPA backed training and certs in tech school alone including fire fighter 1&2, Hazmat awareness & operations, Airport fire fighter, first aid and CPR. After you are in for a year or two, you get Driver/operator ARFF, Pumper, and Ariel with the opertunity to go to technical rescue school. Most bases have (either on station or within driving distance)live burn trainers for large and small frame aircraft and structural facilities along with rapelling towers. Now, I will concede that fighting fire on a ship is more dangerous than your average house, but the school is virtually identical, as the Army, Navy, and USMC all go to the USAF tech school in San Angelo, TX. As a matter of fact, I had 4 Marines in my class when I went through. Overall, I'd say that 80% of the runs I go on are structural or medical in nature. So as far as practical expereance for the "real world" you will not be at a loss. If you go pararescue, and happen to wash out of the program, you may have the option to go to the fire department anyway. Just me talking.

Posted: 11/5/2001 4:25:46 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Want fun?

54 Echo. Spend some time at wonderful Ft. McHellin. Just tell your recruiter you want MOS 54E, should be a nice bonus to boot, and good opportunity for advancement. You get some cool duds too. Hear the field is in critical need, good prospects once you're out as well.

Luck
Alac

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Both the NBC and MP schools have moved to Ft. Leonard Wood, MO.

FWIW, every Army Firefighter I've seen has been a civilian. In the field, if we can't fight it ourselves, we just let it be. The Navy, obviously, doesn't have that luxury.

Incidentally, I have had numerous opportuinities to fight some pretty gnarly field fires. There is just something about mixing dry conditions and pyrotechnics that gives every soldier several opportunities to play fireman.

Adam

Posted: 11/5/2001 4:56:23 AM EDT

[#28]

The Navy conducts a large amount of flight operations requiring training in aviation type fires (remember those ships called [b]AIRCRAFT CARRIERS[/b]?). Every air farce base to which I've travelled (Tinker, Travis, Mather, McClellan, McCord, and Peterson) has used civilians for their flight support junk; i.e. civilians manning the firefighting gear, refueling, etc. They are too dependent on civilians to ever be considered serious about anything. They have "schools," but the reality is civilians handle the actual responsibilities. On the other hand, you guys run some fabulous commissaries and base clubs that the Navy never had.

Posted: 11/5/2001 7:34:26 AM EDT

[#29]

I know I don't want to go to sea and if I did I would go with the Coast Guard. I'm thinking when I get out joining the Border patrol or a P.D.

I want to do something that will be fun for the four years not hate my job like my brother in-law did.

Posted: 11/5/2001 7:38:05 AM EDT

[#30]

So you're looking at the military as a means for some all-expense paid entertainment for four years? Okay.

Posted: 11/5/2001 8:06:55 AM EDT

[#31]

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So you're looking at the military as a means for some all-expense paid entertainment for four years? Okay.

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Not only that but to give me a little job experience and to also look more favorable for what ever employer I work for when ever I get out.

Now that's the big problem I don't know what I want to do when I get out. I thought the military would be a big help to me . For the Army I have came down to two job's I like for them M.P. or Firefighter and the Air force I have 4 M.P., Firefighter, Pararescue and Survival evasion,Resist,Escape OPS.

The thing is now choosing what one I want to go in to and thinking of what one would be fun to do and yet help me the most.

Posted: 11/5/2001 8:17:58 AM EDT

[#32]

About thirty years ago I contacted Red Adair....(Of Oilwell Firefighter fame) about
working for him..the first thing he told me was that he was looking for guys with
US Navy firefighter training..especially those aboard AirCraft Carriers...He was also looking for structural engineers...and mining school/petroleum engineers...needless to say I didnt get the job...his company got the call to put out the fires in Kuwait left behind by Sadaam Hussein..

Posted: 11/5/2001 8:40:49 AM EDT

[#33]

If you want to know which service would be the best to join to become a firefighter, I'd have to say the Navy. The downside is that you'd have to join the Navy [:D]

Seriously, look at the separate service itself first. Then look within the service you want to join for the specific job. If you can't find one that you want, go through it again until you come up with a combo that will suit your needs and desires.

Also look at the career progression in those fields. I'd venture to say both the law enforcement MOS's in the Army and USAF have more positions, options, locations, schools, promotions, etc. than the other MOS's you listed. Half the experience of the military is going places and doing things.

Ross

Posted: 11/5/2001 9:03:20 AM EDT

[#34]

What about Explosive Ordinance Disposal? Is that what its called? I already have one finger put back on, so I won't miss a couple. Anybody know who to talk with about that?

Thanks,
Ice

Posted: 11/5/2001 9:35:51 AM EDT

[#35]

If you -really- want to be a firefighter you need to join up with a volunteer unit in Fairfax County VA. Teir training standards are some of the highest in the nation.

If you just want to screw around for 4-6 years and get something respectable on your resume then join USMC. You may not learn 'job skills' but you'll get self discilpline and a cool tatoo or three.

Or if you do like I did and decide that you want to screw around for a few years but don't want to join the military, join USAF.

Posted: 11/5/2001 9:41:35 AM EDT

[#36]

What about Explosive Ordinance Disposal? Is that what its called? I already have one finger put back on, so I won't miss a couple. Anybody know who to talk with about that?

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Navy EOD draws from all ratings.

The military will only give you the skills to bring you into the apprentice level at best. As for having "fun," you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Let us know when you're ready to graduate from grammar school.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:02:14 AM EDT

[#37]

SOG: 54E is NBC Specialist, after Adam_White's post talked to a local recruiter. Guess NBC has been collapsed into a single MOS, 54B. Chem Ops Specialist. So ask for 54 Bravo, you'll like it. She couldnt tell me offhand the length of AIT. It is relatively long though.

I didnt realize the school is at Ft. LW now. Hows the weather in MO in August? Just curious.

Figure any Fire Dept would jump at getting a trained NBC guy at present. Used to be civilian hazmat was biased towards industrial hazards. Ill bet thats changed. But I dont know a damn thing about Fire Depts.

Luck
Alac

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:11:39 AM EDT

[#38]

The military will only give you the skills to bring you into the apprentice level at best. As for having "fun," you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Let us know when you're ready to graduate from grammar school.

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When did I mention fun? I want to work hard, and I want it challenging. I was making a reference to the 2 guys I know on the police bomb squad that are minus fingers.

Grammar school? Sure, I thunk I passed it once, but I ain't sure.
Ice

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:15:19 AM EDT

[#39]

When did I mention fun? I want to work hard, and I want it challenging. I was making a reference to the 2 guys I know on the police bomb squad that are minus fingers.

Grammar school? Sure, I thunk I passed it once, but I ain't sure.
Ice

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That was directed to [b]tayous1[/b].

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:21:38 AM EDT

[#40]

The one bad thing about the Navy is that you only can choose your field not the job you want. That is what I was told by the recruiter. Anyway I don't like not being able to know what job I'm going to have and only knowing the field.

When I was going in to the Marines I wanted to do the firefighter there but I did not score high enough for it because the other two job in that field. They where calculating cross country flight's and checking the instrument panes on planes.

The funny thing is that I could have any mechanical job I wanted in the Marines. I was smart enough to make the tools and stuff like that but I'm to dumb to use them.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:31:35 AM EDT

[#41]

[size=6]The Marine Corps![/size=6]

I'm sorry, what was the question?

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:32:15 AM EDT

[#42]

The one bad thing about the Navy is that you only can choose your field not the job you want. That is what I was told by the recruiter. Anyway I don't like not being able to know what job I'm going to have and only knowing the field.

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The recruiter's full of shit. Sounds like he's trying to sell you on the apprenticeship training program where you're sent to the fleet as an undesignated fireman/seaman (crybaby airman don't count). The recruiter cannot tell you anything with any certainty. That's left up the detailer at MEPS. He can show you what you're qualified for and what's available when. PERIOD.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:34:24 AM EDT

[#43]

I agree with JimDandy. The recruiter can make guestimations, but he doesn't do jack but sign you in, not assign you to an area.

Jim, sorry about coming down hard, thanks for the answer.
Ice

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:39:42 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
[size=6]The Marine Corps![/size=6]

I'm sorry, what was the question?

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They got NOTHING to offer me. They wont give me what I want then I go to a place that will they had there shoot a blow it to hell.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:46:37 AM EDT

[#45]

It's also likely that you're misunderstanding the recruiter as well. The things you're asking for, the Navy doesn't have specific ratings for some of these. Your first hitch is going to be wherever the Navy needs you. If you decide to ship over and become "career oriented," then you'll have a say as to what type of duty you want. If you want law enforcement, then go with the air farce or Army. Firefighting, then go with the Navy. If you'd rather just wear a cool-looking uniform and do musclehead things, then go with those other guys.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:48:32 AM EDT

[#46]

There is no more boring job in the military than Firefighter. Most bases use civilian FFs to put out fires.

If your ultimate goal is to be a Civilian Firefighter, then join the Marines, be a grunt.
You will come out a better man.
The Fire Dept knows this.
There are many Ex-Marines in FDNY, and I assume other Depts, as well.

Never join the military to be a civilian.

Fire depts will recognize that you have leadership skills, if you are a former Marine. Leadership that they can't instill in you. Whatever firefighting skills you pick up in the service won't matter to a civilian FD. They're going to have to train you anyhow.

IF you are a good Marine, your leadership skills will serve you well in any endeavor.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:55:14 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
There is no more boring job in the military than Firefighter. Most bases use civilian FFs to put out fires.

If your ultimate goal is to be a Civilian Firefighter, then join the Marines, be a grunt.
You will come out a better man.
The Fire Dept knows this.
There are many Ex-Marines in FDNY, and I assume other Depts, as well.

Never join the military to be a civilian.

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After I get out I going to go to the U.S. Border Patrol for about 4 to 5 years. Then I can get just about any P.D. job I want. If I like the military a lot I also might stay in it.

I'd also join the Marines if there was a ground war going on right now but there's not and I don't think there is going to be one to soon anyway. But I might be wrong.

Posted: 11/5/2001 10:59:11 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
It's also likely that you're misunderstanding the recruiter as well. The things you're asking for, the Navy doesn't have specific ratings for some of these. Your first hitch is going to be wherever the Navy needs you. If you decide to ship over and become "career oriented," then you'll have a say as to what type of duty you want. If you want law enforcement, then go with the air farce or Army. Firefighting, then go with the Navy. If you'd rather just wear a cool-looking uniform and do musclehead things, then go with those other guys.

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I only talked to the Navy guy for about 30min. He told me that they worked just like the Marines in you choose a field you'd like to work in and then they will place you where they need you most.

I don't really like that at all I like to know what I'm going to do for the next four years of my life.

Posted: 11/5/2001 11:02:21 AM EDT

[#49]

Join.
These are the good ENLISTED jobs:

Infantry {recon, LAVs}
Tanks
AMTRACKs
Signals Intelligence {Radio Recon}
Counter Intelligence {Jump Billet}
Artillary {ANGLICO}

Posted: 11/5/2001 12:44:23 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Join.
These are the good ENLISTED jobs:

Infantry {recon, LAVs}
Tanks
AMTRACKs
Signals Intelligence {Radio Recon}
Counter Intelligence {Jump Billet}
Artillary {ANGLICO}

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I think I'll have to go with machine gunner. I must carry on the tradition on what grandfather and my Uncle where in the Marines. Just the said thing is that I don't think they use the M-60 any more do they?

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