What the heck is the teacher's assocation's problem with parents who home school their kids?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What the heck is the teacher's assocation's problem with parents who home school their kids? (Page 1 of 2)

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:43:10 PM EDT

You'd think they'd be happy that it would be one less kid to worry about having to teach.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:43:43 PM EDT

[#1]

They lose funding.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:44:27 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
They lose funding.

How so?

Is the funding based on per pupil status?

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:44:31 PM EDT

[#3]

Money. For every kid not in school, they lose, at least here in California, $70 per day.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:44:57 PM EDT

[#4]

It goes against the herd mentality.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:45:56 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Money. For every kid not in school, they lose, at least here in California, $70 per day.

I guess the old saying 'Follow the money' comes to mind.

Money and power.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:45:57 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
They lose funding.

+1

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:46:12 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
It goes against the herd mentality.

See the previous posters' comments about "pay-per-child" funding?

That's your answer.

TRG

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:46:29 PM EDT

[#8]

Control.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:47:27 PM EDT

[#9]

How dare you assume you can teach your child better than they can. What nerve!!! They have to protect you from yourself!!! Now fall back in line and be a good little sheeple like the rest of the world.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:47:44 PM EDT

[#10]

It is not uncommon for some schools to send ominous sounding letters to parents if their children miss more than a couple of days of school. Hits the school right in the pocket book.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:48:26 PM EDT

[#11]

Weird how I was home schooled for 7 years and we didn't get any $ back for doing so.

Bitches got to keep the $

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:48:30 PM EDT

[#12]

They're the only ones "professunal" enough to teach kids.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:49:12 PM EDT

[#13]

Yer not profushunal enough to handle teaching

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:49:33 PM EDT

[#14]

Pay-per-child

Also, it threatens their job safety.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:50:35 PM EDT

[#15]

One less child indoctrinated.

Posted: 1/22/2008 1:52:20 PM EDT

[#16]

Same reason paid firefighters hate volunteers. It's hard to demand more money, claiming the difficulty of the job, when just any schmoe can do it if they want to invest the time.

Every child that is not in the school system costs them, and reduces their influence on society.

Money and power.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:10:08 PM EDT

[#17]

It's the money........less kids less funding...........

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:13:48 PM EDT

[#18]

I believe they are tired of getting their butts kicked in the National Spelling B.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:14:58 PM EDT

[#19]

So does the school system lose money if kids are in private schools?

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:15:27 PM EDT

[#20]

You're all correct...

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:21:26 PM EDT

[#21]

They work six hours a day for half the calender year and have never stepped into the real world for five minutes as they have spent their life in schools. Who gives a shit what they think. Teachers......another thorn in my ass. The most over glorified job in America.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:22:24 PM EDT

[#22]

Because some parents try home schooling for a year or two, and then stick the kid
back in public school where they are now even farther behind...then the parents
continue to bitch about the public school failing!

- I still believe GOOD home schooling is superior, but not everybody can pull it off.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:22:29 PM EDT

[#23]

They lose money, power and the ability to indoctrinate your child.

S.O.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:24:23 PM EDT

[#24]

I teach a kid at the Kung Fu school that is home schooled. She is the most disciplined well adjusted kid I know to date. Totally turned my views around on home schooling.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:27:01 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
They lose funding.

And power.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:29:23 PM EDT

[#26]

Job security and money-per-pupil not to mention an improved image 'cause who would think that our pooblik schoolz are failing

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:35:37 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
You'd think they'd be happy that it would be one less kid to worry about having to teach.

Unions are bad, because the only way they can usually function is to be granted a monopoly right.

In this case, the Teachers' Association wants monopoly rights to teach your kids. You got a problem with that?
~

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:37:55 PM EDT

[#28]

Its hard to indoctrinate home schooled kids with marxist leninism, while feminizing them and rendering them semi literate, tv watching, drooling perpetual wards of the state who dutifully vote duhhhhhhhh democrat.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:38:48 PM EDT

[#29]

C. O. N. T. R. O. L.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:41:14 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They lose funding.

And power.

True to an extent. There are other reasons.

My wife gets irritated because in many cases as a district SPED teacher the law mandates that the district provide SPED services for students that are enrolled in private school or home schooled no matter how crippling the cost to the school. We have some arguments about this because as I see it they are still taxed so they have some right to those services but at the same time it means that she becomes responsible for the outcome of a child who she really has no way to direct the education of. I'm not sure how you address that issue fairly.

There are also a great deal of folks in the area that home-school to make it a religious bible-school and not because they can provide a better education in the fundamental skills. Her church has several of these. They are being taught 'facts' that are just laughable. There is however, a large number of teachers that feel everyone else is too stupid to be able to do this and that irritates me greatly. Lots of crap about 'socialization' and outcasts and such when it is obvious that parents that take it seriously can do far more with their kids than some brick building with 35 kids stuffed in a room.

My wife is not a member of the NEA or any other union.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:41:47 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They lose funding.

How so?

Is the funding based on per pupil status?

They say it's because they are concerned for the childs education as the parents probably have no formal teaching education/experience.

But yes, the real reason is that every school gets a certain $ amount per student from the state and federal government.

I'm close to someone who works at a school where they have an unoffical no expulsion policy because they want the max. amount of funding they can get.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:44:49 PM EDT

[#32]

The homeschooled kids have a STRONG tendency to do well academically, which points out the shortcomings of the public education system. That is a huge threat, as it provides impetus toward imposing teacher competency testing. Teachers do not want to have to be tested for competency like the rest of us. Not at all.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:46:08 PM EDT

[#33]

Because monopolies hate competition....

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:51:10 PM EDT

[#34]

the same reason mechanics don't like people who work on their own cars. job security.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:53:22 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
The homeschooled kids have a STRONG tendency to do well academically, which points out the shortcomings of the public education system. That is a huge threat, as it provides impetus toward imposing teacher competency testing. Teachers do not want to have to be tested for competency like the rest of us. Not at all.

Many teachers don't mind the competency testing if THEM, but are not to thrilled with testing students to test them. Similar to testing cavities in patients to measure the effectiveness and funding of dentists.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:54:34 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
One less child indoctrinated.

in their communist socialist propoganda machine

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:54:43 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The homeschooled kids have a STRONG tendency to do well academically, which points out the shortcomings of the public education system. That is a huge threat, as it provides impetus toward imposing teacher competency testing. Teachers do not want to have to be tested for competency like the rest of us. Not at all.

Many teachers don't mind the competency testing if THEM, but are not to thrilled with testing students to test them. Similar to testing cavities in patients to measure the effectiveness and funding of dentists.

True--and I agree with them on that, as there is no objective way to test students to test teachers, AFAIK. The teacher's unions however, do fight competency testing tooth and nail, no?

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:56:13 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
So does the school system lose money if kids are in private schools?

Somewhat, but the parent's are double paying, because you pay your taxes, and part of the school funding comes from there. And of course you pay the tuitition fees for the private school. So the teachers really don't care, because they got most of your money "up front" already in taxes.

Floppy_833: in Calif we have closed union shop for teachers. So if you want to teach, you must join the teacher's union. And the union contributes very heavily to Democratic candidates, even though you are not a Dem.

Posted: 1/22/2008 2:58:04 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The homeschooled kids have a STRONG tendency to do well academically, which points out the shortcomings of the public education system. That is a huge threat, as it provides impetus toward imposing teacher competency testing. Teachers do not want to have to be tested for competency like the rest of us. Not at all.

Many teachers don't mind the competency testing if THEM, but are not to thrilled with testing students to test them. Similar to testing cavities in patients to measure the effectiveness and funding of dentists.

True--and I agree with them on that, as there is no objective way to test students to test teachers, AFAIK. The teacher's unions however, do fight competency testing tooth and nail, no?

Yes, the NEA religiously opposes any additional testing.

Posted: 1/22/2008 3:00:06 PM EDT

[#40]

Every leftard proposed tax-increase out here is always "for the children". Every time you turn around the state and local lords are trying to kill alternative shcools which outperform the public schools by a wide margin.

Eleiminate educational choice! It's for the children!

Posted: 1/22/2008 3:02:12 PM EDT

[#41]

They work six hours a day for half the calender year

That's the part that I hate about most of them. They have jobs that only require one of the easiest college degrees but they still make more money per hour than almost any other grad when you consider short working days and the fact that they don't even have to teach half of the days of the year.

This topic came-up last summer with a couple of my family members who are recent grads. One graduated from GA Tech in EE and the other in elementary education (the other EE) from Lander (a small college in SC). The EE got a job with a great company making just under $60k. While working seven days a week, ten hours per day and considering the five days he had off, he made about $16.67/hour. His cousin made $43k in her job, and she only taught 175 (180 required days minus the five sick days she took) days. She made $40.95/hour for teaching. It's no wonder this country is in trouble when teachers make 2.5 times what an engineer from a top school makes but she still whines constantly about being underpaid.z

Posted: 1/22/2008 3:03:41 PM EDT

[#42]

lt's ~~his~~ their rice bowl.

Don't want to break nobody's rice bowl.

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:26:57 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Weird how I was home schooled for 7 years and we didn't get any $ back for doing so.

Bitches got to keep the $

Hell, I don't even HAVE kids and I pay school taxes.

AND... I was a public school teacher for crying out loud!

TRG

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:32:55 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

They work six hours a day for half the calender year

That's the part that I hate about most of them. They have jobs that only require one of the easiest college degrees but they still make more money per hour than almost any other grad when you consider short working days and the fact that they don't even have to teach half of the days of the year.

This topic came-up last summer with a couple of my family members who are recent grads. One graduated from GA Tech in EE and the other in elementary education (the other EE) from Lander (a small college in SC). The EE got a job with a great company making just under $60k. While working seven days a week, ten hours per day and considering the five days he had off, he made about $16.67/hour. His cousin made $43k in her job, and she only taught 175 (180 required days minus the five sick days she took) days. She made $40.95/hour for teaching. It's no wonder this country is in trouble when teachers make 2.5 times what an engineer from a top school makes but she still whines constantly about being underpaid.z

I'd suggest he has a job that is not anywhere near average for a professional in his 7 day a week, one week vacation job, just as I have a non-average 5 weeks of vacation and 4 weeks paid sick plus holidays.

Teachers, on average, have about 180 contract days to work that means they are present to work on those days. That works out to about 6 months of raw days. Of course we know that kids are not out of school 6 months per year.

There are 365 days per year.
Minus roughly 96 days that are weekends.
That leaves 269 workdays per year or 9 working months. So teachers are working 66% of the available work days.
Now, minus the 9 average paid holidays.
That leaves 260 work days. So teachers are working 69% of the available days after normal holidays.

Now the average professional worker has about 15 days of paid leave per year so on average they are working 245 days per year or about 8 months of working days. So the average teacher works about 73% fewer days than the average professional, 65 days, two working months.

If you are going to compare apples to apples then do so. I wouldn't argue that they work equal time but the idea that the average professional is working 12 months of time a year is bull. I do agree that they often continue complaining of pay even when in reality they are quite well compensated. Then again, most people are bitching about pay most of the time so I'd be surprised to see them as a group being content.

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:34:14 PM EDT

[#45]

Effective competition.

Period.

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:34:36 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

They work six hours a day for half the calender year

That's the part that I hate about most of them. They have jobs that only require one of the easiest college degrees but they still make more money per hour than almost any other grad when you consider short working days and the fact that they don't even have to teach half of the days of the year.

This topic came-up last summer with a couple of my family members who are recent grads. One graduated from GA Tech in EE and the other in elementary education (the other EE) from Lander (a small college in SC). The EE got a job with a great company making just under $60k. While working seven days a week, ten hours per day and considering the five days he had off, he made about $16.67/hour. His cousin made $43k in her job, and she only taught 175 (180 required days minus the five sick days she took) days. She made $40.95/hour for teaching. It's no wonder this country is in trouble when teachers make 2.5 times what an engineer from a top school makes but she still whines constantly about being underpaid.z

I wished I got paid the same as a baby-sitter. I would be rolling!

I might be the only teacher that you will ever meet that will tell you that I loved the job, and the pay was great!

I knew my hourly rate. I knew the benefits, and I never bitched about it. Sure, we all wanted more money, who doesn't?

But, the job is NOT that hard. Hell, I would not even call it work. It is about discipline, control and well... discipline.

Everything was easy after you gained the upper hand in the classroom.

TRG

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:41:12 PM EDT

[#47]

Same reason FFL's don't like you buying guns over the internet.

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:47:34 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
How dare you assume you can teach your child better than they can. What nerve!!! They have to protect you from yourself!!! Now fall back in line and be a good little sheeple like the rest of the world.

tag

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:48:49 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
They work six hours a day for half the calender year and have never stepped into the real world for five minutes as they have spent their life in schools. Who gives a shit what they think. Teachers......another thorn in my ass. The most over glorified job in America.

You know, I agree with a lot of what is being said here. There is no reason why a well-educated parent can't do a much better job of teaching than a public school teacher with a class of 30. Especially when you're mandated to give English-learners a certain number of minutes in the school day ESL instruction.

That said, your comment is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. There are a lot of great teachers out there that deserve much better than that.

Posted: 1/22/2008 4:52:14 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They work six hours a day for half the calender year and have never stepped into the real world for five minutes as they have spent their life in schools. Who gives a shit what they think. Teachers......another thorn in my ass. The most over glorified job in America.

You know, I agree with a lot of what is being said here. There is no reason why a well-educated parent can't do a much better job of teaching than a public school teacher with a class of 30. Especially when you're mandated to give English-learners a certain number of minutes in the school day ESL instruction.

That said, your comment is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. There are a lot of great teachers out there that deserve much better than that.

It's hard to rationally discuss this issue here I've noticed. The NEA has however made it's bed and now all teachers are being thrown into the bed with them by the folks with torches and pitchforks.

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