Model 1 Sales, Inc. Question... HELP!

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Model 1 Sales, Inc. Question... HELP!

Posted: 10/1/2001 12:36:22 PM EDT

Hello Fellow AR15ers!

Recently a friend of mine decided he too wanted an AR15 after shooting a 16" M4gery this weekend. A successfuly converted anti now wants his to be a 20" flat-top, but like me, he's on a REALLY restricted budget. He also wants the A3 Removable Carry-Handle.

My questions regarding Model 1 Sales, Inc:

1.) How reliable are their kits?
2.) Are they made of quality durable parts/materials?
3.) How accurate are their 20" kit rifle uppers?
4.) Do their "KITS" contain [B]ALL[/B] of the parts required to finish a stripped lower (trigger ass'y, hammer, bolt carrier, internals, etc...)?
5.) Are they considered "Frankengun Crap Kits?" Basically are they good in general?

Need info on these ASAP. His upper is ordered from Olympic Arms already, and now we just need to order the kit/parts to customize it.

What's the best place to buy the A3 removable carry-handle?
Bushmaster = $89.00 + Shipping
Castle Arms = $95.00 + Shipping
What are some other good places? Are there better prices?

I'm dying to know. If these Model 1 Sales kits are better than the one's I've seen from Olympic Arms in the past, I think I may just buy more in the future.

My main concerns (in order):
1.) Accuracy (shooting about 50-400 yards)
2.) Reliability (I don't want too many FTF's, stovepiping, jams, breaking parts, etc)
3.) Quality (Don't want parts to break after a few 1000 rds or so)
4.) What is the reputation of these kits with other shooters out here???

Thank you SO MUCH for your help. I hope to have a good kit ordered by the end of the week, and am searching around for more info...

-inuhbad

Posted: 10/1/2001 12:55:52 PM EDT

[#1]

Answers to your questions:

1)Good. The Co. is easy to work with.
2)I think so. I have purchased kits from them in the past and everything worked fine.
3)Still working up loads at this time.
4)Every thing you need in in the kit, expect the lower.
5)Good. I have owned most of the makes out there. All have their problems, some good some bad. I have had Olys., Bushmasters, Colts, DPMS, and a few "off" brands that I could not wait to get rid of and some that I would not part with.

I have even put together a gun just as you have described, Oly lower and Model one kit. Love the gun, it shoots well and never has had a jam .
Hope this helps.
Now that you have me thinking, I think I will build another one like this.
Bill
Simper Fi

Posted: 10/1/2001 3:57:47 PM EDT

[#2]

Good! Thanks for the info!

Does anybody else have an opinion of Model 1 Sales, Inc.? I'd like to hear from people who know how good their products are, etc... I'm really hoping to get this rifle going...

Model 1 Sales, Inc's Website:
[url]http://www.model1sales.com/[/url]

Check their prices, they seem to have some decent low prices for their stuff.

Other info regarding prices, is there a place to get A3 removable handles for less than Bushmaster's price of $89.00?

What are some other low cost, yet good & reliable options for Flat-Top receivers?

In the future, I'm looking at getting a scope mount that can quickly interchange with the A3 carry handle. Do you know of any good "Slide-On" rail setups that I can slide onto the picatinny, lock in, and slide off (for fast interchange between A3 & low-profile scope)?

Thanks for your help! Thank You ShadowJack!

-inuhbad

Posted: 10/1/2001 4:17:01 PM EDT

[#3]

I have used Model 1's 20" HBAR kits. The ones that I assembled were excellent, no complaints. Model 1's barrels are [b]not chrome lined[/b] like Bushmasters, if that is a big deal to you.

For a removable carry handle, check the Equipment Exchange. I see them there quite often. I personally don't use the removable carry handles. I have flat-tops with optics and I have fixed handles. I have different upper for different purposes.

OSA

Posted: 10/1/2001 4:28:58 PM EDT

[#4]

FWIW: I bought an A2 upper only from Model 1 Sales. Some surface imperfections (teeny dent here and there) and color didn't quite match my bushy lower. Put a little oil on it and it matches fine. The fit is perfect when matched with the bushy lower.

I've had no problems with my m4'gery "with character"

Posted: 10/1/2001 4:31:46 PM EDT

[#5]

I built a Model 1 Sales 20" kit with carry handle two years ago on a DPMS lower. All parts were included and the kit went together with ease. No problems ever and it was CHEAP. Whole setup only set me back $480.00 US.

One curious thing though. I was told (by Model 1 Sales) that they made the current issue military M16 and this was the same production run 'with a chrome lined barrel'. I have no way of confirming or denying this claim so does anyone know the truth? I’m satisfied with the rifle especially for what I paid but was I misled?

[:\]
(Edited to get the smiley right - fat fingered the slash AGAIN!)

Posted: 10/1/2001 5:09:32 PM EDT

[#6]

My Model 1 kit worked fine. Parts all fit, upper was fully assembled & headspaced. I call it a frankengun, but it's no piece of crap. I can bench a 1" group at 100 yards with iron sights. No the barrel isn't chrome lined, but I consider that a plus.

Norm

Posted: 10/1/2001 5:24:39 PM EDT

[#7]

I put together a 16" kit from them. I actually ended up buying a complete bushmaster lower and putting the model 1 sales upper on it. It was during the big 1999 assault rifle crunch, they sold it to me without a bolt. I purchased one elsewhere and put it together, works great. Only had a problem once because of a bad magazine that was gummed up inside and wouldn't feed rounds fast enough. Finish is good, after putting a light coat of oil on it. Shoots good.

Posted: 10/1/2001 5:28:09 PM EDT

[#8]

I've put together 5 of their kits. 1 Pre-Ban 16", 2 Post-Ban 16" and 2 Post-Ban 20". Absolutely no complaints. I have two more DPMS Lowers to build up. Will order my kits from Model 1 Sales again when I am ready.

Posted: 10/1/2001 7:26:49 PM EDT

[#9]

I have a question regarding their barrels:

If they're not Chrome lined (Like Bushy & Colt), then are they made of Stainless Steel (Like Olympic Arms)?

And if they're not Stainless, then what do I do? I'm paranoid about rust (with good reason)!

Also, I know that the stainless steel and chrome lined barrels each have a VERY different break-in method. But I STILL have not found a good detailed source on how to break either type in. I'd like a resource on Chrome Lined, and how to break in Stainless Steel if anyone knows of one!

-inuhbad

PS. Sorry for kicking a dead horse, but I was away since my last post at the Univ of MN's Armament Group Meeting... (Planning Homecoming Parade)

Posted: 10/1/2001 10:18:48 PM EDT

[#10]

iNuhBaDNayburhood, from what I understand the barrels are chrome-moly (sp?) they are not stainless but will not rust very easily.

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