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Posted: 10/6/2007 6:15:59 PM EDT
newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2007/10/06/cnn-pushes-gun-control-philadelphia-blames-concealed-carry-murder Related story...
www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2007/10/philly-gunning-for-more-control.html |
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People are the problems not the guns.
Guns don't walk down the street and shoot at babies. It takes someone with the intent to kill someone to do that. Ignorance kills. Drugs are illegal yet the streets are flooded with them. Prostitution is illegal yet there are hookers. Theft is illegal yet there thieves. Punish the people doing the crimes not the objects they are using. Max |
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So here's my question....
How many of these crimes have been committed by people who were issued a concealed carry permit? I mean, if concealed carry is worrying officials, clearly there has to be a concrete reason like a bunch of CHL holders running around shooting people willy nilly, right? I mean, if we're going to get our panties in a twist about the ability of law abiding citizens to pack a weapon for self defense then there has to be some numbers demonstrating that this spike in violence they are experiencing is the result of formerly law abiding CHL holders using their CHL powers for all sorts of nefarious deeds. Otherwise the people complaining would be giant bed wetting pole smoking assclowns whose objection to people with CHLs is based on icky feelings and deranged fantasy.....and we all know that nobody could manage to achieve real power or be responsible for public safety if they were bed wetting pole smoking assclowns, right?
If they are being "passed out like candy" then clearly there is some sort of criminal issue here that we can document. How many prohibited persons were issued a CHL? How many CHL holders have committed violent crimes with their permitted weapons? If overturn of the assault weapons ban and an increase in the number of people carrying concealed handguns are really causing Philly to become a cesspool of violence, a simple search of arrest records should easily turn up all the horrific instances of violence the CHL holders are responsible.... And yet no citation of any of that is provided. Makes one wonder, doesn't it? Furthermore, this is puzzling:
So let me get this straight....people who are issued CHL's (29,000) are a dire concern to city officials because permits to carry a gun are handed out "like candy"...but the very same officials want to put out a 10,000 man "volunteer" force to "patrol the city's most violent neighborhoods." What sort of background check would this 10,000 man volunteer force be subject to? Would it be more or less stringent than the background check for a CHL? If 29,000 people carrying a gun scares city officials, why wouldn't 10,000 people doing the job police officers are supposed to do not worry them? What if 10,000 of Philly's CHL holders decided to organize on their own and patrol the city's most violent neighborhoods...would that be worrisome to police officials? If so, why would it be any more worrisome than the 10,000 man volunteer force discussed? At what point is it appropriate for citizens to take the matter of enforcing the law into their own hands? Further, if we concede that you want a 10,000 man volunteer force to try and combat crime because the police seem unable to stop it on their own, admitting that police are overwhelmed by the crime problem because there just aren't enough of them to be where they are needed all the time, why the objection to law abiding citizens who pass a thorough background check having ready access to a means of self defense equivalent to what police officers are issued? Now folks, I'm not a reporter, and I'm not a reporter mainly because I have useful skills in life, but it seems to me that questions like the ones I am asking here would be pretty damned obvious to anyone with an IQ north of 30. |
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No, shitbag, it's called a straw-fucking-purchase and if you sold it to someone who can't legally possess a firearm then you get 10 years in Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for each illegal sale. I guess that little bit of federal law is too inconvenient for his hit-piece on private firearms ownership, so he swept it under the rug. Assclown.
I see no problem here.
Again, where the hell is the problem? |
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Its never the murdering thug with the lengthy arrest record who's to blame.
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SOCMOB |
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By reading the story you would think that a bunch CHL holders were the ones that robbed the armored car.
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Entire post quoted - for posterity. JW's post above is the best refutation of this sort of dishonest and unethical journalism I've seen in a while. The article is the usual tripe, but JW, your response above is a great critique. |
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In phily, criminals in possesion of a gun, carrying without a permit or robbing a store with a gun recieve ANGER MANAGEMENT classes or prohbation.
Maybe that has something to do with their crime rate. |
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FUCK Constant Negative News
they're supposed to REPORT the news, not make it up. asswipes |
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Only the truly stupid Dems are trying to make it an election issue. The rest (including most of the candidates themselves) are doing their very best to avoid even mentioning it. |
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Okay, it's time for another my infamous rants. I am PISSED.
Well, that got my blood pressure up. |
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Fuck yes. I'm out of Dr. Pepper, none of the stores in my area (and I mean NONE) have it in stock, and I'm frigging pissed. |
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Ahhh, that explains it. |
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^^^
+1 that's what my tag was for I'm always amazed how disingenuous these anti-gun bureaucrats are... Blaming Philly's problems on ccw!!?? Puuuuuhleeeeaaaze |
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What, you were waiting for me to rant again? |
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They will blame shit on flies next.
Oh, wait, they have tried to blame fat people on Mc Donalds. |
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Reading this bullshit enrages me. How the fuck can some people be SO stupid?
I hope these fucks get shot. |
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Oh what sweet irony that would be. Kind of like Sarah Brady and lung cancer. |
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We are neck deep in guns here in West Texas but our little old city has experienced only 14 murders this year. Not bad for a city of 600,000 sitting right next door to Mexico. Now if we scale our population to Phillys then we would experience something like 30 murders vs their 300+. Wonder what accounts for that difference.
BTW the local city police department is some 300 plus officers short yet they get the job done. |
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I"m sick of "the blame game". Let's blame an inanimate object for all the crime thats going on. Or let's blame the gun manufacturers for making a dangerous and murderous weapon.
Whenever I come across a liberal with this mentality, I piss them off with "flies cause garbage like guns cause crime". |
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Yeah, maybe criminals with obey the next gun law. |
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definitely hoping for a good rant |
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According to their reasoning, the violent crime rate could be blamed on the high number of Democrats.
On another note and somewhat more calming: What a wonderful world. |
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The commies have been after PA for years as our gun rights laws and CCW are much stronger than most surrounding states in the NE. The Communist News Network will never tell you that nearly no one in Philly is willing to help the police bring the shooters to justice...
It's the old "nobody saw nothing" in the city of "brotherly love," and I'd bet it's the same shooters and gang bangers partaking in the violence. You will never hear the media say Philly has a gang problem, or that Philliy's citizens won't cooperate with the police. They'd rather carry on with their anti-gun hysteria and condition the masses with their propaganda nonsense. |
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Amazing how these dumbasses fall for this crap.
That philly police cheif is calling for gun control, but will be nowhere to be found if some scumbag tries to kick in your front door. |
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Now that is a very quotable quote. |
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Oddly enough, CNN used an indicted Democrat as their pro-gun foil, a state senator who once called the NRA "hogs."
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no no, the tag was for the rant you already did... bad wording i guess
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Shut up and go find me another article to tear apart, peon! |
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