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Posted: 10/9/2001 10:40:12 AM EDT
Dos anyone believe that Anthrax Or Other Bio-weapons are Legit Threats Or Not?
Give me your opinions and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! -Andrea |
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You bet they are a legit threat... and defenitely more so than our government wants us to know... perhaps for good reason...
My folks live near Boca Raton, FL... if a teenage intern at that media center had access to anthrax, then we are really in for a treat... and yes, G-D BLESS AMERICA... |
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Anyone scared bout this possibility?? Anyone "preparing" for th worst a.k.a moving to a more remote location etc.. I'm not, but I am wondering on other people's reaction with this threat..
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Did anyone see last night's press conference on the Anthrax/Fla. deal on Fox News???
The FN commentators were right on- WTF was the point of evading hard answers, and spending the entire time congratulating each other on how well they were cooperating... |
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Aside from Anthrax innoculations, which take months to take effect, there is no really effective way to prepare for biowar, except for removing oneself from society. Hardly a realistic alternative for most people.
Most other biowar agents, such as Plague, Smallpox, Q-Fever, etc., are preventable with innoculations, but such serums are not yet available in sufficient quantity to innoculate even a sixeable fraction oa American society. IIRC, stated goal of Gov't is to have ON HAND 40 million doses of Smallpox vaccine [i]IN TWO YEARS[/i]. |
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Quoted: Did anyone see last night's press conference on the Anthrax/Fla. deal on Fox News??? The FN commentators were right on- WTF was the point of evading hard answers, and spending the entire time congratulating each other on how well they were cooperating... View Quote There definitely is more to it than they are letting on about.. Makes ya wonder.. How bad IS it??[thinking][soapbox] |
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Obviously, agents like Anthrax are a threat. However, the wildcard here, just like any weapon of mass destruction, is delivery. The Anthrax in FL had to be handled close enough to actually breathe in the spores. It is not the type of item that lends itself to widespread harm. There are far more volatile means that would be employed in that regard. However, if it is a true "terrorist" act, meant only to put people in fear, then yes, the fear of opening your mail would have widespread effect.
My theory on the FL scare is this: The office was a tabloid newspaper. They piss off a wide variety of people every day. That's how they sell papers. The story I heard was that a letter was received at the paper with comments about Jennifer Lopez, and it had some type of strange residue on it. It wouldn't be a stretch if some chem lab nerd who had a crush on her read something about her in the tabloid and was protecting her honor. Remember the Reagan/Jodie Foster connection. |
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You bet your ass it's a threat. Those three people down in Florida WERE victims of a bio-warefare attack. The likelihood that three people all who work together suddenly coming down with Anthrax by sheer chance alone, is so astronomical as to be absurd. That stuff about the ex-employee is pure B.S. We ARE under bio-warfare attack at this exact moment; just read the drudge report. THIS IS NOT A DRILL; WAKE UP - DEFEND YOURSELF.
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Bio warfare on a large scale will be either state sponsored, or state assisted. Anthrax, Smallpox, and other bio threats are difficult to produce in quanity. They are even more difficult to deliver in quanity.
Chemical warfare is about the same. Not as difficult to produce. But difficult to disperse in amounts to cause widespread problems. The Soviet Army planned for 3 tons of chemical munitions per kilometer of frontage they were going to break through. This is of course higher than is necessary for soft, civilian type targets. But it does take a shitload of chemicals to effectively deny (persistant agents) an area, or kill/disable. (non-persistent agents). I am not afraid, just concerned and aware of my surroundings. |
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I could care less.
I agree that on any large scale, it has to be state-sponsored. The Om-Shin-Rin (sp?) psychos in Japan had plenty of smart people and resources, and they had to give up and go with a chemical weapon. Keep in mind that anthrax is not contagious at all. Regular plague is not too contagious either - there are a few cases every year in the US, and it never spreads. I DO believe that it is probably not too hard for an individual to do this sort of thing, and spread it to a few targeted individuals. But worry about it? Not me - that's like spending my day worrying that a co-worker or disgruntled student is going to walk into my office with a gun and shoot me - or worrying about being hit by lightning when I'm out running. All of those are possible, but not particularly likely. If you want to worry about something, worry about the flu virus (or another realyl contagious virus) mutating into a killer - all by itself, but not some ambitious psycho who can kill a few people with his chemistry set. Just my $.02 |
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DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude.
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remember this the next time youre at a gun show and the guy toward the back is selling instructions for growing and distributing anthrax annd other WMDs.
I wonder if he sold any to terrorists? guess we'll never know. |
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Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: You bet your ass it's a threat. Those three people down in Florida WERE victims of a bio-warefare attack. The likelihood that three people all who work together suddenly coming down with Anthrax by sheer chance alone, is so astronomical as to be absurd. That stuff about the ex-employee is pure B.S. We ARE under bio-warfare attack at this exact moment; just read the drudge report. THIS IS NOT A DRILL; WAKE UP - DEFEND YOURSELF. View Quote The great part of this, if this is ever proved to be the work of an individual wacko, you'll never accept it. You'll say it's a government conspiracy to cover up the real threat. You'll denounce anyone who disagrees with you as a pawn. Miss cleo told me so. |
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Moving to a remote area not only will not save you, but in fact may be more dangerous. For any bio type weapon to be effective it needs to go airborn. There are vaccinations/treatment for known agents such as small pox and anthrax. Taking yourself away from society will just make it harder for you to get the proper treatment in time.
As far as Chem warfare, houses make great Chem warfare suits. |
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Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude. View Quote Full-of-Bull: Plague is spread from rats to humans by fleas and is not contagious. Neither is anthrax. Maybe you were smoking something back in history class. Smallpox was introduced to the American Indians by the settlers, and in one case deliberately by the government, via infected blankets. Party on, yourself. |
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Quoted: Obviously, agents like Anthrax are a threat. However, the wildcard here, just like any weapon of mass destruction, is delivery. The Anthrax in FL had to be handled close enough to actually breathe in the spores. It is not the type of item that lends itself to widespread harm. There are far more volatile means that would be employed in that regard. However, if it is a true "terrorist" act, meant only to put people in fear, then yes, the fear of opening your mail would have widespread effect. My theory on the FL scare is this: The office was a tabloid newspaper. They piss off a wide variety of people every day. That's how they sell papers. The story I heard was that a letter was received at the paper with comments about Jennifer Lopez, and it had some type of strange residue on it. It wouldn't be a stretch if some chem lab nerd who had a crush on her read something about her in the tabloid and was protecting her honor. Remember the Reagan/Jodie Foster connection. View Quote |
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It appears to be somewhat difficult to get anthrax distributed. The guys in Japan that conducted the nerve gas attack had tried earlier with anthrax, and that was a bust. In the building in FL it appears that there were three infections (so far) in a building with a few hundred people.
Some genetically engineered superflu might be a different matter. The spanish flu killed something like 40 million people, more than WWI, over the course of a couple years. |
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Quoted: Some genetically engineered superflu might be a different matter. The spanish flu killed something like 40 million people, more than WWI, over the course of a couple years. View Quote Don't forget Smallpox. There is only vaccination. Once you get it your screwed most likely. Vaccinations don't last longer than 10-15 years?? Some have had one as a child.... but it won't help today. |
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Quoted: Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude. View Quote Full-of-Bull: Plague is spread from rats to humans by fleas and is not contagious. Neither is anthrax. Maybe you were smoking something back in history class. Smallpox was introduced to the American Indians by the settlers, and in one case deliberately by the government, via infected blankets. Party on, yourself. View Quote At least one of the 11 states considered "The Southwest" has a plague outbreak every summer amongst its rodent population. Most of "cow country" in the midwest has Anthrax in the ground. Anthrax may work as a way to assinate someone you dont like but as a WMD you would need a lot of it. A military could use it, but a small group of people couldnt deliver enough. A crop duster couldnt deliver enough. A B52 or Bear could- which is why the Russians were working on it in the 80's. And they were more concerned with using it against Afganistan than against NATO This acutally makes it one of the better bio-weapons from a military standpoint. Since it behaves in a predictable manner. |
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So I take it alot of you are becoming paranoid.. Well, it is a scary thing, but do you people really think anyone could produce stuff in mass quantity??(It is HIGHLY unlikely!) It is a threat, but a relatively small one. The wackos in afganistan have threatened us with more airplane attacks(something they can keep dreaming about because security is WAY too tight right now.. PLUS, they actually believe that they can rally their own muslim brethern together, when the northern alliance amongst their own people wants to kill the Taliban! [-!-!-][puke]People, like Hitler, they are hoping to wipe us out and have a "dominant race". Hitler didn't succeed and he was much more powerful than these jerks are! They are happy we are getting scared because of possible bio-warfare. That is exactly what they want to weaken us! Don't let them do it! Stand tall and stand proud..
Just some opinions...[soapbox] |
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You should worry about Anthrax and Plague as you do the threat of a grenade attack; if it goes off near you, you're screwed.
Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them. |
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FBI: No Sign of Crime in Anthrax Cases By Sue Pleming Reuters WASHINGTON (Oct.9) - The FBI said on Tuesday it had not found any evidence so far of criminal intent in its investigation in Florida of two cases of anthrax, a rare disease that could be used as a biological weapon. Teams of FBI agents have been searching the building belonging to a supermarket tabloid group, American Media Inc., in Boca Raton, Florida, where two workers were exposed to anthrax. One of the workers, a photo editor, died last Friday. "So far, we have found no criminal intent in the case," said an FBI spokeswoman. "We are being extremely vigilant and checking everything possible, but there is no evidence yet of any wrongdoing," she added. Authorities have sealed off the Boca Raton headquarters of American Media Inc. after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said the bacterium that causes anthrax might be present in the building. Coming so soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, investigators are looking into how the men were exposed to anthrax and whether there is any link to terrorism. Some of the hijackers who rammed planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11 are believed to have frequented flight schools near the home of the photo editor and asked questions about crop-dusting aircraft, which could, theoretically, be used in an anthrax attack. Attorney General John Ashcroft said on Monday he took the anthrax cases in Florida very seriously but that he did not have enough information to say whether they were linked to the Sept. 11 attacks or to terrorism. But he said the investigation could at some point become a "clear, criminal investigation." Justice Department spokeswoman Mindy Tucker described the inquiry as a criminal investigation and said that was a precautionary step to enable the FBI to gather the necessary evidence if charges were ever filed. News of the anthrax cases in Florida came as the United States was on high alert for possible attacks by the al Qaeda network associated with Saudi-born exile Osama bin Laden, blamed for last month's attacks that killed more than 5,500 people. In Manassas, Virginia, health officials said a man had been tested for anthrax late on Monday and that preliminary results indicated he did not have the rare disease. The man, a computer specialist in his 40s, told emergency room staff he worked in a building affiliated with American Media Inc. Health officials have sought to calm fears over anthrax, pointing out it is not contagious and cannot be passed from person to person. Reuters 13:00 10-09-01 View Quote So it seems that the report of a 3rd Anthrax case is false. |
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Quoted: Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them. View Quote Small Pox??? Hasn't there not been a reported case of it since the 1970's??? If so, then there really isn't too much to worry about.. |
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Quoted: You should worry about Anthrax and Plague as you do the threat of a grenade attack; if it goes off near you, you're screwed. Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them. View Quote Gotta agree here. Also, Blonde_BombShell, anyone with a lot of land and a large herd of cows CAN incubate large quantities of anthrax (the large area of land would be to hide the fact that your herd of cattle are dying off). |
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Quoted: Quoted: Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them. View Quote Small Pox??? Hasn't there not been a reported case of it since the 1970's??? If so, then there really isn't too much to worry about.. View Quote And the last reported case of pulmonary (airborne) anthrax was in 1976... |
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Come on now... Do you really think that terrorists are going to be THAT stupid as to dump stuff on us.. If so, then we would retaliate, retaliate by nuking their a**es! They know we can do it too!
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Quoted: Quoted: Small Pox is the scary one, and I'm not scared. Fuck them. View Quote Small Pox??? Hasn't there not been a reported case of it since the 1970's??? If so, then there really isn't too much to worry about.. View Quote No wild case, no. But a few people have caught it from the vaccine itself. Just like the handful of polio cases in the last couple decades have been traced to the OPV. There was strong debate about a plan by the CDC to destroy the last remaining samples of the live smallpox virus. Which so far as known exists only in a few viles in Atlanta and some place in Russia. |
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Quoted: Come on now... Do you really think that terrorists are going to be THAT stupid as to dump stuff on us.. If so, then we would retaliate, retaliate by nuking their a**es! They know we can do it too! View Quote They want to scare us mainly, they want us to feel and react and respond like the Jews do in Izzyland. |
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Quoted: They want to scare us mainly, they want us to feel and react and respond like the Jews do in Izzyland. View Quote My thoughts exactly! |
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No, the fanatic want to kill as many Americans and Infidels(Jews) as possible, but usually in a big way; ie car bomb, suicide bomb strapped to chest, Plane hitting Major building. This doesn't fit their M.O., but I wouldn't count it out.
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well I do not know about the threat level but their is some heavy stocking up on drugs in the last week. got in many ,many thousands of injectible doses for chemical attack and today received 44,000 doses of anitiboitics for anthrax. can't say where I work but you can take a good guess of who I work for. hey it most likely will never happen in a large scale so don't worry about it. just support our gi's out there who are going to put their lives on the line. god bless america!!!!!
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The only way anthrax is a weapon is as an aerosol.Complex and hard to accomplish.Only two countries are known to be capable.Afghanistan is not one of them.
Many people die of pulmonary anthrax each year in the US and it is not reported because it is not tested for.That will now change. cpermd |
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Quoted: Originally Posted By Sitting Bull: DK-Prof - "Plague, is not too contagious" - Dude you must be smokin some serious $hit. What planet are you on right now. Read a history book about all the times the Black Death swept through Europe. Read about what small pox did to the American Indians. I can see why you could care less; you're stoned beyond belief. Party-on dude. View Quote Full-of-Bull: Plague is spread from rats to humans by fleas and is not contagious. Neither is anthrax. Maybe you were smoking something back in history class. Smallpox was introduced to the American Indians by the settlers, and in one case deliberately by the government, via infected blankets. Party on, yourself. View Quote RamblinWreck - thanks for beating me to the intellectual smackdown. People like Sitting-Bull apparently hear about the bubonic plaque wiping out a third of Europe's population in the middle ages, and immediate assume it is super-contagious, and don't bother to explore the matter any further. Plague was dangerous back in the dark ages because people did not understand basic hygeine or medicine. He's probably scare of Ebola as well. Sitting Bull - without wanting to jump to conclusions, I think it is safe to assume I may have read more history books (and other books for that matter) than you have. I could care less because I spend my time worrying about things that are realistic threats to my life - like traffic accidents - and not a single case of a non-contagious infaction in Florida. I'm more likely to be eaten by a shark, get hit by lightning, or drown in my own toilet. If you're worried about stuff like this, get a flu shot. Since you're such an authority on the history of disease, I'm sure you know what happened in the US in 1918. |
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The far bigger threat is Chemical. Thousands of chemicals that can easily be bought in quantity can poison water supplies or food sources for millions of people from centralized locations. Cities that get their water from a single source (like, say, New York City) are particularly vulnerable, though it could certainly happen anywhere.
-Troy |
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