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Posted: 8/9/2007 12:25:45 PM EDT
I wonder if while exchanging smiles, they were close enough to look into their eyes, and see their souls? |
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We had better forget about Iraq & start to worry about the damn Russians & stop pretending to be friends with them.
Like a friend of mine in CA says, better buy ammo! Mike |
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Britain told them to bugger off? Russia is becoming more assertive. Since the 18th century Russia has been considered a 'Great Power'. The fall of the USSR put that on hold, & now that they have oil money, they're back. Playing the strong Anti-American world citizen is good for their international prestige, which makes good domestic politics. |
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No surprises. Ol' Putin has had a hankerin' to revive the Cold War for some time now. It's just worth remembering that this time the iron curtain will be alot further to the east!
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You're right, its a great sign! Game on! Fuck you Russia! |
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+1; Oh, is on, B*tch! |
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Actually... I wish it was the Chinese that were clinkin' their sabres. I'd much rather see hostilities vs the Chinese than the Russians (that is, IF hostilies have to happen ). Fuck you, China!!! |
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+1. Lately, russia has (basically) been giving America the gigantic middle finger/one finger salute. This latest incident is just a continuation of this. |
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Pootie-Poot is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
They were PROPELLER driven "bombers". Russians werew shitting on the cockpit seat when a couple US fast movers that never showed up on Russian radar dove in on them, and cleaned their cockpit plexiglass with jetwash on afterburner. US pilots were laughing their asses off at Russians driving planes held together with bubblegum and baling wire. Pootie gets to strut around feeling all big and bad, but he knows he can't stop Poland from singking NMD silos, negating the only real threat Russia has left, their ICBM force. Pretty pathetic, really. |
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The bear is a cool airplane. Im glad russia is acting like its old self again. It gives our pilots something to engage.
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Like an old man rattling a rusty sabre. |
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Those Russian bombers are POS's.They would not only make good targets for our fighters but IF they ever got a missle off it would be intercepted by that new laser/747 we got.Whats that name again?
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That's how long the USAF wants to keep the B-52 in service for. Both planes are just about the same age. |
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LORD... What by that time we may have a hypersonic stealth bomber... and they will still be fielding these Then again we will still be using B-52's sooooo.. anyway, I believe we would win the air war with russia, and if we gained air superiority, we can take control of the ground. |
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Somehow I doubt there's an equivalent continuous improvement program in place for the Bear. |
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"Flash the landing lights at them, Yuri.. One blink only." |
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And a stealth replacement already in service... |
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Like the annoying gnat at a barbecue or the nosy neighbor peeking over the fence...the Tupolev Tu-95/142 Bear rises to the occasion.
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There is no need for concern, president Bush said he looked in president Putin's eyes and saw a man he could trust.
Really, so just trust president Bush's judgement and go on with your life. |
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It never went away. Its just a unified command...STRATCOM. Though they should have named it STRIKECOM after the first unified command. But the USAF knows next to nothing about tradition. |
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As demonstrated by the Uniform-go-round |
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I really can't say anything about the uniform thing, as the Nav has done very poorly by our Sailors on the uniform front. But that's a failure of the Senior Enlisted Leadership. I'll be happen when they bring back dress khaki. As far as the Bear goes, its reasonably creditable cruise missile carrier and recon asset, though I wouldn't want to fly one. I enjoy hearing. I just wonder if the NorKs have asked the Russians to do some Recon in the area. |
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Cool, I miss the cold war. It reminds me of RWR. God rest his soul.
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then they would have to admit that they where closer than 100 miles. |
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The must have been reading all the threads about how much the F-22 sucks.
Meat for the meat eaters I say. |
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Once you've been sacemsized, you can never go back! |
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The Russians are just being realistic and realize that the era of teh monster air p0w3r!!!1!!1one is over. Already reports of SAMs capable of finding our vaunted F-22s, 35s and B-2s. |
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Remeber a few years ago when that American aircraft was off the coast of China full of nifty gear to listen in on Chinese conversations. It supposenly rammed a Chinese jet then ended up in China being taken apart. Well that old thing was a proppeller driven EP-3E Aries II. Taking the Russia lead, we should have used a B-52 instead. |
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At the end of the day while Russia is certainly a threat it will never be a superpower again. Russian GDP isn't even a trillion $. At the most generous estimates about 7% of US GDP. It has a dying population, dropping by 500,000 to 700,000 a year. Life expectancy for men isn't even 60. By Russia's own estimates their population will drop to about 110m by 2050 while US population will hit about 500m by then.
While it has received a lot of money from oil and gas over the last few years Russian oil infrastructure is decaying and in need of serious investment to even keep up with current output. Outside a few fancy suburbs of Moscow and St Petersburg the country's infrastructure is crumbling and hasn't received decent investment since the 1960's. The Russian army more closely resembles a prison gang of rapists, murderers, drug traffickers and extortionists than a professional army. They might still make good hardware but they have little ability to field much of it themselves. What must hurt them most is that at no time since WWII ended has Russia had less influence in Europe. Of the former Warsaw Pact countries all of them, except Russia obviously, have joined NATO, with the expception of Albania who is due to join by the end of 2008. Eastern European countries are looking to the EU and NATO not the failed thug to the East. They can't even terrorise a small Baltic state in to doing their bidding anymore and even Belarus is going cold on them. Outside the Caucus states Russia is a weak influence in Europe. Germany, France and Britain all wield more influence than Russia in Europe. The combined GDP of the EU/NATO countries is over $30 trillion. It's a sad and pathetic sight watching Putin flap Russia's arms around screaming "look at me! look at me!" Russia is a regional European power with virtually no friends or allies anywhere in the world. Hopefully they don't decide to lash out at some point like the whiny child they are to get more attention. |
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This shit happened all the time in the Cold War. Nothing new here. |
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Thats probably a TAC F-15 anyway... |
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Right, but this isn't the Cold War, and Russia isn't the Soviet Union. This level of multiple incursions (Georgia) and near-incursions (UK, Guam) is unprecedented over the last 10-15 years. |
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WF'ingDo... They & Us do this stuff all the time. AF says they didn't intercept it.
They should have sent up a B52 from Guam to intercept it; that would be a cool formation pic ! Buff & Bear |
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Russia is actually in the beginning of a baby boom. Russian baby boom bodes well for economy Life expectancy is still a problem, though. As the economy improves and people start having kids again, that too will improve. And how much of that 500 mil do you think will be hard working citizens and how much will belong to the lumpenprole classes?
Despite hardcore set backs - the Russians ultimately prosecuted Chechnya infinitely better than we're doing in either of our conflicts. There are also ongoing attempts to professionalize the army by introducing (for the first time ever in Russia) an NCO corps.
Oil is life. In Europe, increasingly, Russia controls the oil. Blackmail fear after Russia doubles the price of oil
No friends except for China, Iran, lots in the Mid East, more in south Asia. Please rethink. Underestimating the Russians has proven to be a fatal mistake for many an empire. |
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Neither was that 1960's propeller driven intelligence plane America sent off of China in 2001. It is not so much how dangerous is the aircraft, it is how will America respond. We remind them to not press there luck, then peace will be secured. Otherwise they might be tempted to go nibbling on their neighbors. |
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LOL at that rate we're fucked... following sheep won't get you anywhere.... |
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No, you're right about the aircraft themselves.. I'm just curious what the change in thought process is all about. |
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