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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:52:10 AM EDT
[#1]
what about schools and teddy bears?
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:53:42 AM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, THEIR 5.7's can. They get the real ammo.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:54:28 AM EDT
[#3]
What about the Carbon 15? Let me guess the muzzel flash from the pistol will set the neighborhood on fire and make your bullet proof vest itch.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:55:44 AM EDT
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nope passes through metal detectors undetected...much like the vaunted Glock 7. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:57:29 AM EDT
[#5]
5.7 & Carbon 15???
BOTH ARE GAY! |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:58:04 AM EDT
[#6]
No steel in the barrel or bolt carrier? What a technological breakthrough! 
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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:58:49 AM EDT
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Tag to see the warning.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:01:00 AM EDT
[#8]
Fucking morons  10 to 1 the Brady bunch put this out, or gave the info to the LEO's who put this out. I bet they are lucky if they know which end the bullet comes out. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:04:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:05:20 AM EDT
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Because we all know that Johnny Bluntsmoker finds a 5.7 or Carbon 15 in the wrinkled brown paper bag that he buys from Shady Bruh in the park when he goes gunshopping.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:05:25 AM EDT
[#11]
Amazing. I want the entirely synthetic AR
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:06:25 AM EDT
[#12]
Good grief! A CARBINE [PS90] that shoots thru vest....oh no! Are these people serious? Most if not all carbines make swiss cheese out of street-vests. I have a shorty FAL just a little longer than a PS90 and it'll shoot thru just about any vest w/out a "crisat" plate [not sure if thats what they are called]. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:07:41 AM EDT
[#13]
+1 |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:07:42 AM EDT
[#14]
Source? To whom are they sending these alerts?
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:08:32 AM EDT
[#15]
according to markm, Johnny Bluntsmoker must've been pounding Shady Bruh's ringmeat, as only teh gays own the 5.7 or carbon 15 eta: I'm beginning to believe this as well |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:08:40 AM EDT
[#16]
I must have missed that safety bulletin.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:10:54 AM EDT
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It' just a matter of time before someone figured out you can buy pistols chambered for "Armor piercing" .223. One weapons ban bill I saw (Illinois?) banned pistols that could fire "Armor Piercing" rounds and the ammunition making it a felony to own ammo for your Mini 14.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:11:42 AM EDT
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Wait, I thought that a .50 BMG will also penetrate soft body armor. Oh yes, so does a run of the mill 7.62mm NATO, no? And how about the evil evil 5.56? Heck, any of the decent hunting rifle calibers will do you in if you get shot with them and are only wearing soft body armor. It's not like the .300 WSM magically doesn't penetrate a few layers of Kevlar, yeah? Lesson is: Don't get shot, or: Wear rifle plates (the .50 BMG will still do ya in there).
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:11:42 AM EDT
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Its just to help identify the guns, yah their BS to us who know what they are but some dont.. God forbid if their is multipile adversaries their might be certain weapons you wanna take out first..
It wasnt just about the two guns, it was for a bank robbery(?) suspect that was planning on taking out officers if he was caught, he had those two guns in his car.. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:17:29 AM EDT
[#20]
Didn't we hear about this over a year ago?
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:32:29 AM EDT
[#21]
this one came out about 10 days ago, due to a shootout. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:34:37 AM EDT
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LE Intel guys send out stuff like this both internally and to other agencies all the time. Some of it is relevant and some is just put out so whoever sent it out can look like they are actually doing something.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:40:23 AM EDT
[#23]
our tax money at work
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:43:54 AM EDT
[#24]
What shoot out, and what was used? |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:44:53 AM EDT
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And the thing is that when it is just "looking like they are doing something" some media outlet/VPC/anti politician will get their hands on it and run with the story. I can see the news articles now, "Police have to face criminals with armor piercing weapons." It will start something like this:
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:53:45 AM EDT
[#26]
Uses non-metal casings, primers, and bullets as well. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:55:34 AM EDT
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Their officers. Admin disseminates things like "watch out when pulling over Cars from ABC, they have hidden compartments that could be used to hide a gun" Or "Be aware that there are now cell phone guns" etc, etc. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 8:57:55 AM EDT
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You guys do realize they put out these bulletins because the majority of cops do not all the different flavors of guns.
The ones I always found interesting were the pin guns, cigarette pack guns, pager guns etc... |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:05:13 AM EDT
[#29]
There is more metal the Carbon 15 than in my CZ45. Hell I couldn't even get my jean jacket through the metal detector the other day due to the buttons.
Edited for content, Too pathetic to actually respond to. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:18:48 AM EDT
[#30]
The Carbon-15 receiver won't even make it through a metal detector.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:26:46 AM EDT
[#31]
What happens if Rastus and Jorge shoot their Lorcin and / or Raven (sideways, of course since its more deadly) and the .380 ACP bisects the physical plane of the LEO's brain housing group?
Other than it probably being accidental, won't that have 'defeated' his (so-called) 'bullet-proof vest'? Which also is defeated if the round penetrates the femoral, the profunda brachial, or brachial artery, isn't it? Or if the round intersects any portion of the LEO's body not covered by the (so-called) 'bullet-proof vest' and causes a life-threatening wound? Why isn't the Brady Center for Crying Wolf concerned that America's LEO are being deployed on the street with inadequate body armor? |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:27:47 AM EDT
[#32]
Any of the LEO's here actually laid eyes on this warning?
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:31:51 AM EDT
[#33]
I have seen the warning numerous times.
Here is the problem. This pistol was originally marketed by FN in every Law enforcement periodical in the country. They specifically marketed it as armor penetrating and hyped that trait. The ads didn't say with this or that ammo specifically. When they didn't sell a whole bunch to LE, they put it on the open market. However, lets recall that a years worth of marketing it as armor defeating had already stuck. Cops generally don't buy pistols capable of defeating their own armor. Here now we have a pistol that was advertised to us as being able to do just that, on the open market. Most do not care about which ammo will and which won't as the gun was sold that it will. Thus, FN is the victim of their own marketing department. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:39:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:40:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Nope, a link would be helpful. It's probably nothing more than a "wanted" flyer. "Be on the lookout for Joe Crackbag, W/M 05/05/70, 69", 170lbs, Bro/Haz, driving a white 1999 Tahoe LP# 123-GYU, known to be in the area of Crackhead central." "Known to be armed with: (fill in the blank) These weapons are capable of defeating officer's body armor" 
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Posted: 4/10/2006 9:52:56 AM EDT
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"The gun, the Five-SeveN handgun manufactured by FN Herstal of Belgium, is lightweight and easily concealable. IBPO Legislative Director Steve Lenkhart referred to the Five-Seven as "an assault rifle that fits in your pocket.""
WTF? that must be one hell of a pocket! |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 10:02:44 AM EDT
[#37]
Yes, by the legal deifinition the SS196 ammo is not armor piercing. By the definition of what it can actually do, it WILL penetrate soft armor worn by most LE. It has to do with high velocity, and small frontal area, of the bullets. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 10:06:36 AM EDT
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What is more deadly to the average LEO? The Flint lock single shot or the Colt SAA?? It's obvious that the Saa is!! Why oh why in 1871 did'nt people stand up to this deadly weapon! Sure to bear firearms is in the constitution but it does'nt specify WHAT KIND! so let them eat single shot black powders!! think about how many Marshalls in Tombstone were killed when the "multiple round without reload" Evil Single action army flooded the markets! All the opium smokers and Coca leaf whores were going nutz baby! Nutz i tellz ya!
 Oh when will the madness end? 
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Posted: 4/10/2006 10:10:39 AM EDT
[#39]
I've seen the same LEO Warnings. Some are informative and others are borderline retarded - warnings about, for example, obvious Title II weapons marketed AS Title II weapons. Idiots.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 10:21:28 AM EDT
[#40]
yeah but a .22lr with go through most soft armor |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 10:23:48 AM EDT
[#41]
I have a copy of it somewhere. I'll dig around, and post it if I can find it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 10:31:32 AM EDT
[#42]
Yes, and no. Most .22 LR are so light, they lack the momentum to get through. Also the rounds are usually failry lightly consrtucted, and disintigrate rather than penetrate. But a certain percentage will manage to get through. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 11:16:12 AM EDT
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Isn't the legal definition the one that matters, or are we going to play 'spirit of the law, not the letter of the law'? If it doesn't meet the LEGAL definition, so what? .243 will go right through LIII without any problems, but it isn't even considered AP.... |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 12:05:10 PM EDT
[#44]
+87 I don't get the fascination. Although, if I had an endless supply of money to throw around I might pick up a 5.7 after everything else. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 1:05:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Warnings like this come from admin. cops who have kiss-ass important desk jobs, working in the office. They have to write memos so the brass keeps thinking they're geniuses. Some people write these memos just for the sake of wasting paper. Truth is, a LOT of things will penetrate soft body armor ($100 Tokarev comes to mind).
I'll write one for my department - "If the bad guy shoots you in the face, your vest is probably not going to help you - please distribute and brief" |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 3:24:02 PM EDT
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Hey Skippy, take a few breaths before you post. First, .243 is a RIFLE round, it's a straw man arguement. Next, the LEGAL definition of AP, and what will penetrate a fortified target are not always the same. It's one of those things ya just have to live with. Next, I'm sure .500 S+W, and a bunch of other handgun rounds will go through concealable body armor. It's one of those risks of living in a free society. However, it would seem that the 5.7 will be sold more than any of the "exotic" handguns that can penetrate soft armor, .500 S+W .50 Desrt Eagle, etc. Plus the 5.7 has very little recoil, and 20 round mags. Making multiple hits in rapid succesion very possible, unlike the "exotics". Getting misty because LEA's are sharing info about a potential threat LEO's may face is pretty whiney. Getting it? |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 5:52:47 PM EDT
[#47]
Oh the sky has fallen again.
This is now 492 times so far this year. |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 5:56:29 PM EDT
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As I mentioned, the problem is not the guns but the marketing. If the manufacturer had not gone around bragging for a year about the round's armor piercing abilities, then it would even be on the radar. Fact is thats how FN took it to market and cops believe them. They opened this barn door themselves.
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Posted: 4/10/2006 6:02:33 PM EDT
[#49]
I loves me Desert Eagle... |
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Posted: 4/10/2006 6:08:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Any details on the shootout? |
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