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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:58:39 PM EDT
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I feel for the family because dogs ARE family just like any other member. In this case, I'd have no problem with some type of compenstation, but $5M is a freaking joke.
Continued insanity.... HH |
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I'd stick up for the cop. Dogs are no fun to mess with when they show those pearly whites - though I would've done another shot to the head instead of the heart.
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Cops really do need to explore a Tazer or pepper spray solution. |
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Popcorn. Check
Adult beverage. Check. 20 pages & a lock. 2 perma-bans |
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True. But they are also not "just property." This is reinforced by the fact that if you shoot a police K9 it is "assualt on an officer." |
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Absolutely right. There's GOT to be another way to subdue aggressive dogs without shooting them. You analogy to regular dogs and K-9's was spot on. Our dogs are just as valuable to us as their K-9's are. HH |
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If their kid had been killed... $5 million wouldn't bring him back. No amount of money would. The settlement is supposed to be some form of compensation for their loss and a deterrent to the event happening again. If $5 million isn't out of line in one case, it isn't out of line in the other. |
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Tazers don't work well on dogs due to the prong seperation angle and the movement of the dog (too hard to hit them)....pepper spray works well MOST of the time. However, as many dogs as I've yelled at or sprayed with OC and can tell you that when a dog is truely in attack mode with the pearly whites showing the only thing that will stop it is a bullet to the head. A good kick works well sometimes too but too dangerous with the dog bite issue. I don't expect an officer dealing with a potential threat of a burglar to holster up, chose another weapon, the reholster and address the potential burglar. Let's not forget that we're QB'ing an event with the ability of hindsight and not making split second decisions with the info known at the time. By the sound of it any reasonable person would think a burg was happening I'm not saying all dogs need to be shot, but as a cop on the scene of a likely burglary in progress (nothing at the point of the dog attack would necessarly defuse the officer to believe it wasn't a burg in progress) with a dog who won't stop EVEN AFTER the owner himself can't control the dog (read the story) would cause me to fear that the dog was going to attack. Don't know the whole story, but based on the limited info presented in the article, I'm going to say give the homeowner $100 for the dog. No more, no less. |
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OC doesn't work well on dogs. Even if it did, it's effects are not instant.
Taser might be better, but since the probes follow different paths, and both have to hit for the Taser to work, the marksmanship can be difficult. Next, how many times have you heard a dog bite story that includes the phrase "my dog doesn't bite" from the owner either immediately before or in the aftermath of the bite. DOGS BITE, it is in their nature. Dog owners need to be able to control their animals. Next, both the officer and the owner yelled at the dog. I don't know that a stranger yelling at a excited dog helps the situation. I would let the owner do the talking. However, if the talking from the owner isn't INSTANTLY effective, the owner needs to take other steps to control their dog. |
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My point remains that they need to come up with a LTL Doggy solution. If for no other reason than to save PDs from lawsuits such as this, potential liabilty of having to discharge an officers firearm around families with kids who may be protective of the pet and least of all the guilt associated with having to shoot somebodies dog. Seems to me this is a worthwhile thing to do. |
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The owner should be ticketed for not having his animal under control. The officer did nothing wrong. They should be able to shoot anything or anyone they feel is a threat to them. That's why they go through weeks of training. Obviously this officer knew exactly what needed to be done at the time. Anybody guessing otherwise is just Monday morning quarterbacking.
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Not trying to give you shit but when I had a paper route as a kid we dealt with aggressive territorial dogs armed only with squirt guns full of lemon juice. Perhaps officers could be issued such weapons and trained in their use by 8 year old kids. |
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Keep repeating the internet fairy tale and maybe it will be true. I heard on the 'net a private citizen can order a firearm and have it shipped to an FFL, then the FFL HAS to do the transfer, since the citizen owns the gun. If you attack certain animals, police dogs, police horses, seeing eye dogs, or other guide dogs, there is more of a penalty thant attacking animals that are not as highly trained. It has to do with the cost to purchase, train, and maintain, that specialty animal. |
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FFS, just do what I did with my old German Shepherd when he was misbehaving and biting many years ago. He bit me, so I grabbed him and bit him on the snout. *YELP!* Showed proper respect and never bit the Alpha again.
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Steyr, I expected better of you than to regurgitate this drivel. It's an Arfcom BS line that will NOT die. Dogs are not people, and killing a police dog is not assault on an officer, not even in Cali. |
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I was bit twice as a paper boy.............................. If I had to carry everything that someone said would be a good idea to have, I would need a powered exoskeleton, and motorized cart, or a Segway with a tow package, and a trailer. Next, dogs seem to react more aggressively to uniforms. The paper boy who is passing through, is usually less of a issue than an officer, that moves into the "dog's territory" and takes charge. |
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WOW |
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Speaking from experience at TAZAR or Pepper Spray(Fox 5.3) work very well on attacking dogs.
I do have to agree though with who ever posted it, that if I was the officer and responding to a home break in call I would not put away my weapon which I had drawn on the assumed suspect to deal with the dog. |
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Jeezz U go to a house on a Buglar call and theres is a dog in the house growling at U. HMMM would U think that the dog would NOT let a CRIMINAL in the house too? Sorry but there is too many cops shooting family pets these days. Did they shoot dogs like this 40 years ago? Yes 5 Mill is way to much. Srpay the dog with OC next time it will stop .
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except for the fact that 100% of family pets would be in the immediate area of the burgular, barking like crazy, or chewing on him- not going outside to look at the cruiser |
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Not WOW BAAAAAH! |
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best part on a morning news show they interveiwed the family, they asked how long do you think itll take to get a new dog? they answered we went out and bought one the next day because they missed having a dog around. I beleive it was 101.5.
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When Bell arrived at the scene, he saw the front door open, a broken window next to it and a car in the driveway with its door open, all setting the scene for what appeared to be a burglary in progress, said police Capt. Richard Ivone, the department's spokesman. When Bell saw Brian Colbath and began to question him, Maxie jumped out of the car, barked and growled and approached the officer, coming within one to two feet of Bell and acting aggressively, according to a police report. Reading is fun, you should try it. |
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you serious clark? LE shows up, sees the suspicious scene, starts to engage with an unknown person, dog attacks him before he or any reasonable person can identify the homeowner(possible robber) or the dog, and he is in the wrong??? What was he supposed to do in that situation rather than what he did? I think he handled the situation great. I guess he could have asked the homeowner(possible robber) to hold on a sec why he tries to subdue the dog without hurting it |
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Not true at all. A homeless man in Hollywood FL just last year was charged with "assaulting an officer" when he stabbed a police dog with a screw driver. It didn't happen on the internet, it happened in my county. |
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My prediction based on extensive dog shooting experiences (and city legal)
The lawyer will ask for 5 mil, the city will counter with 5K, the family will accept and the lawyer will get 3K for his fee. This will be concluded by close of business Monday. |
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We're sending you back through paper boy boot camp. |
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Then you should not have any trouble finding the revelant statute then. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_dog In recognition of the valuable role these animals play in police duties and the dangers they face, there have been a number of measures to ensure their protection. These include outfitting dogs with bulletproof vests to protect them from guns and some areas have passed laws that make attacking a police dog a felony (in New Jersey, after a police dog was killed in the line of duty, the NJ General Assembly attempted to pass legislation that would treat the murder of an on-duty police dog as the same as the murder of an on-duty police officer, allowing the state attorney general or county district attorneys to pursue the death penalty). In some jurisdictions police dogs are considered to be police officers in law so that any penalty that can be applied to the assault of a human police officer can also apply to an assault on a police dog. |
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OC only works on dogs not commited to the attack (posturing)...a taser works GREAT.......IF, I REPEAT IF you can hit the dog with it. (reloads are slow and a moving dog is hard to hit with those slow moving probes - it's just compressed air, not gun powder moving those things) A commited dog in the ATTACK will not stop. Hell, I've shot pitbulls with .223 in the attack and it only slightly diverted him....wound up attacking another officer who shot it again and diverted the dog. Any dog trainer, or K9 handler, on this website who is worth his salt can tell you that a dog in attack mode will not be dettered by OC....they will still bite. |
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Dog jumped out of the car genius....read the article. Why couldn't a criminal have a dog in the car? I've pulled over gang bangers that keep pits in the car to deter officers from doing searches. |
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Nope, sorry Wiki is not a definitive source. In legal matters a high school govt class is better. Try the actual statute. Let me help you. An animal is not human, An animal has never been ruled to have the same legal status as a human. A dog cannot be a victim of assault anymore than a sheep can be the victim of rape or a horse the victim of robbery. |
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843.19 Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses.-- Any person who intentionally and knowingly, without lawful cause or justification, causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or death to, or uses a deadly weapon upon, a police dog, fire dog, SAR dog, or police horse commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. |
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Harming a police dog in Florida falls under obstruction of justice Chapter 843. Not battery on a LEO. (chapter 784) |
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The police should be mandated to have training by Postal Carriers who are experienced with------
Wait, maybe that's not such a good idea after all....... |
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Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Show where it states in there that injuring a police dog is assaulting as officer as you claim |
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Is anyone here an expert in gibberish? |
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How about something a bit more legitimate? Maybe the relevant FL statute the homeless guy was charged with? Police K-9's have 'protection' under the law because of the capacity in which they serve - just like firefighters, paramedics, police officers, etc. However, the dog is not 'protected' under the same statute because it is not a human. Brian |
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Maybe you should stop drinking and posting. |
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No, it is not. Attacking, striking, teasing, etc. of police animals usually are covered in a state's laws regarding humane treatment of animals, not Crimes vs. Persons. You know better. |
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$5M wouldn't cover one toe of any of my kids or wife, but $5M for a dog is ridiculously excessive. HH |
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