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Posted: 10/11/2007 9:26:49 AM EDT
What a stupid twat.
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301216,00.html |
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bwa hahahah. I don't recall ever having to run off any atheists who want to pass out their version of Chick tracts. I also don't seem to recall any atheist driven crusades or inquisitions. I've seen communist governments purge religion and install themselves as a form of religion, but that was more driven by a desire for consolidated power rather than a true lack of belief in a god. Communist governments hate competition-so do church leaders. Hell, you could draw a closer parallel to the Roman Catholic church during the dark ages and the rule of Stalin than most would probably be comfortable with. |
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I think the sigline says all that needs to be said about Mr. Deutsch.
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Honestly? I think she was wrong to say we ALL need to be Christians. That's a little silly. Heck, getting out of a church parking lot after a long sermon will remind her that we don't all get along 100%, even Christians! But read the transcript. She was totally goaded by Deutschbag. |
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They be tired? |
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What's with the laughing? You confirmed my point. PS: Athiests have taken over the media, they don't need chick tracks (man those things are disgusting). |
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If you've ever attended a church service where Messianic Jews are in attendance (Jews that have become Christians and have accepted that Christ is indeed their Saviour), you will often hear them refer to themselves as "completed jews."
Coulter's use of the term was somewhat twisted and can easily be seen as offensive, but I think that had she offered a better explanation of the position that Messianic Jews take it might have been better understood. Not necessarily have been well received by Donnie Deutsch or any other Jewish person, but at least it would have added some much needed context. Like so much of what she says, it's delivered in that elitist and condescending fashion that tends to overshadow what her larger point actually was. |
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well after 2000 years, maybe you should give up waiting for your messiah, admit that JC is the man, and hop on the winning team... |
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So what? Its a theological position common to the conservative strains of all western religion. She didn't say she hates Jews, she said she thinks Christianity is the most correct religion, and ergo the world would be better if all people belonged to it.
Conservative Christians believe that theirs is the one true path. Liberal Christians are more universal. Same for Judaism and Islam. |
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Jews find prosthelitizing offensive. Jews don't do it. Jews do not actively seek new converts. If someone wants to convert, it must come from within and they must ask. |
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I wasn't aware that atheists had taken over anything. I thought the liberals had the media... |
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I only know one Jew, and he is a "salt of the earth" kind of dude. Why do people have a hard on for Jews?
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And I've never understood why. I've had people prosthelitize me and it never bothered me. |
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She needs to eat a fucking cheesburger now and again...But yeah, a ball gag will do wonders for her personality. |
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There are many many purported reasons, but the common denominator is that "they" is not us. |
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so that's the official term for having your prostate checked... |
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Shrug. This is news to who, exactly? AFAIK, all evangelical Christians believe that EVERYONE, Jews included, need to convert and accept Christ as their savior in order to be saved.
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1st commandment. Thou shalt have no god before me. For a Jew, the argument ends there. Even the Jewish Messiah will be a messenger of God, but not a diety. |
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Perfect people don't need to use profane language to get their point across, <Personal attack removed. --tbk1>. |
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Read more history. There are people who were so successfully persecuted that they are no longer here to complain about it. |
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You know JW, I think you just nearly perfectly captured the Jewish perspective on the issue. I couldn't have put it better. |
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Why might that be? Like the Muslims, they seem to have a unique inability to get along without pissing off the majority of whichever country they happen to be living in at the time. I don't know WHY that is, but if you look at history, Jews have been run out of more countries than any other single group of humans. Why is that? I have never been able to get anyone to explain that to me, and I have gone to shul with friends before and asked their rabbi. |
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You're either agreeing with me, or your sarcasm/smartassery detector needs calibration... |
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Not for a hundred years and not in this country. All prosthelitising means in 2007 in America is "I disagree with you about religion." If we want to talk ancient history all three major western religions can find times and places where they were persecuted. |
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Coulter is correct. BTW, Israel and the Jews have no greater friends than Christians in the US.
She is only repeating the words of two of the world's greatest Jews - Jesus of Nazareth and Saul of Tarsus. "Intolerant" is the word that the other side uses when they face people with strong convictions. BTW, you are much more likely to be killed, injured, robbed or assaulted by someone who does not follow Christ than by someone who does. Very few people who take the message of Christ Jesus to heart ever go to jail or prison. Mostly it is the irreligious. |
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Because of a belief in a single god. Not a trinity, not JC, not the gods of Egypt. One. |
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They don't piss me off. YMMV. |
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At this point, I'm not sure what I meant either. |
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I think what Coulter was getting at was not that Christians are perfect, but that the Christian perspective of the Jewish faith is that it is half of the Walnut. Christ is the other half of the Walnut.
I say that because anyone who's spent any length of time in a Christian church is painfully aware that Christians are no more "perfected" as a group than any other identifiable group on the planet. Not that Coulter's intentions will matter to anyone screeching about this.... |
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Understand, you are dealing with a religion that is 5 thousand years old. saying a hundred years is talking about very recent history. I can trace my personal ancestry back a verrrrry long way and still know its older than that. |
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I don't know any perfect people, christian or not.
I thought the whole point of christianity is that we are not perfect. Don't christians believe that there is only one perfect person? I have heard jews say equally scornful things about christianity, but whether it is a chrisitan or a jew or an athiest spouting such nonsense, they are still all making assess out of themselves. The only difference is that Ann Coulter has perfected the art of being an ass, and making money out of it. |
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They don't piss me off either. Israelis, on the other hand, piss me off regularly....but I am (despite the constant AIPAC propaganda) able to make the distinction between Jews and Israelis. |
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Er....BTK was a leader in his church. Warren Jeffs was THE leader of his. Prisons are full of religious folks. Not saying that following the 10 commandments is a bad thing to do, but being an atheist does not automatically make you into a bad, immoral person. |
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Irrelevant. If you are mad about someone disagreeing with you on religion because of what someone else did 100 years ago on a different continent then you are being unreasonable. |
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Do you really think that's the reason? The best hypothesis I could come up with is the whole "WE are God's chosen people" thing. That seems to be a more likely explanation for why non-Jews get irritated with them. Of course, it's just as irritating when Muslims or Catholics do it. |
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I'm not a Christian or a Jew, but any true believing member of any faith would be obligated to answer the question in a similar way to how it was answered by Coulter.
IMAGINARY CONVERSATION: Me: Would the world be a better place if everyone was a Jew? Jewish guy: Ummm, well, uh... Me: Is Judaism the truest interpretation of the word of God? Jewish guy: I believe it is.... Me: Well wouldn't the world be better off if everyone subscribed to the true word of God? Jewish guy: It would. Me: So the world would be better off if everyone was a Jew? Jewish guy: I guess so. If you really believe in your religion, and really believe it is the truest word of God, how could you not think other people would be better off if they believed the same way? |
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We are discussing religion. Nothing about it is expected to be reasonable. |
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She is being sarcastic to show how intolerant the media is when it comes to Christianity as opposed to other religions like the ROP.
She is floating an extremist christian idea out so the hypicrital journalist will bash it all about contrasting that to how they typically defend the extremist values of the ROP, she is counting on the viewer to have enough brains to pick up on this but obviously not all do. Coulter is genius and routinely uses this tactic. |
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Oh wow. |
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Then why should Ann be condemned because someone else wants to be unreasonable? |
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Simple: you can't. But applying that logic and reason isn't permitted. Obviously if you say that you think that people would all be better off if they were Christians what you mean is that you are bundling fagots to burn unbelievers that don't convert. It's completely impossible to hold the idea that your beliefs are the best way to go and yet hold that opinion peacefully and without causing injury to anyone. |
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exactly +1 |
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Well in his defense what he was getting at was: If she had a 2 million man army, nuclear weapons and a REAL way to persue her warped vision to convert the US to Christianity and the world for that matter thats exactly what would happen. Look at the 30 year war for instance or even WW2. Without just her "Book" and talk show babble, thats exactly what would happen. And i mean Come on. If you were Muslim and someone was telling you to be Christian, and Christians are more perfect just because they're a different "better" religion than you are, how could you not be offended. |
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thats debatable. Ask Native Americans about persecution. As far as
what do you expect, every religion thinks that all the other religions are wrong. christians believe jc is the son of god, you think they are wrong. (disclaimer - I am not christian or jewish) |
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I can't personally think of something that pisses off mouthy "Christians" more than when they can't convince you that they're right. |
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