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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:00:30 PM EDT
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FRONT, the money you save in longer clothes life and less water usage will pay you back many times over.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:03:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:07:48 PM EDT
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Any BRAND NAMES anyone wanna suggest
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:17:45 PM EDT
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Check your spelling of the F-guy's name. He only comes when called properly. I know, I learned the hard way, too!
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:18:27 PM EDT
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I've got the whirpool Duet dryer and front loading washer!!!! Money well spent my water bill dropped as did my elec bill. A conventional top loading machine uses 40 gallons of water from start to finish front loader only uses 15 gallons. A bit more costly but it will pay for it self in no time. Not to mention I've got a load of about 20 bath towels going right now. Try that in a top loading model!!!!
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:19:15 PM EDT
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I just bought a new Fisher & Paykel washer and dryer set from Lowe's. Their top of the line Intuitive models. The washer AND the dryer are both top load. The washer is a high efficency model that does laundry like the front load models, but with FAR fewer parts. F&P has a standard 2 year warranty that I extended to 6 years for $140, while the other manufactures only offer 1 year standard warranties.
The set was $1600 + extended warranty + tax. Lowe's tossed in a $100 rebate, and the local utilities will give me a $100 check because the model meets their criteria for water and energy savings. These rascals work like a charm! But don't take my word for it. The Frige Dr. will probably be along shortly. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:31:32 PM EDT
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I did the math once when I was selling appliances, and the duets would usually have paid for their initial premium price within 3-4 years or so for a typical family of 4 IIRC.
The time saving benefits to me are worth it in themselves, the dry cycle is about the same length as the wash cycle, so that doubles the rate at which clothes can be washed, and they have gigantic capacities, speeding things up as well. I just bought a house, so i am looking at replacing the fairly new set of top loaders that came with the house with some LG front loaders. My Nat. gas rate has spiked 30% last month so it may be a worthy thing to have a washer that works well with cold water, spins at 1000rpm to really wring things out, and a dryer that take only half as long. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:39:12 PM EDT
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I said it before- we have the Sears he4t (now he5t) frigging awesome. unreal how quiet. uses little water. love it.
holds twice as much as our old top loader |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 12:44:48 PM EDT
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So you're saying you think a top loading washer can be as efficient as as front loading washer? Poppycock. Top loading washers typically fill up with water, and your items are completely immersed in water and sloshed around in it. Front loading washers use a small pool of water, and clothes are continuously dragged into it and then lifted out of it, making the water penetrate more effectively. I don't think a top load washer could come close to doing the same thing.  Anyway... when I get a round tuit(R), I'll buy a front loading washer and dryer... for now, my cheap ass rented top loader does fine. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:26:45 PM EDT
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Another vote for the front loaders. They are very efficient, and they do an awesome job. Not to mention you should be able to get some gun parts out of the deal if you make you wife happy with a matching set of Duets.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:29:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:34:54 PM EDT
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I washed a sleeping bag in it yesterday. It is rated to wash a king sized comforter. I suggest you check the facts BEFORE you make your next half baked assertation on the capabilities of a machine that you have NO first hand experience with. This washer does not operate in the same manner as a traditional top load machine. I had the same misgivings that you expressed, but I checked the facts before I made my decision. Don't believe me? Ask Dr, Frige. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:37:34 PM EDT
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Front load, saves on water, saves on gas in the dryer and some water companies give a rebate for buying them. I got $150 in credit to my water bill for buying it.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:40:35 PM EDT
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They are probably more efficient, but when you pull out one thing from a front load washer, everything else comes with it. Major pain in the ass.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:40:58 PM EDT
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I am saying they are as efficient... actually even MORE efficient. The F&P line puts in as much water that is NEEDED. there is NO front seal that molds up like on a front washer, What is that? you dropped a sock bringing the laundry down and now that you loaded your front loader and it is locked you cant add it? After talking to my customers that have the LG line, MOST are disappointed and want to return them back and want to go back to their basic Kenmore or Whirlpool top loaders. One of the servicers even told my customer "Yeah you have to wipe down the gasket every 2-3 loads so it doesnt mold up." Lets see,,, had my fisher & Paykels for 4 years now and had to wipe it down with bleach.... let me see now..... OH!! NEVER! You pay more the second you buy it, you pay more for servicing it. Front loaders are overrated. No thanks....I'll pass. Oh and one more thing. we have no complaints on the washability of the F&P's ... clothes are cleaner than our old Maytag ever gave us. Remember this is what I do and are exposed to every single day. You may feel differently and hey, thats life, Just dont say I didnt warn ya. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:49:45 PM EDT
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We just bought the new top of the line Kenmore front loader from Sears.
One great product. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:52:06 PM EDT
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First RUN from LG... ask your dealer who services them in your area... How many servicers are in your area.. get names and CALL THEM. Ask the servicers, what are the main problems you guys are seeing with them (i.e mold on the gaskets and the units smelling like mold if the washer isnt used for a day or two) Whirlpool would be the better choice in my eyes. I know I sound like a shareholder with F&P but trust me I am not and I have NOTHING to gain if you buy F&P. Go to Lowes and look at them. They are direct drive and have NO transmission. I have been with F&P as a servicer and changed ZERO motors. They just dont fail. I have changed drain pumps. "Harriet Housewife" can change that drain pump in all of 5 minutes if she wanted to with NO tools. I really DO NOT see the fascination with front loaders. I think they are money traps and when you have a 300.00 control board break on a 1500.00 unit, then add tax and installation of about 120.00 you are at 450.00. what are you going to do? fix it without hesitation. But would you plop 450.00 in a 500.00 unit? Servicers know they have you over a barrel when you spend 1500.00 Dont be foolish... it is only a CLOTHES WASHER. Its like these customers of mine that spend 13K on a refrigerator... because it looks nice. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 1:52:47 PM EDT
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top loading FISHER and PAYKEL, love ours! |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:02:27 PM EDT
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From the mouths of babes!!!! 
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:10:14 PM EDT
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I just pulled two baby wash clothes out of a front load machine fri. And in the last two weeks I've replaced 2 bellows (the seal for the door) both leaking and the problems go on.
Go with F&P or the new Whirlpool Cabrio washer it's a modified F&P. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:10:45 PM EDT
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Besides, the tree-hugging enviromentalist-wackos love the low-water front loaders.
That's enough right there for me to use a top-loading, high water model.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:24:56 PM EDT
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Uh oh... then they love the F&P's too... they are water efficient as well. you dont even set a water level... it knows how much to put in. We had 4 towels in the washer... added a washcloth. unit stopped, added about a cup of water more then continued on its merry way. What amazes me is that they are designed and built by Australians!! Dont underestimate them... they are coming up fast in technology... I think they are responsible for Dyson vacuums as well. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:31:50 PM EDT
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Bosch Nexxt 500 front load, very quiet, 2.5yrs, works great, no problems
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:43:01 PM EDT
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We have an Asko front loader, gotta' be 12-15 yrs old. Got it way before they were all the 'rage'. It has survived 2 teen age daughters and the only thing we have had to do is clean out the pump filter basket. No 'moldy gaskets', leaks etc. 11 gal. water per load and spins them almost dry enough to wear.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:46:33 PM EDT
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do front loader spin the clothes as "dry" as top loaders?
I'm wondering because the last time I used a front loader at my MIL house the clothes seemed to be more wet than a top loader when I took them out |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:50:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2007 2:50:55 PM EDT
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 They should come out of a FL dryer then a TL
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:07:55 PM EDT
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F+P for me less electricicy , soap and uses a bit more water than a $1k+ fancy front loader. Check the run time for a load in any front loader vs. F+P, I found that they tended to be 50% to %100 longer than the F+P. DrFrige can you recomend a good gas dryer with a moisture sensor? I am partial to non G.E. Designs (G.E. has a bearing spike in that suports the rear of the drum and expensive strips of plastic in the fornt they dare to call "bearings".) I looked at the F+P front load dryer and it appears to be made/designed by a G.E. contractor. My only advice with the F+P is follow the leveling instructions, as the machie has a 1k rpm cycle to remove moisture. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:14:47 PM EDT
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GREAT OBSERVATION!!!! actually the GE and F&P front load dryers ARE BOTH made by Canco (sp) and I have already replaced the front strips. I would like to replace the dryer with the top load dryer (Yes, they actually make a top load dryer) When I get a killer deal on one. As far as dryers they all have a basic simple design. I like Whirlpool made products and have no complaints as far as they go. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:18:50 PM EDT
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Had a front load that was super energy efficient from Sweeden... HATED it. It used so little water that it would often not get all the soap out....oh wait, you only use a teaspoon of soap and it works just as well
 Then you couldn't stop it mid cycle and let the clothes soak for heavily stained items... You also couldn't add to it once it was going...super annoying to find a sock or pillowcase after you started washing. It was a giant PITA...never again. Top loaders for me. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:20:10 PM EDT
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I have the whirlpool duets
two things I don't like: you can't add another item after the cycle has started. you can't do a proper soaking like you can with a top load. other than that, they're great. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:20:24 PM EDT
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?it was a serious question
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:27:00 PM EDT
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Dr Frige, F&P is actually a New Zealand company, not Australian.
http://www.businesshistory.auckland.ac.nz/fisher_paykel/company_profile.html They're also into manufacturing medical equipment as well. http://www.fphcare.com/ |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:29:52 PM EDT
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Here ya go: Click Me
Energy rating: F&P is at 212 more energy efficient than the Whirlpool Duet which is at 227 Here ya have it: Whirlpool energy rating |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:31:42 PM EDT
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I have the Kenmore Elite HE3s (almost identical to the Whirlpool Duets). While I admit I miss the soaking feature, it's not really been a problem. On balance, leaving the Kenmore top loader and moving to the front loader was one of the best moves we ever made. We haven't regretted the decision for a moment. One of my favorite feature is that we have the dryer stacked on top of our washer. While we already have a largish laundry room, stacking the units gives us that much more room for storage (and I'm all about less clutter). I can't speak to F&P and I'm not even sure they were available when we made our front-loader purchase. Would have been interesting, however, to review them when we bought the new set 3 years ago. Maybe next time... |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:33:58 PM EDT
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You know what... I stand corrected. I know that they have manufacturing plants in NZ, Aus AND US... If you call their customer care center, it directs you to either one of the three centers... just that in my time zone I always get australia. They are always so friendly too. So YES GarethB is right. NZ |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:35:34 PM EDT
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A front loader should spin the clothes as dry as a top loader, but some front loaders have adjustable spin speeds. Perhaps the time you used the MIL's machine it was set to a slower spin speed for some reason. It's also possible to get a single machine that is both a washer and a dryer. Put the clothes in, start the cycle and it wiill wash then dry the clothes. From what I've seen they are usually built to handle smaller loads than conventional washers or driers. I don't know how reliable they are either, Dr Frige mught know more about that. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:37:05 PM EDT
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Just bought front load LG today, $2300.00 for the pair, & that's with tax & 119.00 5 yr warranty for each. - 3.83 cf washer, 7.0 dryer -
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:39:57 PM EDT
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That's what we have and have had no problems with it. Its the best washer and dryer we have ever owned. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:40:28 PM EDT
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LG front loaders x 2 years. You can near immediately add to the washer and continue. No seal mold. I love them and did not even want to buy them. We have saved so much money on water and the dryer. It dries in 30 minutes VS 1.5 hours. Clothes are cleaner and less wrinkles. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:41:34 PM EDT
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Yes, there was one that we did service for called "Equator" They were VERY small and they fit about 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box. I hated working on them that we cancelled the contract. they had bad customer service that I dont subscribe to. I THINK they were made by a company called "Bendix" Unless you get two units, I dont find them to be worth it. The concept is great. make them bigger and there you have it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:44:59 PM EDT
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I just based the purhase on online reports of front-loads. Saw a lot of complaints on the GE's for leaky door gaskets, but everyone seemed to report good service from the direct-drive LG models. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:46:54 PM EDT
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OK so here is my question. Why is it that the customers I have here have the mold issue? I am not calling you a liar, I am just curious. Here are my ideas then. 1. Problem is a local issue (humidity, weather, water) 2. Servicer issue (doesnt know what the heck he is talking about) But then again the customer told me that LG told her the same thing on the phone. Interesting. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:46:54 PM EDT
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Just want to add that the FP also is totally self leveling. I sell appliances and am looking at either those of the new whirlpool cabrios for myself. The cabrios are the biggest right now (4.5 cubic feet). You can do three baskets of laundry in them. Less loads, less water per load, plus spinning out at 1000 or so rpms = lots of money saved.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 3:49:23 PM EDT
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I havent seen the cabrios yet... I should take a ride over to the appliance place... lots of new stuff out |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 4:02:33 PM EDT
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I have the LG front load washer and dryer and am very happy with them, no mold issue with mine. What I didn't like about my old top load washer was the agitator, it would rip collars off shirts and jean jackets.
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Posted: 2/11/2007 4:16:48 PM EDT
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O.K. I've got a few questions in regards to front loaders:
- Do they get the difficult stains out as well as top loaders? Some of the upper end front loaders that I've seen have a "stain treat" button that's suppose to eliminate any pre-treatment (spray and wash, etc) that is common with the use of top loaders. Does the HE soap really work that well? - Has anyone done any tests that prove an HE machine puts less wear and tear on your clothing vs. a top loader? - The whole enegy star rating system seems to be changing so I'm wondering if one should wait till the newer models are fully moved in before we buy. Is it at the end of March '07 that the new standard go into effect and all machines have to be updated with the new labels? I also found a good website that shows which washers go beyond the energy star standard. www.cee1.org I'm trying to see if there really is a cost benefit to paying the up front $$$ that an HE machine runs. We have been running a toploader Kenmore since '96 and it's been fine but its getting worn so if a guy can save some money by going HE over the next 10 years I might consider it. I would also hope to get the 10 years out of one of these HE machines but I haven't seen there track record that convinces me. |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 5:48:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2007 6:47:47 PM EDT
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DR. I want to get an extra pump and valve to keep on hand, you know just in case. MODEL # GWL11, got it foe 472.00 + tax Also call AZ wholesale's scratch and dent to see of that top loader dryer, they had it on 1-22-07. i think it was 600-700? 602 288-3887 ext 40 or 41. ask for Susan. BTW |
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Posted: 2/11/2007 7:15:17 PM EDT
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Well I have a LG front loader and still using a good reliable dryer. We live on a well and septic tank so the low water usage is a good thing for us. Less wear and tear on the well pump. Our leaching field is loaded less with the lower water usage. The soap usage has been cut in half. When we had our leaching field replaced, it was suggested that we get a sock filter put on the output of the old washer. Wife would have to clean out the filter about every two weeks. Now the filter takes a month to load up with the front loader. So, that was enough of a sign that the F.L. does not put as much wear and tear on our clothes. I just asked the wife if she is seeing mold on the door gasket and she said no. I then asked her if the washer smells molding and again she said no.
We are happy with our LG washer. |
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