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Posted: 8/17/2007 12:07:53 PM EDT

Only the Dutch could come up with something like this.

Warning, this article may cause SEVERE headache.

Dutch Bishop wants Christians to call God 'Allah'

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Haviv Rettig, THE JERUSALEM POST Aug. 16, 2007

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"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will call God 'Allah'?" asked Bishop Martinus Petrus Maria Muskens in an interview on Dutch TV this week. "God doesn't care what we call him."

Muskens, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the southern Dutch town of Breda, is known for previous controversial remarks suggesting the poor should steal bread and advocating the use of condoms to control the spread of AIDS.

As quoted by Radio Netherlands, three decades ago, when serving as a missionary in Indonesia, "someone like me ... prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa [Almighty God] for eight years and other priests [did so] for 20 or 30 years. In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can't we start doing that together?"

The bishop further noted that in Arabic-speaking regions, Christians speak of "Allah" as Westerners might speak of "Lord," and indeed were using the term in Aramaic before the rise of Islam.

But why the need for the switch now?

"If Muslims and Christians address God with the same name, this contributes to harmonious living between both religions," read a statement on the Web site of the Breda Diocese.

The diocese is careful to note that "the idea of calling God 'Allah' in the Catholic liturgy in the Netherlands has not been discussed as a component of diocesan policy, or as a policy of the Dutch [Catholic] Church."

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IBF MrClean4Hire posts "They are winning"

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:10:51 PM EDT

[#1]

nevermind

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:10:56 PM EDT

[#2]

This will end well.

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:11:46 PM EDT

[#3]

Light has no concord with darkness.

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:11:48 PM EDT

[#4]

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:17:04 PM EDT

[#5]

yesterdays news

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:17:57 PM EDT

[#6]

Along with the new world order comes the new world religion.

GR

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:18:42 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
yesterdays news

Damn, it is a dupe,

http://www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=608438

But mine has the FatMcNasty approved title.....

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:19:35 PM EDT

[#8]

"In the last days, good will be called evil and evil good."

Didn't C.S. Lewis' Narnia Chronicles (a Christian allegory) have, in the last book, a bunch of guys based off of arabs who worshipped a god named Tash, and someone tricked all the guys who followed Aslan by saying they were the same, they called them Tashlan, etc.?

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:19:54 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Only the Dutch could come up with something like this.

Warning, this article may cause SEVERE headache.

Dutch Bishop wants Christians to call God 'Allah'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Haviv Rettig, THE JERUSALEM POST Aug. 16, 2007

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will call God 'Allah'?" asked Bishop Martinus Petrus Maria Muskens in an interview on Dutch TV this week. "God doesn't care what we call him."

Muskens, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the southern Dutch town of Breda, is known for previous controversial remarks suggesting the poor should steal bread and advocating the use of condoms to control the spread of AIDS.

As quoted by Radio Netherlands, three decades ago, when serving as a missionary in Indonesia, "someone like me ... prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa [Almighty God] for eight years and other priests [did so] for 20 or 30 years. In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can't we start doing that together?"

The bishop further noted that in Arabic-speaking regions, Christians speak of "Allah" as Westerners might speak of "Lord," and indeed were using the term in Aramaic before the rise of Islam.

But why the need for the switch now?

"If Muslims and Christians address God with the same name, this contributes to harmonious living between both religions," read a statement on the Web site of the Breda Diocese.

The diocese is careful to note that "the idea of calling God 'Allah' in the Catholic liturgy in the Netherlands has not been discussed as a component of diocesan policy, or as a policy of the Dutch [Catholic] Church."

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IBF MrClean4Hire posts "They have won"

there fixed it for you... really wtf is wrong with these people?

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:20:25 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Along with the new world order comes the new world religion.

GR

+1000

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:21:27 PM EDT

[#11]

Would you like some allah on your cornflakes?

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:22:19 PM EDT

[#12]

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:52:46 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Only the Dutch could come up with something like this.

Warning, this article may cause SEVERE headache.

Dutch Bishop wants Christians to call God 'Allah'

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Haviv Rettig, THE JERUSALEM POST Aug. 16, 2007

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"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. That's his opinion. I prefer God, Jehovah, Jesus, etc. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will call God 'Allah'?" No. I also won't call God 'Budda', 'Bagwan', 'Set', 'Wodin', 'Baal', 'Cthulhu', or 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'.asked Bishop Martinus Petrus Maria Muskens in an interview on Dutch TV this week. "God doesn't care what we call him." I've a feeling He'll get kind of sore if we go calling Him by the name of another religion's false god.

Muskens, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the southern Dutch town of Breda, is known for previous controversial remarks suggesting the poor should steal bread Or get a job instead of stealing from others.and advocating the use of condoms to control the spread of AIDS. It's not nearly as effective as simply not having sex outside of marriage, but it's better than nothing. I fail to see the controversy.

As quoted by Radio Netherlands, three decades ago, when serving as a missionary in Indonesia, "someone like me ... prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa [Almighty God] for eight years and other priests [did so] for 20 or 30 years. While reciting the Koran? In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can't we start doing that together?" They don't call OUR God 'allah'. They call the muslim god Allah.

The bishop further noted that in Arabic-speaking regions, Christians speak of "Allah" as Westerners might speak of "Lord," and indeed were using the term in Aramaic before the rise of Islam. Allah was an arabic moon god in a pantheon of gods that they worshipped prior to the rise of Islam. In no way was he ever related to or associated with Christianity, nor did they call him Allah in Aramaic since his name over there is Jehovah (varying spellings on that, and they say it with a y sound instead of our j). Either this bishop is incredibly ignorant of things he should know about or is a fucking liar.

But why the need for the switch now? "In the last days, good will be called evil and evil, good."

"If Muslims and Christians address God with the same name, this contributes to harmonious living between both religions," read a statement on the Web site of the Breda Diocese. No, it doesn't. Muslims aren't supposed to hurt Jews or Christians, but for some reason that's their favorite thing to do in the whole world. Having us call God by their god's name is just one step closer to letting them WIN. Their goal is world conquest and everyone worshipping Allah, and you're just making it that much easier for them.

The diocese is careful to note that "the idea of calling God 'Allah' in the Catholic liturgy in the Netherlands has not been discussed as a component of diocesan policy, or as a policy of the Dutch [Catholic] Church." Translation: "We think it's fucking stupid but we don't want to piss off anyone with a suicide vest."

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Posted: 8/17/2007 12:54:09 PM EDT

[#14]

Two days ago called. It wants it's thread back.

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:55:14 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Along with the new world order comes the new world religion.

GR

The beast and the false prophet?

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:59:31 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
"In the last days, good will be called evil and evil good."

Didn't C.S. Lewis' Narnia Chronicles (a Christian allegory) have, in the last book, a bunch of guys based off of arabs who worshipped a god named Tash, and someone tricked all the guys who followed Aslan by saying they were the same, they called them Tashlan, etc.?

Yes. The Last Battle

It was part of the final deception that brought an end to the world.

Posted: 8/17/2007 12:59:41 PM EDT

[#17]

Why don't the moslems start calling their god Jesus or Jehova?

To prove they are as sensitive to us as they demand that we be to them.

Then the beheadings might end and we can all live togehter as friends.