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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:17:06 AM EDT
[#1]
If they are your friends, you should have no problem, they should be happy for you.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:18:27 AM EDT
[#2]
School will never make you smarter than a guy who been doing the work for 10 years.
They will hate you and i am sure they will both find different jobs tommorow. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:21:32 AM EDT
[#3]
This is too normal. The bosses look at each individual for his or her talents and abilities, the workers often base it all on the number of times they have hit the timeclock.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:21:39 AM EDT
[#4]
Fall on your sword and let one of them have it?
No, huh? You didn't make the selection, HR/Admin did. Your buddies beef is with the boss. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:21:59 AM EDT
[#5]
I have to agree here. I would be pissed if some 5mo. rookie just passed me up for 10yrs of experience. They won't be around much longer to deal with so I really wouldn't worry about much. 
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:23:01 AM EDT
[#6]
They're mechanics, of course there will be a major bitch fest and they will hate your guts and try to back stab you until you quit or they get themselves fired.
Good luck. 
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:23:08 AM EDT
[#7]
I would think, given the fact that the OP took the time to get certified, his friends will stay friends and they'll be happy for him. Even with 10 years experience, that doesn't automatically qualify one as certified. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:23:49 AM EDT
[#8]
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach. Yeah, this is not going to go over well. Sounds like you're going to have two openings at your company. I'd be pissed if I got passed over for a FNG teacher. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:25:44 AM EDT
[#9]
They're good, you're better.
You win, they loose, its very simple. If powers that be see it that way and they picked you, good on you. Maybe they should've been better. Thier beef should be with the boss, not you. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:26:05 AM EDT
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wondered how long that would take. I left a job making 70+k a year as a tech to teach because I love it. I think I fall in the "Those that can, do" category. I've also got 14 years on the job experience in field. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:26:43 AM EDT
[#11]
They have a history there which may contain skeletons in the closets...
and you don't. Mysetry solved. Danny 
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:27:50 AM EDT
[#12]
I seriously doubt that an auto mechanics teacher is more qualified than the other two candidates. I've known trainers in my profession who have every certification imaginable. In the field, they are next to worthless. Throughout my life, I've found that the saying, "those who can do, those who can't teach" is based in truth. It seems that they may have a reason to be angry if in fact you did get the job. Try not to fall on your face.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:35:26 AM EDT
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Had that happen to a male shift supervisor who got passed over so they could put a female with less experience and the same amount of schooling into the slot above him.He had at least two or three times the hands on experience she did. He was not happy to say the least. 
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:35:44 AM EDT
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I wouldn't buy them lunch. It could be taken as a pitty gesture. Just do your job and don't gloat.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:41:37 AM EDT
[#15]
+1 IMO Unless it is normal for you all to go out to lunch together, I think this may make things worse. Give it a little time at least. They might be a little sore over it for a while, but they will get over it, or they'll leave. If they are really your friends it shouldn't be a huge problem. Just show them the respect they deserve. Don't gloat, etc. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:47:06 AM EDT
[#16]
fair enough. Never had any intention of gloating. I am just looking to smooth things over some. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:53:27 AM EDT
[#17]
At every job I've ever had, I've moved up through the ranks faster than most people with more experience/senority on the job. And I did it all without any certifications.
How? Simple: I did my job better than they did theirs, and I worked hard to rapidly improve my skills, knowledge, and experience, when other folks just wanted to go home. I've never had any problems with the folks I passed over, but my performance spoke for itself, as those "experienced" people came to me for solutions constantly. My point is that if you have the DRIVE to excell, and have at least a decent brain/common sense, many times you'll be recognized for that even if you don't have as much experience. If your boss knows that you can GET the experience, and that you'll work both hard and smart to get it, many will give you the chance over someone who may have more time but makes less effort to constantly improve and move ahead. -Troy |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:54:21 AM EDT
[#18]
Good advice, when a guy's nose is out of joint they don't percieve gestures the way they're intended. Just be the normal you and be professional. heck I wouldn't even start a conversation about it. I recall the same thing happening in one of our shops. The mech with more time with the outfit got super burned that a guy with 8 years exp. got the job when he had 14. Both were fine mech's but wouldn't even talk to eachother or pass messages regarding appointments to each other. Finally the senior guy who didn't get the job transferred to another agency. In the end he got a job with a bigger paycheck but it took the "insult" to motivate him to do it. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:01:30 AM EDT
[#19]
No, but if it were me doing the hiring, the actual hands on experience is what brings the money in the door. Not how smart someone looks on paper. But, I don't do HR. I fix things for other people. Best of luck on your new job. I have a feeling you're going to be doing it alone pretty soon. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:02:50 AM EDT
[#20]
There you go. You are certified in several areas. You have 14 years experience. If it comes down to two or three guys who do good work, the guy with more experience and certifications always gets my pick. If you take the time to learn about what you do and stay current with the field, they you are proving that you WANT to learn and better yourself. Av. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:19:27 AM EDT
[#21]
I'd wanna know why your Uncle who made the decision to promote you instead of them screwed up your payroll. Goddamnit Unc, get the paycheck straight or you aint coming over on Christmas this year!
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:20:04 AM EDT
[#22]
I'd wanna know why your Uncle who made the decision to promote you instead of them screwed up your payroll. Goddamnit Unc, get the paycheck straight or you aint coming over on Christmas this year!
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:23:08 AM EDT
[#23]
I would probably be mad if the same happened to me. In my profession I have 10 years experience and can out do just about anyone that has just gotten out of school. Hands on experience is better than a degree any day. I do not have a degree or certificate for it. Learning from a book doesn't mean squat IMO. Some employers just think that a degree means more. On paper it looks great, but as far as skill goes, can you honestly say that you know more than a guy with 10 years of experience? If you can, then good for you, you earned the job. You have the degree and the knowledge. I hope these guys will remain friends with you and do not leave their jobs, because you did not make the hiring decision. Good luck with your new job as I am sure it will help your family out.
Hopefully there is a hefty raise.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:27:27 AM EDT
[#24]
You won, they lost. You must be doing something right. Feel good about your advancment, and if the others can't take it that is their problem.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:28:35 AM EDT
[#25]
Wow so much for hands on experience! I guess if you look good on paper you can solve the worlds problems right? I worked in a Fleet Service and it's already been said about what in the real world is to be expected from the co-workers(which are no longer),,,,,seen it happen more than once BTW to the OP your HR is very unprofessional |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:32:22 AM EDT
[#26]
they need to learn to deal with it or they will have issues at every job they have.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:35:48 AM EDT
[#27]
Why don't you STFU? Igorant people really bother me. 
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:42:01 AM EDT
[#28]
So you aren't coming to work with me in Zimbabwe? |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:44:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Heh doesn't look like it. 240 day work year and no nights, weekends or holiday's. For about the same pay as the Zimbabwe job 
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:44:36 AM EDT
[#30]
That's probably the likely answer. When I was a candidate to my current job I worked in sales applying for a technical position. A machinist in the company also applied for the same position. In the end, I got it and he didn't. He had been an ass to a couple guys in management and had a bad attitude. He was pissed when I was hired instead of him, and he did his best to get revenge on me and the guy that hired me. In the end, he washed out - he quit right before they fired him because he was sandbagging on his production work and it showed up during a time study on his work area. Watch your back, and listen to others about these two guys reactions to not getting the job. They may act buddy-buddy to your face and be plotting behind your back. I would steer as clear as possible from them. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:46:20 AM EDT
[#31]
Had a similar situation once.
I had 2 years in with the commission when an Area Forester position opened up. Only two people put in for it, me and my boss. My boss had 17 years in. They gave the job to me. I had a sit-down with my old boss and basically told him "sorry; hope this won't hurt our working relationship". He said he understood, that HQ had it in for him anyway, and that he didn't hold anything against me. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:46:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:47:38 AM EDT
[#33]
I agree- business as usual. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:50:20 AM EDT
[#34]
People that bitch about getting passed over always seem to think they are living in a different world than everybody else. Which in actuality I guess they are- their own safe little cocoon. They think people should just magically throw them cookies because they've been sitting there being a good boy. They want rewarded for not fucking up, rather than actually bettering themselves. I suppose there is some problem that nobody would understand that kept them from getting certified. Like the 45,000 people that have the exact same sob story about why they couldn't ___________. Meanwhile the guy next to them had the same or similar problem but figured out a way around it or sacrificed and worked through it. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:54:09 AM EDT
[#35]
They are there that long and are only helpers? No wonder they got passed over. Sounds like they are comfortable where they are. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:58:37 AM EDT
[#36]
Resign immediately. That guilt will eat you up.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:00:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Damn, lots of people making comments about you teaching, but completely ignoring the 14 years of experience that you had prior.
Pretty typical around here, post before reading the whole thread. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:02:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Never feel bad for passing others on the ladder. If you decline a promotion, you'll never get another offer.
Don't make excuses for why you got the promotion, that'll give your buddies the opportunity to say shit like " No offense but, you aren't as Great as I am". You know the "I'm the light that shines in this place" or "Without me this place would invert into a Black Hole". Their egos will heal and everyone will move on. Keep your head up and be proud of your victory..............just keep it to yourself. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:06:37 PM EDT
[#39]
This thread is full of assholes who think that seniority means a lot.
It doesn't. My cousin was a foreman at 23. He had people under him who have spent the last 35 years not learning anything. Fuck them. The OP has more OTJ experience, and much more education. No, it hasn't made him smarter. Just better educated. And he will reap the rewards of his hard work. The most qualified candidates will continue to get jobs. The OP doesn't owe anybody. He's doing fine. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:07:21 PM EDT
[#40]
All you guys bitching about hands on vs certification, the OP said he has been on the job for FIVE months. He has proven to supervision what he is capable of doing, so . . .
unless it's a union shop . . . .Congratulations GeorgiaBII |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:22:39 PM EDT
[#41]
you have more experience is the way i read it...congrats on keeping the food on the table...buy them a nice bottle of $3 wine to drown their sorrows...oh dont forget the cheese and crackers...
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:24:19 PM EDT
[#42]
I wouldn't offer to buy their lunches w/out more info.
They might see it as you lording it over them ("Hey, look at what I can buy for you guys w/ all the extra money I'll be making at the job you [think you] should have gotten!"). If they're really your friends, this shouldn't matter and they might suggest you buy their lunch ("Hey, you oughtta at least buy us lunch w/ all the extra money you'll be making now!"). |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:09:11 PM EDT
[#43]
"Reading" is one of those skills they teach you in "school", so I am not surprised that they have difficulty with the concept. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:16:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Yes, but they have time on the job - they took 8th grade twice! |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:27:33 PM EDT
[#45]
Please re-read the OP's description of his qualifications: 14 years of field experience before he left to teach. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:18:30 PM EDT
[#46]
The Teacher bashers are amusing. The very fact that they can read and post is thanks to a teacher in their past.
Thanks for the input folks. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:27:46 PM EDT
[#47]
+1 Don't say shit about it. It'll only make it worse. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:30:47 PM EDT
[#48]
I couldn't agree more.. Buying them lunch is like slapping them in the face after they have already been pushed to the ground. They wull have sand in their manginas for sure, its human nature, they will be pissed at you, when in reality they should be pissed at the people that decided... Congratulations on the promotion. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:33:31 PM EDT
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It is pretty sad this thread interest me. My father sarted out as a mechanic for a chevy dealership, 15 years after that he was the service manager....10 years after that he landed a job at a local highschool teaching auto. Hes still making the the same base of 70k with the masters pay that they gave him for his experience, but only working 10 months of the year. In the 8 years he has been teaching hes been to the state contest 6 years wining it 2 times going to the nationals in DC.(its a test both written and hands on, on car repair) |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:35:56 PM EDT
[#50]
+1 |
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