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Posted: 10/28/2006 1:15:45 PM EDT
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/ap_on_go_ot/america_the_bankrupt Must be Clinton's fault |
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Be less problems if they'd stop spending money on stupid pork shit like huge bridges in Alaska, replacing just repaired railroad's in MS, or decommissioning submarines they just spent a shitload repairing.
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As much of a waste as that stuff is, it's peanuts compared to the President's massive boost in Medicare spending and the Social Security pyramid scheme. |
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I got a better idea: What's with this foreign aid BULLSHIT?
I think that money, dolllar, would be MUCH better spent here at home! CJ |
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Is this really news, when our citizens are paying to support foreign nationals, and if they stop, they lose everything and go to prision?
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I would like to see where the libtards are going to cut spending.
Anyone? Anyone? |
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Try Lincoln: Greenbacks, income tax and a national bank. The "Union" Pacific Railroad ring a bell? (The great Northern was bult for less money with no government subsidies. ETA: The Decider has yet to veto ONE spending bill. Maybe he's a libtard. |
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This is pure tinfoil nonsense.
I can just put all the costs on my credit card and everything will be fine. |
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The baby boomers and their healthcare costs are going to be interesting.
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Ok Duke, we get it, George W.Bush has destroyed the country.
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The Federal deficit has been cut in half three years ahead of the plan President Bush put together during the last election cycle. (Presidential Radio Address)
The head of the GAO is just spouting FUD to rake in some nice speaking fees. |
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It's pretty fucking pathetic that we don't have a balanced budget as part of a Constitutional Amendment. |
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My vote goes to Wilson as the president most culpable, Lincoln and FDR tied for second, GWB and Clinton tied for third, mostly for failing to act, and only worse than many others because the problem has gotten worse over the years. A balanced budget would cause a recession, possibly worse. If debt inflation stops our monetary system collapses, and that's the heart of the problem IMO. It's the fault line that runs through every issue, the power using debt instruments as legal tender in payment of debt provides the state. The federal reserve act was passed in 1913, it's not a coincidence that 16 years later there was a depression, and then a new deal. |
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Hahahahaha. Keep dreaming. |
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I'd imagine they would start with saving hundreds of billions of $ by not starting an unnecessary and unjust war |
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$15B pledged by Bush to Africa to fight AIDS. People that I know who work at the CDC said it was the lamest political stunt ahead of the 2004 elections because there is no way Africa was setup to absorb that much money in the given timeframe. They ended up having to recklessly dumping the money to meet Bush's PR driven timeline and much of that money ended up in the hands of con artists. |
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Not the debt. Just the rate at which the debt is growing. |
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The terrorists are too late, the Republicans and Democrats will finish the country off before the Terrorists make any real headway. Oh wait, this is ar15.com, I'm supposed to pretend it's all the Democrats fault.. sorry. |
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+1 |
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Most democracies go through this its just part of a cycle. Voters will continue to elect those who offer them the most benefits and services. Soon the system cannot support these services and then it collapses in on itself. At this point anarchy ensues when the government becomes bankrupt and democracy is replaced with a totalitarian system in which the people agree to exchange their freedom for restored order and basic services. The next few decades are spent fighting to regain democracy and liberal ideas of government. Those who oppose the dictatorship are hunted down and murdered by those in power. However democracy eventually returns as the populace becomes more wealthy, educated and powerful. A healthy Republic is reborn but in time human nature causes its citizens to forget the past and once again vote for those who promise them more. Then the system collapses once again as the promised services and benefits can no longer be delivered, and the cycle starts again. The United States is in the latter part of this cycle, when it will end is not clear, but there will be an end. No state last forever, they all fall eventually, even the most powerful the world has ever seen.
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Could you quote a source? I'm moderately familiar with history, and can't think of a single nation/country that has gone through that entire cycle as you describe it. |
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So you are going to cut defense, I take it. Shitty equipment for the troops and hand outs for the welfare queens. Brilliant. Lets advertise that, shall we? Tell you what. How about you post what Health and Human Services/HUD's budget was for the past year and we will bounce that off defense. Sound like a plan? |
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Don't forget LBJ. |
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What are we, nearly ten trillion dollars in debt?
It's not one presidents fault. It's not one congressman's fault. There is a LOT of blame to spread over a LARGE number of individuals, groups, etc. But the bottom line is correct: Something needs to be done, and soon. |
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I will try to take another look at the article tomorrow, but I was not aware that GAO did independent budget forcasting. I thought that was the job of the CBO (Congressional Budget Office). GAO is like an inspector general for the government acting on behalf of Congress. They do their own research too, but I didn't realize they were getting into budget forcasting in a big way.
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+1 |
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yeah, Medicare D has added something between $700billion- 1 trillion to the national debt & that was a GOP plan (vote pandering) |
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I was thinking the same thing. |
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The politicos are going to avoid addressing the problem and pass the buck on to the next smuck, and of course to the our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. The current retirees are making out like a bandit. They are getting mroe benefits than they ever put into the fund. Me? I hope just hope to get 50% of what I put in at the most. The boomers are going to get screwed.
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Walker is a liberal appointed by Clinton. That is all that needs to be said.
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It's pretty fucking obvious why we don't... With a 'balanced budget' we wouldn't have been able to pay for WWI, WWII the Cold War, etc... Even private business doesn't run on a balanced budget - that's why we have banks, the bond market, etc... Life runs on credit, because the times you NEED money are not allways the same as the times you have it... |
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Yup... Funny how the 'balanced budget' argument is rotating between (D) and (R) as power changes hands... It would be so much better if we just dropped the damn thing, and focused on staying '#1' so that it doesn't matter... As long as the US is the #1 world power, the other countries who own a portion of the debt (a PORTION, because a good bit of it is held by US citizens and corporations - some is held by the government itself, and by the states) can't do anything about it... If we slip back into isolationisim, then the debt can become a problem.... |
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LOL. Not only do I absolutely believe that all these "anti-war" Democratic candidates would CONTINUE fighting this war for the time being (they're just saying what they think the electorate wants to hear), they will dream up all kinds of ways to increase spending even more than the Republicans are doing right now. Like I said. Keep dreaming. |
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Not to mention all the 'operations' they'd gladly participate in - but never for economic interest - modern Democrats only go to war over idealistic intelectual causes in economically & strategically worthless 3rd-world shitholes.... They'll go to war in Darfur, or Congo, Liberia, or Hati... They wish they'd gone into Rwanda... But not Iraq, or Afghanistan... Hmm... |
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Do you mean that without banksters' creation of credit we would all be dead? 1913 was a very bad year. Agreed. Federal Reserve Bank, income tax and direct election of senators. I still don't think it would have happened without Lincoln and his spawn. YMMV. |
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The solution is simple. Kill all the Baby Boomers.
Seriously, there IS no problem.......... as long as anyone will buy US debt instruments. Fiddle away, all you grasshoppers. |
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Ever hear of Rome? ETA: As far as a source, I thought something like this would be fairly well-known, as it's been around for a long time. Here's one permutation of the idea (FWIW the historical validity of the quote isn't 100%, so take it for what it's worth):
Edit2: Again, the idea's been around for a long time. The idea that all bodies politic go through a cyclical pattern of birth, corruption, decay, and collapse has been around since Plato's Republic. |
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1. The head of the GAO is a democrat. 2. The GAO organization has been controlled by democrats for decades now. 3. There never was a breather in the 1990's as it was accounting trickery of greater scale than Enron. 4. Entitlements are the chief cause of the defict and debt. 5. I think we are closing in on 70% of government spending being entitlements but I need to check on that again. |
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+1 Social Security and Medicare are the only two issues. But, no one with a brain in their head could possibly trust politicians to solve this when they're the ones that caused it by spending Social Security surpluses and replacing it with IOUs. We may end up with Socialized Medicine because it will be the only way we can pay doctors minimum wages!!! |
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Sell California to Mexico for $2 Trillion. We'll take payments.
Hawaii wants to be free of the US. Sell them to Japan for $1 Billion. Pull our troops out of South Korea. Let South Korea have a few good years alone with Kim Jong iL. Send the Phode Island Army National Guard to take over Canada and beat it's massive military. In 30 hours after the long battle we'll cut it up and make 8 more States out of it. Whalla.....problems solved. |
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Now THERE is a scary thought. Where the hell did I put my tinfoil... |
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1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; <------ WE ARE HERE 8. From dependence back into bondage I think the part of your theory that people took issue with is the proposed automatic rebirth of the republic. The cycle you described is very similar to what happened in Nazi Germany, except that we had to assist the process with liberal application of high explosives, and trillions of dollars. Even today, they can hardly be considered free. |
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ANdy |
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Not to argue with the above, it's quite compelling in a way but does anyone have a progression list for socialism? 1. Bondage 2. A little more bondage 3. Just a tad more 4. Kids or no kids 5. boys or girls 6. euthanasia 7. good surf for the few. |
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