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Posted: 10/20/2001 7:29:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: And please pass his personal information to the Judge Advocate General. Please see the following page for justification: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=62209&page=4[/url] Please ban me, if you feel that this is inappropriate. I do not. made it red [:D] *edited to add my disgust and agreement that this traitor and coward should be banned. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 7:51:40 PM EDT
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Thanks, Spooky. I effed up. I also said, "please" when I should have demanded.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 7:58:43 PM EDT
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i'd like to add my disgust as well.
This jackass has commited the ultimate insult to the members of this board. I don't know if banning is in order or not but something should be done for sure. MIke |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:06:56 PM EDT
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I don't think he should be banned at all.
If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:08:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. Horseshit. He isn't "standing up for what he believes in," he's worried about saving his ass. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:10:32 PM EDT
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You can call him a chickenshit to your heart's content, but when did we start removing people whose politics we don't like?
I could have sworn that was one of the things we objected to here. Or is that only when we agree with the people whose opinions are being supressed? |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:10:38 PM EDT
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Don't feed the troll.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:11:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-] |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:13:32 PM EDT
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I am not impugning his politics. I am disgusted with his refusal to stand by his oath, which is the SAME oath I took when I enlisted in the Marine Corps, and when I took my warrant as a Midshipman.
He has every right to be a coward, but NOT in the Armed Forces of the United States. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:16:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. Civilian cowards have the right to refuse to go, but military cowards do not have that right. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:18:06 PM EDT
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By the way, "hypocrit" (sic) is spelled with an "e". Also, my regards on choosing such an apt screen name.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:18:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: You can call him a chickenshit to your heart's content, but when did we start removing people whose politics we don't like? I could have sworn that was one of the things we objected to here. Or is that only when we agree with the people whose opinions are being supressed? Are you really that big of an idiot? This has nothing to do with his "politics". It has to do with the fact that he is breaking his oath as a soldier. By doing so he has demonstrated a complete lack of credibility and honor. This coward accepted 30k of your tax payer dollars then looks us all in the face and says "Fuck you i ain't going". I don't expect anyone to want to go into combat. I'd be afraid of anyone that enjoyed it. BUT, I EXPECT a soldier to go to the front if so ordered. It is not only their job but the debt each one of us owes this country. mike |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:23:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: You can call him a chickenshit to your heart's content, but when did we start removing people whose politics we don't like? I could have sworn that was one of the things we objected to here. Or is that only when we agree with the people whose opinions are being supressed? Doesn't this sound all touchy feely and leftist! He signed a contract and swore and oath to follow orders. He is in the military, in case you missed that. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:23:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. This is obviously someone with zero military background. As a soldier you have no rights as such. You fall under the UCMJ. You are esentially Gov. Property. As a "volunteer" soldier he does not have the Right to refuse a lawful order or stand up for anything. The military is nothing like civillian life. mike |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:23:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. I am not in the least surprised by this quote....since it came from the same guy who doesn't believe in the flag or the Pledge of Allegiance. But Floater was right about one word.....Hypocrat. Edited to add that I was not refering to kpec308 as being a hypocrate Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1014200130930PM0.1798059.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:24:53 PM EDT
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We have to stop being so PC around here.
The president said "your either with us or your with the terrorists" theres no in-between. Kramrd is not with us. BAN HIM AND ANY SYMPATHIZERS |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:26:23 PM EDT
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Sgt: He was referring to me when he meant to call me a hypocrite. I hope that you do not agree with that? [;D] If you agree, that's OK, as I sure as heck am not perfect...
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:27:05 PM EDT
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Not sure what to make of it all but its possible that he only objects to doing dentistry on the front. If I'm going to be at the front I'd prefer an M4 and a platoon around me to taking care of wounded a half mile from the action any fucking day. And it defies logic to be doing dentistry within shooting range of the enemy. I don't believe he's saying he's a coward but that there are risks and unnecessary risks and that this is one of the later. I wouldn't mind being a doc for a spec ops unit or such, though.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:31:43 PM EDT
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C'mon, Doc! He gave an OATH which he is saying that he would refuse to stand by! AND he's an OFFICER for Christ's sake!!!
What part of COWARD don't you understand? At the very least, he should have his commission revoked! |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:33:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Not sure what to make of it all but its possible that he only objects to doing dentistry on the front. If I'm going to be at the front I'd prefer an M4 and a platoon around me to taking care of wounded a half mile from the action any fucking day. And it defies logic to be doing dentistry within shooting range of the enemy. I don't believe he's saying he's a coward but that there are risks and unnecessary risks and that this is one of the later. I wouldn't mind being a doc for a spec ops unit or such, though. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:34:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-] HOWEVER, he still BELIEVES in NOT fighting. THEREBY standing up for what he believes in. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:34:48 PM EDT
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i think his post stated he would not go to the front period. What he posted sound like he would not go under any circumstance regardless of the job. He is a coward plain and simple.
I beleive if he thought we had misinterpreted his post he would have responded. But apparently he has problems facing us as well as the enemy. Actually he'd be better off if the enemy got him. mike |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:35:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. I am not in the least surprised by this quote....since it came from the same guy who doesn't believe in the flag or the Pledge of Allegiance. But Floater was right about one word.....Hypocrat. Sgtar15 [img]http://imagem.webphotos.iwon.com/1000017294/1000017294_1014200130930PM0.1798059.jpg[/img] I believe in the flag, just I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to feel obligated to pledge allegiance to it, or prance around with one on my car. THAT is what I believe in. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:37:31 PM EDT
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Ban this fucker!!
What a fucking piece of shit opportunist. Sure it looks good on paper, when it suits his needs. But when the SHTF he tries to rationalize being a coward, a traitor, and an all around douchebag. Sorry motherfucker, but you don't just sign a contract with Uncle Sam and then back out on it. Usually I'd never vote to ban someone. But this doesn't have to do with free speach. It has to do with whether we want someone around here who isn't a man of his word. Someone who could also lie to us here, and be a liablitly. I'm sorry, but I have a problem with people who don't live up to their word. And this guy obvioulsy doesn't. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:38:16 PM EDT
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I would have quoted it, but I can't find the post regarding my name.
It is the name of a band that was around locally a few years ago. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:40:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-] HOWEVER, he still BELIEVES in NOT fighting. THEREBY standing up for what he believes in. Sorry floater, he took the money and benefits cuz he believed he could take them and not have to fullfil his military obligation. So he's a CHEAT and a COWARD !! Your circleing the bowl on this one floater and its time to flush......BAWHOOOOSH !!!! |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:40:46 PM EDT
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direct quote from kramrd
Anyway, after joining the reserves it was also my understanding that I could be deployed overseas like in desert storm... fine. I dont mine doing dentistry in a tent and best case I could remain back here in the states to back-fill the slots for those who do go overseas. If I went overseas, I'm cool with the fact that my tent could be hit by a SCUD... I got my SGLI. BUT, and this is a big BUT! I recently found out that IF a dentist was deployed, they assemble into "Forward Teams"... you dont actually go behind enemy lines but a dentist and 2 assistants go forward to set up a supporitve unit. In WAR dental augments medical. This is where I draw the line... I'm just a dentist and WILL NOT go to the front... that aint what I signed on to do! YES, I'm willing to die for my country should an incoming missle hit base camp or the aircraft carrier that I'm on.. but I sure as Heck aint gonna put my ass intentionally in a ringer. I signed on to fix teeth. That's my story. IF ordered to the front, I intend to refuse. I'll face UCMJ then go back to my cushy state job or go back into private practice once they send me home." where does this say he only doesn't want to fix teeth at the front? Sounds to me like he won't go period. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 8:43:03 PM EDT
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I signed on to fix teeth. That's my story. IF ordered to the front, I intend to refuse. I'll face UCMJ then go back to my cushy state job or go back into private practice once they send me home." or after you get out of Levenworth |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:00:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think he should be banned at all. If anything commended for standing up for what he believes in. He believes in not going to the "front lines", so he is standing up for it. Why do we stand up for the Second Amendment? Because we believe in it. Hypocrit. BULLSHIT !!! He signed on to get the bonus and the benefits and says he will refuse to fight if needed. Thats not standing up for something, it's being a greedy friggin COWARD !!! [-!-] HOWEVER, he still BELIEVES in NOT fighting. THEREBY standing up for what he believes in. Sorry floater, he took the money and benefits cuz he believed he could take them and not have to fullfil his military obligation. So he's a CHEAT and a COWARD !! Your circleing the bowl on this one floater and its time to flush......BAWHOOOOSH !!!! He may be a cheat and a coward, but he is still STANDING UP FOR WHAT HE BELIVES IN! I am in NO WAY defending WHAT he believes in, I am however defending him in the fact that he IS standing up for what he believes in!!!! |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:04:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Damn, Floater. Edit out some of those quotes.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:07:03 PM EDT
[#31]
Floater--Kramrd:
Your either with us or your with the terrorists. What part of that don't you understand? Ban them both. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:08:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Floater, if this is what he really believes in, he would have never joined the military. He is a coward. He signed up for the benefits and the free ride and when it came time to do his duty, he wants to bail. He is the hypocrite and he is a coward. This is not about what he believes in. He doesn't want to help wounded soldiers and that is the ultimate cowardice.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:08:22 PM EDT
[#33]
floater
you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:08:45 PM EDT
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All I can say is I hope it ain't so.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:08:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Floater--Kramrd: Your either with us or your with the terrorists. What part of that don't you understand? Ban then both. Holy jesus christ! We don't agree with the majority.. better ban us!!!! edit: looks like you need to do some more reading on this thread... then you'll see where I stand. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:11:11 PM EDT
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Just want to add that kramrd doesn't need anyone to defend him but himself. He is the one that needs to address this on his behalf. Oh course i doubt he will ever have the balls to post here again under that name.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:12:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: floater you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice. You are missing MY point. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he is ordered to do, does do, or doesn't want to do. He could be giving a horse a blow job, for all I care. If that is what he believes in doing, as long as he is not harming that horse, FINE BY ME. However, he obviously DOES believe in NOT going over to fight, and he is resisting it. THAT is the SOLE reason I am praising him! He IS standing up for what he believes in. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:13:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Yeah, read Floater's initial post again.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:13:33 PM EDT
[#39]
Floater, you still here?
At least Kramrd has been shamed into not posting again. The bottom line is your backing a coward and your against the flag. I know why you picked the name Floater: Your like that turd that won't flush. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:22:29 PM EDT
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i'm also kinda shocked that there aren't more members posting here. I guess duty honor and country don't mean anything anymore.
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Hey floater,
Janet reno believes in burning innocent women & children ALIVE!!! I suppose that's just fine with you too. [:(!][:(!][:(!] ColtShorty GOA KABA COA JPFO SAF NRA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them." |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:27:16 PM EDT
[#42]
HEY GUYS!
Floater has a point. He's trying to let everybody know he's an idiot and anti-American just like kramrd. Please allow him to make his point. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:28:46 PM EDT
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The following is an evolving series or rules for conduct on the forums. All moderators feel free to modify and/or contribute to them. CONDUCT GUIDELINES 1) No racial slurs or comments. 2) No inappropriate pictures. (Nudity is acceptable if it is linked and preceded by a warning.) This means simple adult nudity. If you have to think about posting a picture, then it's a good bet you SHOULD NOT POST IT. This also includes linking porn sites to the boards. There are millions out there..we don't need to link them here.Striker 01/10/15 3) Threats of violence against another member written in a serious manner. (If its a joke, make sure that point is VERY clear.) 4) No pissing matches. Its fine to disagree, but once a thread has run its course, and degenerated into little more than an insult fest, it will be locked. While this WILL require a judgment call by the Mods, the board members can keep our moderating to a minimum by exercising a little discretion and self- control. AR15.com is intended as a home for ALL AR15 owners, where ALL civil, productive and positive discussions are encouraged. Anything not meeting these objectives will be stopped. (added by garandman - 06/15/2001) 5) Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another will lead to account suspension and banning. This is in direct reference to items offered for sale, trade, or leading someone on as a buyer. (Backing out of a deal is one thing, stringing someone along to torture them is not.) This also applies to people posting fabricated lies about another user or business. If you have a real issue, discuss it, but don't make up lies because you're upset with someone. (added by goatboy - 07/07/2001) 6) Pure trolling. Either to piss someone off or simply for your personal enjoyment. If you're here to cause trouble, it will be a very short stay. Any of these violations will lead to your account being suspended. This is not the US Court Systems, you get one chance. -- GB I'll keep this simple. He abided by the above rules, so he stays. You can ignore his future posts, troll on his posts etc., but I see no violation of board policy, and thus no reason to be banned. Am I on his side? No, I'm disappointed in his words, especially from a long time member of this board (and the old board). I wish he didn't feel the way he does, but I support his continued membership on this board, no matter what my personal opinion of him is now. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:30:20 PM EDT
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I don't want kramrd banned. I want him here so we can talk some sense into him. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:31:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: floater you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice. You are missing MY point. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he is ordered to do, does do, or doesn't want to do. He could be giving a horse a blow job, for all I care. If that is what he believes in doing, as long as he is not harming that horse, FINE BY ME. However, he obviously DOES believe in NOT going over to fight, and he is resisting it. THAT is the SOLE reason I am praising him! He IS standing up for what he believes in. I REPEAT, he is NOT standing up for what he believes. If he really believes what he is saying, he would not have joined the military. He is just a COWARD, plain and simple. When you join the military, you do NOT have the right to 'stand up for what you believe'. You follow orders. That is part of being in the military. He just wanted the free ride and is now chickening out. He VOLUNTEERED for the Army, there is NO DRAFT! It's that SIMPLE!!! He is not being noble, he is being cowardly. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:32:52 PM EDT
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5) Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another will lead to account suspension and banning
Hmmmmmmm..... he defrauded tax payers out of 30,000.00 dollars. Does that count? |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:34:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: The following is an evolving series or rules for conduct on the forums. All moderators feel free to modify and/or contribute to them. 6) Pure trolling. Either to piss someone off or simply for your personal enjoyment. If you're here to cause trouble, it will be a very short stay. Any of these violations will lead to your account being suspended. This is not the US Court Systems, you get one chance. -- GB I'll keep this simple. He abided by the above rules, so he stays. You can ignore his future posts, troll on his posts etc., but I see no violation of board policy, and thus no reason to be banned. Am I on his side? No, I'm disappointed in his words, especially from a long time member of this board (and the old board). I wish he didn't feel the way he does, but I support his continued membership on this board, no matter what my personal opinion of him is now. Maybe number 6 is what his original post is about. It worked. |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:34:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: 5) Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another will lead to account suspension and banning Hmmmmmmm..... he defrauded tax payers out of 30,000.00 dollars. Does that count? That's just for ONE year. How long has he been in? |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:34:45 PM EDT
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Jesus Christ, pretty soon sounds like we'll have a group hug and forget about it all.
Goddamn, wheres the patriotism? |
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Posted: 10/20/2001 9:40:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: floater you are still missing the point. He is a commisioned officer in the us army. He does not have any right to disobey an order for combat. Plain and simple. If lawfully ordered to go he has no choice. You are missing MY point. Frankly, I don't give a shit what he is ordered to do, does do, or doesn't want to do. He could be giving a horse a blow job, for all I care. If that is what he believes in doing, as long as he is not harming that horse, FINE BY ME. However, he obviously DOES believe in NOT going over to fight, and he is resisting it. THAT is the SOLE reason I am praising him! He IS standing up for what he believes in. I REPEAT, he is NOT standing up for what he believes. If he really believes what he is saying, he would not have joined the military. He is just a COWARD, plain and simple. When you join the military, you do NOT have the right to 'stand up for what you believe'. You follow orders. That is part of being in the military. He just wanted the free ride and is now chickening out. He VOLUNTEERED for the Army, there is NO DRAFT! It's that SIMPLE!!! He is not being noble, he is being cowardly. Beliefs can change, can they not? |
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