Can any non white person commit a hate crime?

Poll incoming.

minorities don't commit hate crimes because whitey liberals think they don't know any better so they let them slide.
However whitey should know better than to go beating a minority.

If'n dey iz, ah ain't seen nun.

Of course not.  HELLO?!?!

Even in the FBI uniform crime report hispanics who commit crime count as white and hispanics who are the victim of crime count as a minority.

According to the MSM and Libtards...NO!!! Double standards and excuses...

Absolutely not. Only a racist would pose such a question.

Quoted: Of course not.  HELLO?!?! Even in the FBI uniform crime report hispanics who commit crime count as white and hispanics who are the victim of crime count as a minority.

Is that true?

That sounds like a double standard.

Quoted: Absolutely not. Only a racist would pose such a question.

That did not take long.

You have been fed to much Liberal MSM Bullshit I think.

Yes, some minorities have been charged and even found guilty of committing a hate crime. For example, in Los Angeles, Hispanics commit most of hate crimes against blacks and blacks commit most of the hate crimes against Hispanics. The Uniform Crime Report reported that in 2005, 933 "known" blacks were convicted of committing a hate crime.

Some on this site want to ignore this fact for some unknown reason (personal agenda?) or are truly ignorant on this matter.  

Quoted: Yes, some minorities have been charged and even found guilty of committing a hate crime. For example, in Los Angeles, Hispanics commit most of hate crimes against blacks and blacks commit most of the hate crimes against Hispanics. The Uniform Crime Report reported that in 2005 that 933 blacks were convicted of committing a hate crime. Some on this site want to ignore this fact for some unknown reason (personal agenda?) or are truly ignorant on this matter.

Is that ever reported by the MSM?

Quoted: Quoted: Yes, some minorities have been charged and even found guilty of committing a hate crime. For example, in Los Angeles, Hispanics commit most of hate crimes against blacks and blacks commit most of the hate crimes against Hispanics. The Uniform Crime Report reported that in 2005 that 933 blacks were convicted of committing a hate crime. Some on this site want to ignore this fact for some unknown reason (personal agenda?) or are truly ignorant on this matter.   Is that ever reported by the MSM?

I'm remember seeing months ago in a internet news article (MSM) about the Los Angeles statistic.  Here is a story about an LA hate crime, racially motivated murder, committed by some Hispanics against a black girl.

Five charged with killing witness in LA hate crime slaying LOS ANGELES - Five reputed Hispanic gang members have been charged with murdering an acquaintance they believed witnessed the racially motivated shooting death of a 14-year-old black girl, prosecutors said Friday. (More in link)

 

Quoted: Quoted: Of course not.  HELLO?!?! Even in the FBI uniform crime report hispanics who commit crime count as white and hispanics who are the victim of crime count as a minority. Is that true? That sounds like a double standard.

Yes.

linkeroo

"Things are actually much worse than the above notes suggest. As The Color of Crime notes, the feds inflate white crime statistics by counting Hispanic offenders as white; at the same time, “Hispanics are a [hate crime] victim category but not a perpetrator category.” If someone attacks a Mexican for racial reasons, he becomes a Hispanic victim of a hate crime. However, if the same Mexican commits a hate crime against a black, he is classified as a ‘white’ perpetrator. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both victim and perpetrator are reported as white.” Thus, the number of white perpetrators is exaggerated, while the number of white victims is constricted by the federal double-standard."

Quoted: <snip> Quoted: Absolutely not. Only a racist would pose such a question. That did not take long. You have been fed to much Liberal MSM Bullshit I think.

I think you need to top off the fluid in your sarcasm meter.

There are isolated incidents of black on white race crime reported.  Earlier at Halloween some teenage black girls beat up some older white women in Long Beach.  They were convicted although the sentences may have been extremely light given the degree of violence.  The defendants as juveniles had been detained since Halloween on recommendation  after being interviewed so they have been sentenced to 90 days already.  

Interesting that the kids had little record against them, such as truancy or any other problems.  Just got up a head of steam and vented.

www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb03/0,4670,HalloweenBeatings,00.html

Tell us all about it Sociology Majors!!  j/k

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Of course not.  HELLO?!?! Even in the FBI uniform crime report hispanics who commit crime count as white and hispanics who are the victim of crime count as a minority. Is that true? That sounds like a double standard. Yes. linkeroo "Things are actually much worse than the above notes suggest. As The Color of Crime notes, the feds inflate white crime statistics by counting Hispanic offenders as white; at the same time, “Hispanics are a [hate crime] victim category but not a perpetrator category.” If someone attacks a Mexican for racial reasons, he becomes a Hispanic victim of a hate crime. However, if the same Mexican commits a hate crime against a black, he is classified as a ‘white’ perpetrator. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both victim and perpetrator are reported as white.” Thus, the number of white perpetrators is exaggerated, while the number of white victims is constricted by the federal double-standard."

Who's the friggin genius that came up what?  Talk about manipulating the numbers!!!!

Quoted: Yes. linkeroo "Things are actually much worse than the above notes suggest. As The Color of Crime notes, the feds inflate white crime statistics by counting Hispanic offenders as white; at the same time, “Hispanics are a [hate crime] victim category but not a perpetrator category.” If someone attacks a Mexican for racial reasons, he becomes a Hispanic victim of a hate crime. However, if the same Mexican commits a hate crime against a black, he is classified as a ‘white’ perpetrator. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both victim and perpetrator are reported as white.” Thus, the number of white perpetrators is exaggerated, while the number of white victims is constricted by the federal double-standard."

I knew the situation was fucked up but that is amazing.

Yes, in fact, "minorities" are convicted for hate crimes more than "white people"

Quoted: Yes, in fact, "minorities" are convicted for hate crimes more than "white people"

Despite the fact that hispanics count as 'white' when they perpetrate a hate crime.

Quoted: Quoted: Yes, in fact, "minorities" are convicted for hate crimes more than "white people" Despite the fact that hispanics count as 'white' when they perpetrate a hate crime.

Catch-22

or else "white people" is an oxymoron.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, in fact, "minorities" are convicted for hate crimes more than "white people" Despite the fact that hispanics count as 'white' when they perpetrate a hate crime. Catch-22 or else "white people" is an oxymoron.

Bullshit.

If they can count as victims they can count as perps.

It's a way of making white people look like they commit way more crime than they do while making hispanics look like they commit way less than they do.  It's a lie.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, in fact, "minorities" are convicted for hate crimes more than "white people" Despite the fact that hispanics count as 'white' when they perpetrate a hate crime. Catch-22 or else "white people" is an oxymoron. Bullshit. If they can count as victims they can count as perps. It's a way of making white people look like they commit way more crime than they do while making hispanics look like they commit way less than they do.  It's a lie.

I think I understood.  Catch-22 is faulty logic.  Leads to poor conclusions.  It's a version of Orwellian doublespeak.

There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.
"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he [Yossarian] observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, in fact, "minorities" are convicted for hate crimes more than "white people" Despite the fact that hispanics count as 'white' when they perpetrate a hate crime. Catch-22 or else "white people" is an oxymoron. Bullshit. If they can count as victims they can count as perps. It's a way of making white people look like they commit way more crime than they do while making hispanics look like they commit way less than they do.  It's a lie. I think I understood.  Catch-22 is faulty logic.  Leads to poor conclusions.  It's a version of Orwellian doublespeak. There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle. "That's some catch, that Catch-22," he [Yossarian] observed. "It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.

Oh, shit...you actually read the book.  

Sorry, I thought you were dismissing the institutional racism as some kind of valid form of racial/ethnic accounting.

Hell no cracka.

Quoted: There are isolated incidents of black on white race crime reported.  Earlier at Halloween some teenage black girls beat up some older white women in Long Beach.  They were convicted although the sentences may have been extremely light given the degree of violence.  The defendants as juveniles had been detained since Halloween on recommendation  after being interviewed so they have been sentenced to 90 days already.   Interesting that the kids had little record against them, such as truancy or any other problems.  Just got up a head of steam and vented. www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb03/0,4670,HalloweenBeatings,00.html Tell us all about it Sociology Majors!!  j/k

A hate crime (B on W) would be a tough sell in Long beach.

I definitely believe that caucasians are held to a higher double standard, especially when it comes to "hate crimes" or getting into competitive programs such as med school  (and probably asians as well).

The second most common hate crime is black on white. And its not a distant second by any means.

Quoted: The second most common hate crime is black on white. And its not a distant second by any means.

Where did you get that?

Quoted: I definitely believe that caucasians are held to a higher double standard, especially when it comes to "hate crimes" or getting into competitive programs such as med school  (and probably asians as well).

We are held to standards we can maintain, as are they...

Lower your expectations of them and the suprises will end.

Quoted: Quoted: The second most common hate crime is black on white. And its not a distant second by any means. Where did you get that?

Some sort of official statistic I looked at for a class some time ago. Maybe the Criminal Justice Sourcebook has the info.

Quoted: The second most common hate crime is black on white. And its not a distant second by any means.

iirc, it was the White guy who wanted to kick your ass at SHOT show, not me.

Quoted: Quoted: The second most common hate crime is black on white. And its not a distant second by any means. iirc, it was the White guy who wanted to kick your ass at SHOT show, not me.

We're talking about racially motivated hatred here!

Only white people can commit hate crimes.

When minorities commit crimes against whites, they are simply retaliating for the oppression and injustice that has been inflicted on them by the white man.

When whitey commits a crime against a minority it is because whites hate minorities.

The trouble with the "Hate-Crime" statistics collected by the FedGov are that they are inherently biased against Caucasians.

Hispanic hate-crime OFFENDERS are categorized as "white" while Hispanic hate-crime VICTIMS are categorized as "Hispanic".

Apparently there are no separate categories for Hispanic hate-crime offenders (those are all called "white"), but there IS a separate category for Hispanic hate-crime victims.



BTW... "anti-white" hate-crimes account for about 10.8% of all hate-crimes while "anti-hispanic" hate-crimes account for only about 6.8%. I wonder how many of the anti-white hate-crimes were committed by Hispanic "white" offenders? We'll never know because according to the US Gov't there ARE no Hispanic hate-crime offenders. That would be considered "white-on-white" hate-crime which has no data collected on it.

As far as the original question....

Blacks, who account for about 12.5% of the US population, account for 19.7% of hate-crime offenders while Whites (including Hispanics) who account for 87% of the US population account for 60.5% of hate-crime offenders.

So that means that Blacks are about 58% OVER-represented as hate-crime offenders while Whites (with Hispanics included) are about 30% UNDER-represented among hate-crime offenders.

Hmmm....

Quoted: As far as the original question.... Blacks, who account for about 12.5% of the US population, account for 19.7% of hate-crime offenders while Whites (including Hispanics) who account for 87% of the US population account for 60.5% of hate-crime offenders. So that means that Blacks are about 58% OVER-represented as hate-crime offenders while Whites (with Hispanics included) are about 30% UNDER-represented among hate-crime offenders. Hmmm....

Nice spin, but what it technically factually says is 3 out of 5 hate crime offenders are White (60.5%), and one out of five is Black (19.7%).

Posted By: RevAlSimpleton All of the problems in America today are Whitey's fault. No exceptions. No matter what the crime, location, or race involved, it has been and will always be Whitey's fault. It is a scientific fact that people of any other race are incapable of being responsible for their own actions.

Well, that about sums it up!

Quoted: Quoted: As far as the original question.... Blacks, who account for about 12.5% of the US population, account for 19.7% of hate-crime offenders while Whites (including Hispanics) who account for 87% of the US population account for 60.5% of hate-crime offenders. So that means that Blacks are about 58% OVER-represented as hate-crime offenders while Whites (with Hispanics included) are about 30% UNDER-represented among hate-crime offenders. Hmmm.... Nice spin, but what it technically factually says is 3 out of 5 hate crime offenders are White (60.5%), and one out of five is Black (19.7%).

Huh?

linkeroo

* “… between 2001 and 2003, blacks were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”

* Between 2001 and 2003, blacks committed, on average, 15,400 black-on-white rapes per year, while whites averaged only 900 white-on-black rapes per year.

* “Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.”

But there are five-and-one-half as many whites as blacks. If anything, the numbers should be reversed. After all, as leftists always tell us, all groups are supposed to be equally represented in all categories, for good or ill. (Well, not really. Leftists never call on the NBA and NFL to institute racial parity for white players.)

* Nationally, youth gangs are 90 percent non-white. “Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.”

* The only crime category in which Asians are more heavily represented than whites is illegal gambling.

* “Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.”

But how can that be, when for years commentators of all political persuasions have insisted that the majority of the victims of black crime are themselves black? But it has been true for some time, because blacks increasingly target whites based on the color of the latter’s skin. The commentators have been guilty variously of lying or laziness.

* Far from being guilty of “racially profiling” innocent blacks, police have been exercising racial bias on behalf of blacks, arresting fewer blacks than their proportion of criminals: “… blacks who committed crimes that were reported to the police were 26 percent less likely to be arrested than people of other races who committed the same crimes.”

* “… police are determined to arrest non-black rather than black criminals.” (I have seen this practice in operation on the streets and subways of New York.)

* “[Blacks] are eight times more likely than people of other races to rob someone, for example, and 5.5 times more likely to steal a car.”

Well, as everyone knows, innocent blacks get rounded up by the police all the time, so we can safely ignore such statistics. After all, isn’t that what the NAACP, Village Voice, New York Times, and countless black “activists” and prominent academics have been saying for years? And although the folks insisting on the reality of racial profiling have no facts to back up their claims, they enjoy political prestige and moral authority. The Color of Crime, meanwhile, is based merely on lowly facts. As we shall see, prominent people are already saying that we should ignore The Color of Crime, because it wasn’t produced by the right sort of people. (And of course, the “right sort of people” never tells the truth about race and crime.)

* Charges of racial profiling, which maintain that police target innocent black motorists for traffic stops notwithstanding, a 2002 study by Maryland’s Public Service Research Institute found that police were stopping too few black speeders (23%), compared to their proportion of actual speeders (25%). In fact, “blacks were twice as likely to speed as whites” in general, and there was an even higher frequency of black speeders in the 90-mph and higher range.

* “… the only evidence for police bias is disproportionate arrest rates for those groups police critics say are the targets of bias. High black arrest rates appear to reflect high crime rates, not police misconduct.”

* Blacks not only commit violent crimes at far higher rates than non-blacks, but their crimes are more violent than those of whites. Blacks are three times as likely as non-blacks to commit assault with guns, and twice as likely as non-blacks to commit assault with knives.

* Blacks not only commit violent crimes at far higher rates than whites, but blacks commit “white collar” offenses -- fraud, bribery, racketeering and embezzlement, respectively -- at two to five times the white rate.

* The single greatest indicator of an area’s crime rate is not poverty or education, but race and ethnicity. Even when one controls for income, the black crime rate is much higher than the white rate.

Things are actually much worse than the above notes suggest. As The Color of Crime notes, the feds inflate white crime statistics by counting Hispanic offenders as white; at the same time, “Hispanics are a [hate crime] victim category but not a perpetrator category.” If someone attacks a Mexican for racial reasons, he becomes a Hispanic victim of a hate crime. However, if the same Mexican commits a hate crime against a black, he is classified as a ‘white’ perpetrator. Even more absurdly, if a Mexican commits a hate crime against a white, both victim and perpetrator are reported as white.” Thus, the number of white perpetrators is exaggerated, while the number of white victims is constricted by the federal double-standard.

And as the study fails to note, with black-on-white male prison rape an institutionalized sport among black inmates, hundreds of thousands of white men have thus been victimized but never counted by the government. Meanwhile, white-on-black male prison rape is virtually non-existent.

Some of the study’s many sources were the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports (UCRs); the feds’ National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS), in which 149,000 people across the country, in statistical proportion to all demographic groups, were called; the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS); and Supplemental Homicide Reports (SHRs); State Court Processing Statistics (SCPS); National Youth Gang Survey; the Federal Justice Statistics Program (FJSP); and National Corrections Reporting Program (NCRP). The succinct report slays dragons in the course of mere footnotes, such as its nailing of tenured California State University criminology professor Phyllis B. Gerstenfeld, who in her book Hate Crimes: Causes, Controls and Controversies, the reality of interracial violence be damned, depicted whites only as perpetrators, and not as the victims of hate crimes.

Quoted: Quoted: As far as the original question.... Blacks, who account for about 12.5% of the US population, account for 19.7% of hate-crime offenders while Whites (including Hispanics) who account for 87% of the US population account for 60.5% of hate-crime offenders. So that means that Blacks are about 58% OVER-represented as hate-crime offenders while Whites (with Hispanics included) are about 30% UNDER-represented among hate-crime offenders. Hmmm.... Nice spin, but what it technically factually says is 3 out of 5 hate crime offenders are White (60.5%), and one out of five is Black (19.7%).

Lemme try a different format:

White Population = 87%
White HC Offenders = 60.5%
--------------------------------------
Differential = 26.5%

That 26.5% represents the UNDER-represented value of white-HC offenders. If Whites were EQUALLY represented among HC-offenders as they are in the general population, there would be 87% white HC-offenders. But they're not. So how much UNDER-represented are they among HC-offenders?

26.5% / 87% = 30.4% LESS white-HC offenders than there would be if Whites were as EQUALLY represented among HC offenders as they are in the general population.

Same idea for Blacks means Blacks are 58% OVER-represented among HC-offenders than they would be if Blacks were as EQUALLY represented among HC offenders as they are in the general population.



ETA... DAMMIT!!! I keep fatfingering the wrong keys!!!

YES

The above link has been posted on AR15.com before, but I can't remember where...

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Quoted: img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/twonami/louisf.jpg

That got my vote!

It's a shame I can't type what I really feel about this question here. Banned for sure.

It pisses me off how many ethnic-oriented student organizations here (e.g Chinese Student Association, etc) EXCEPT for Anglo-based student organizations.

Fuck you Double Standard.

Quoted: Lemme try a different format:

Your math percentages are not debatable. If you take a Black/White person, you can look at the perspective you used and say, more than the per capita of Blacks perform crimes, or less than the per capita of Whites perform crimes.

Neither of those stats mean shit if you are a victim of crime. If you are the victim of a hate crime, by the numbers given, the odds of it being a White person committing the attack are still 3 times higher than it being a Black person. (60 versus 20). And an unnamed person is equally liable to do it as it being a Black person. Thats three votes White, One vote Black, one vote unnamed.

At this point, to quote per capita numbers is one of two things. Illogical at best, disingenuous at worst. I (really dont give a shit, I trust nobody) would rather know that 3 out of 5 chances of me being bit are from a Pit Bull, than to know more often than not a German Shepard will bite. Which dog actually commits the most bites, not which one has the greater propensity to bite.

Quoted: It pisses me off how many ethnic-oriented student organizations here (e.g Chinese Student Association, etc) EXCEPT for Anglo-based student organizations. Fuck you Double Standard.

Quoted: Quoted: Lemme try a different format: Your math percentages are not debatable. If you take a Black/White person, you can look at the perspective you used and say, more than the per capita of Blacks perform crimes, or less than the per capita of Whites perform crimes. Neither of those stats mean shit if you are a victim of crime. If you are the victim of a hate crime, by the numbers given, the odds of it being a White person committing the attack are still 3 times higher than it being a Black person. (60 versus 20). And an unnamed person is equally liable to do it as it being a Black person. Thats three votes White, One vote Black, one vote unnamed. At this point, to quote per capita numbers is one of two things. Illogical at best, disingenuous at worst. I (really dont give a shit, I trust nobody) would rather know that 3 out of 5 chances of me being bit are from a Pit Bull, than to know more often than not a German Shepard will bite. Which dog actually commits the most bites, not which one has the greater propensity to bite.

I'm not saying we need to persecute anyone but let's stop lying.

* “… between 2001 and 2003, blacks were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”

But there are five-and-one-half as many whites as blacks. If anything, the numbers should be reversed. After all, as leftists always tell us, all groups are supposed to be equally represented in all categories, for good or ill. (Well, not really. Leftists never call on the NBA and NFL to institute racial parity for white players.)

Who we talking about here? Whitey Ford? Whitey Herzog? In order to make an educated decision I need to know which Whitey we are talking about.

Quoted: Who we talking about here? Whitey Ford? Whitey Herzog? In order to make an educated decision I need to know which Whitey we are talking about.

Im hoping its one of those. Anything else would be a "derogatory comments of a racial nature" and thus a COC violation.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The second most common hate crime is black on white. And its not a distant second by any means. Where did you get that? Some sort of official statistic I looked at for a class some time ago. Maybe the Criminal Justice Sourcebook has the info.

Well, you didn't get that statistic from the Uniform Crime Reports (2005). There were more anti-jewish crimes then anti-white crimes in 2005.

anti-black (2,630)
anti-jewish (848)
anti-white (828)

Quoted: i129.photobucket.com/albums/p217/zwvirtual/ar15%20photos/Thatsracist.gif

What does that gif come from?  Was it some kind of political diatribe a leftist douche put a child up to?

I wonder if the same tactics are used (calling hispanics white) when they claim the rate of illegitimate births are on the rise for "white" people. It may not be as severe as the media makes it out to be, if you include hispanics in the numbers.



ETA Dangit! I was waiting for post 223 and I missed it!

556 is a long way off...

Quoted: Quoted: i129.photobucket.com/albums/p217/zwvirtual/ar15%20photos/Thatsracist.gif What does that gif come from?  Was it some kind of political diatribe a leftist douche put a child up to?

No thats just good cultural training, if your caught red handed scream racism.