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Posted: 10/29/2006 11:21:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Is it that slow tonight?
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Posted: 10/29/2006 11:26:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Inattention, Ignorance, Stupidity and the herd mentality.
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Posted: 10/29/2006 11:28:40 PM EDT
[#3]
I think apathy and dislike of politics contributes too. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:02:56 AM EDT
[#4]
Mainly because they are for the most part hidden. I wish on income tax at least they would pass a law that instead of payroll deduction we had to write a check to each .gov entitiy for each tax. Sort of like self employed except a separate check for each tax.
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:22:03 AM EDT
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Income withholding turned every employer in the country into tax collectors, it is the very foundation of our present tax system. The congress will never vote away this abomination. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:29:50 AM EDT
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Well, we could always organize on of these:
 If we weren't shitting ourselves worrying about following 922r regs and the like. Guess those guys back then didn't have much to lose. 
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:33:12 AM EDT
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My dream (while still being realistic):
9% Federal income tax 3% Social Security income tax 3% State income tax (capped at 3% by Federal Law) .5% County income tax (see above) Tax brackets are gone - you pay the same percentage regardless of whether you make $5 or $5 million. Property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes, medicare taxes, vehicle taxes, death taxes, and everything else with the word "tax" in it are abolished. The state income may be a little high at 3%, but they'll need to find a way to finance the extremely underpopulated counties through the state. I don't know how this should be applied to businesses, as I've never been involved in the finances of one. I would think the same as above could be applied to business profits, but not sure. That's it. Municipalities and counties/parish's will have to work together to figure out who gets what. Maybe I'm a bit nieve for thinking this way, but i'm sure that if I am, someone here will point it out. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:43:33 AM EDT
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You're nieve. Not because I disagree with what you're saying, but because I know you. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 2:53:07 AM EDT
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Here are some more
 Accounts Receivable Tax > > Building Permit Tax > > CDL License Tax > > Cigarette Tax > > Corporate Income Tax > > Dog License Tax > > Federal Income Tax > > Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) > > Fishing License Tax > > Food License Tax > > Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax > > Hunting License Tax > > Inheritance Tax Interest expense > > Inventory Tax > > IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax), > > IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax), > > Liquor Tax, > > Luxury Taxes, > > Marriage License Tax, > > Medicare Tax, > > Property > > Tax, Real Estate Tax, Service charge taxes, > > Social Security Tax, > > Road usage taxes (Truckers), > > Sales Taxes, > > Recreational Vehicle Tax, > > School Tax, > > State Income Tax, > > State Unemployment Tax (SUTA), > > Telephone federal excise tax, > > Telephone federal universal service fee tax, > > Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes, > > Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, > > Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax, > > Telephone state and local tax, > > Telephone usage charge tax, > > Utility Taxes, > > Vehicle License Registration Tax, > > Vehicle Sales Tax, > > Watercraft Registration Tax, > > Well Permit Tax, > > Workers Compensation Tax. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 3:08:18 AM EDT
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1) We haven't 'allowed it to continue', we are reducing the 'major' taxes lately... 2) The idea is that rather than getting revenue for all government functions from a single source, some 'tax' or 'fee' money should be taken only from those who use the service it supports... Hunting licenses, for example, fund many state wildlife programs that only hunters use (in theory anyway)... The gas tax is supposed to pay for road work (but unfortunately gets squandered on mass transit, etc).... As for the excise tax, that one is as old as the nation itself... Whiskey Rebellion... President Washington in personal command of federalzed state militia... Remember? |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 3:19:26 AM EDT
[#11]
Most of the direct taxation is withheld from your paycheck.
There would be 100 million screaming citizens with guns in DC if they had to sit down a write a check to the government once a year for 30% of their income. Well, actually, there would be 100 million people in jail for tax evasion..... |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 3:31:21 AM EDT
[#12]
Here is your answer www.fairtax.org
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Posted: 10/30/2006 3:39:16 AM EDT
[#13]
taxes just piss me off living in ohio where number 2 now in the country highest taxes Our taxes here might go down if we where not pissing most of the budget away on welfare and medicaid system think anyone running for office has bought this up NO. Your right we need another tea party
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Posted: 10/30/2006 3:45:47 AM EDT
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Ohio has a billion dollars in the rainy day fund, you should be proud. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:03:46 AM EDT
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35% of what I make goes to the .gov
25% of what I make goes to child support. (with no tax break on it) Gotta love getting to keep 45% of my salary  TXL |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:07:27 AM EDT
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Many people only pay half of the taxes on your list, and are too drunk, high or selfish to care about the rest.
1. Social Security 2. Income tax State and Fed 3. Gas tax 34.5 cents here state/fed per gallon 4. Subsidised goods Milk/Bread/Cheese/Eggs/etc. 5. Sales tax 6. Property tax 7. Vice/Excise i.e. Alcohol/Tobacco/Firearms 8. Death/estate tax 9. Capitol Gains 10. Licenses Driver/Hunting/Zoning/Alcohol services/CCW |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:08:47 AM EDT
[#17]
Don't forget about 12% of it goes to Social Security. THen don't forget all the other taxes you have to pay that are just rolled up into the prices of everything. Keepeing 45% would look GOOD if you REALLY looked at all the taxes you are paying. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:14:30 AM EDT
[#18]
Dude, I hate to burst your bubble... You only get 40%. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:16:20 AM EDT
[#19]
paper cuts... a million little paper cuts....
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:25:28 AM EDT
[#20]
Sure it bothers me. A hell of alot. What can I do about it?
What politicians do you see leading the charge against it? Speaking of politicians, their salaries bug me a hell of alot too. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:44:41 AM EDT
[#21]
I would love to see a flat federal sales tax and no income tax.
Make the illegals pay tax on all the shit they buy. I bet were talking billions of new revenue. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:47:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2006 5:01:15 AM EDT
[#23]
Most of my Senators and Representatives have blocked my email addresses.
They won't discuss ANY issues with me. I'm not going to dress up like an Indian, but I'm ready.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:32:47 PM EDT
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Percentage they envision is too damn high. It also does not fold up Gov agencies it just retask them. "Deck chairs on the titanic". |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:35:26 PM EDT
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Government gets its take in many ways, where some may not pay 1/2 of whats on the initial lists I assure you they make up for the revenue loss somewhere. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:36:29 PM EDT
[#26]
Sounds familiar. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:46:28 PM EDT
[#27]
We could get rid of taxes tommorow if citizens didn't DEMAND services.
No one wants to pay FICA. How many people that are eligibile for Social Security don't cash the checks? No one wants to pay local taxes. How many people repair the road in front of their house, or plow thier route to work, or pay the state college their kid goes to the full amount of what it actually costs fore their child to attend the school? We could get into Courts, police, fire, EMS, jails..................................... etc, if they all went away how many problems would start happening 5 minutes later? Or pay the cost of your kids going to public school, hint it would cost as much as private school etc. If it was pay as you use services, I think you would have troubles with those costs too. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:48:15 PM EDT
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Looks like my budget except for 35% to .gov 25% to child support 11% to provide insurance 7% to cover doctor bills People have no f'n idea how badly guys get f'd in divorce court. For the taxes, I'll go with people are not bothered because they have no idea how much they are paying and everyone else has bought into the 'pay your fair share' paradigm. No one questions the basic idea of taxes any more, no one questions why they are paying so much, every one just shakes thir head and cracks open another beer during another sports program commercial and tries to forget about it in the sea of diversions we have created to keep our minds occupied otherwise known as pop-culture. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:08:19 PM EDT
[#29]
No fucking way should it be 50% of our income. 10% for the church and that also should be enough for all the .gov. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:09:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:10:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Are there more laws or less laws since the US Congress began operations?
More. Tell me why exactly we have a legislature that does nothing but add more laws, and hence more taxes. IMO Legislatures are a piss poor component of government.  
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:14:09 PM EDT
[#32]
You prefer a dictatorship? Get the U.S.S.C. to reinterpit the Commerce Clause and tyhey will not be able to legislate as much. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:18:41 PM EDT
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Not having a legislature does not mean you have a dictatorship. The constitution (ie new laws) can be passed by making admentments to said document by national referedum with 2/3rds needed. If not enough people car to pass it as a admendment to the constitution then its not a law. Courts still interpret, the excutive branch still does its thing and is elected, and the congress can still have oversight functions and budget allocation functions and even sponsor national referendums, but it can't vote new laws. Why do we need more laws as time goes on? Most things are not drastically different now than when they were 150 or 200 years ago. Murder is murder, stealing is stealing. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:26:43 PM EDT
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I can't even imagine the costs of having a fucking national vote on every single law that comes up. Better idea: clean out Congress |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:40:09 PM EDT
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from wikipedia- "In particular, barring major scandal or controversy, about 95% of congressional incumbents win re-election to their seats." Good fucking luck with that. It takes two generation just to get some of these asshaters in Congress to die in office. Then guess what- their fucking wife gets their seat or their son/daughter runs and gets elected merely because of their name. I've finally gotten used to the fact that we live in an oligarchy. Isn't it great that we live a country where the son of a President can become President ? For some odd reason (CORRUPTION), it just doesn't add up. Why spend MILLIONS of dollars to campaign for an office that pays tens of thousands of dollars ? We live in interesting times. I'm waiting for Armageddon and prayin' for the Rapture. It's the only thing that will give the country back to the people who pay for it. Well maybe an asteroid strike, EMP attack, bird flu, military coup, Mexican Intifada. Sorry guys, I'm headin' back to the survival forum to bury my guns with beans and rice.
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:43:34 PM EDT
[#36]
Thats the fucking point, it would be impossible to keep passing bullshit laws that have little impact on the well being of the citizenry. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 2:42:59 PM EDT
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Pretty easy solution. Every single law sunsets in 10 years and must be repassed. No more than 10 laws can be grouped together on one bill.
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