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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:40:02 AM EDT
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there's your problem backup, backup, backup |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:40:58 AM EDT
[#2]
I have backups of my important stuff, but I'd rather not buy a new HD if I don't need to. You are not halping. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:43:08 AM EDT
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The Maxtor is your problem. Buy another HDD (Seagate or Western Digital) and load your OS on that then copy all of your files off of the old HDD onto the new HDD. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:43:09 AM EDT
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There's your problem. Install Linux. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:43:12 AM EDT
[#5]
format and try again
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:44:23 AM EDT
[#6]
Check the warranty. OEM drives have 3 years, retail packs have 1. Link
ETA: Download and burn the Ulitimat Boot CD. When you boot from it go to the hard drive utilities and run Maxtor's drive fitness tool. It will tell you what is going on with the drive. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:46:03 AM EDT
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You're probably screwed. With that said...
Any unusual noises from the drive? If it's a mechanical failure in the drive you would normally have noticable unusual noises. BTW, continued (attempts) at use only mean less chance of data recovery if it really is a drive problems and it's not totally gone yet. It's possible that you might have a motherboard problem or problem with the hard drive cable. It's also possible that your power supply is failing and has insufficient power on the 12v to power up the mechanics of the drive, although adequate 5v to power up the motherboard and electronics of the drive (BTDT). Best bet would be to remove the drive in question from the computer and see if the computer will function with another hard drive. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:48:57 AM EDT
[#8]
Maxtor is TEH SUCK!!!111
I had a problem with my Maxtor harddrive after only two years. Every time I turned my comp on it would give me warnings that a faliure was imminent. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:51:56 AM EDT
[#9]
YMMV. I have mostly Maxtors at home, several of which have over fours years spinning by now with only one intermittent problem. We break IBM drives at work with disturbing regularity. And my laptop's Western Digital started dying after just a month. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:52:54 AM EDT
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If all Maxtor drives really sucked, they'd have been out of business years ago. I have several, and I've never had a problem, knock wood. Bashing Maxtor isn't helping here.
Take the drive out of the system and make it a slave drive in a known working system. That way, you can tell whether it's a problem with the drive itself, or if the IDE controller on your motherboard decided to take a dump, if your ribbon cable has a problem, or if it's some other problem. If you can get the test system to recognize it, that would be the time to get all your data off and save a copy just in case. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 9:58:04 AM EDT
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If it gets past the POST(power on self test) and BIOS check and even the Windows screen, the odds of it being a HDD issue is less than a corrupt Operating System.
Try reinstalling XP, it might be as simple as that, it will not "erase" your hard drive. That being said, +1 on Maxtor being POS. I'll never buy another until they fix whatever they screwed up. eta: Did you do any encryption before the fail? |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:00:35 AM EDT
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Try pulling the CMOS battery and resettiing the BIOS.....it may work, and it's easy to do.
if that doesn't work, DL teh Maxtor hard drive utility to check your drive. www.maxtor.com/portal/site/Maxtor/menuitem.3c67e325e0a6b1f6294198b091346068/?channelpath=%2Fen_us%2FSupport%2FSoftware%20Downloads%2FAll%20Downloads&downloadID=22 "The PowerMax utility is designed to perform diagnostic read/write verifications on Maxtor and Quantum hard drives. These tests will determine hard drive integrity. The PowerMax utility is effective on all ATA (IDE) hard drives with a capacity greater than or equal to 500 MB. Maxtor recommends the use of this utility for troubleshooting potential hard drive problems. These problems include, but are not limited to the following: Potential hard drive surface problems (e.g., bad clusters, bad sectors, partitioning/formatting problems, etc.). Drive recognition problems (e.g. hard drive that is not recognized by the operating system). Software removal. Note: PowerMax v 4.21 will not detect ATA or SATA hard disks connected to embedded or add in RAID controllers, NVIDIA Force 4, VIA KT 600 and KT800 chipsets. If the hard disk is connected to an unsupported controller, it will have to be moved to an alternate system, or controller for diagnosis. Please check the PowerMax download page periodically for updates. Beginning March 1st 2005 all versions of PowerMax prior to v4.22 will no longer be supported. Maxtor recommends that you update to version 4.22 before testing your hard disk." BTW IIRC one of the other major mfr's just bought maxtor. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:02:59 AM EDT
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Buy a mac.
you'll never have to worry about viruses or hardware failure again. the new macs coming out will feature ''BootCamp'' allowing mac hardware to run windows xp and the upcoming 'vista' at the touch of a button. macs are about to dominate the industry. stocks just rose 8% today. it's crazy to use pc's.....they are our father's computers. my opinion. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:16:20 AM EDT
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Never worry about viruses? How's that?
I deal with infected Mac's every day. True there are less virii than Windows machines but if Macs get the market share, don't you think the BG's will start tageting Macs more? Of course they will. Windows isn't going anywhere and Macs will not dominate anything. You can bet that if Macs are able to run Windows with the new "BootCamp" you can rest assured that Bill Gates is getting a piece of that action, big time. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:17:49 AM EDT
[#15]
 All hardware fails and when the hardware does fail be prepared to spend a lot more
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:19:22 AM EDT
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Are you seriously trying to get me to believe that Apple has figured out some way to make their hardware failure proof? Because they must have applied that trick after they made my wife's iBook. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:22:49 AM EDT
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My father-in-law had a similar problem once, took me forever to figure it out. When you start the machine, can you hear the HDD spin up or does it just sit there? If it's not spining up at all, you may have suffered a head crash (particularly if it has been moved recently, but maybe even if it hasn't). Just a thought.
CO ETA: Oh, yeah, and Maxtor sucks. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:24:20 AM EDT
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What I would do...
Take your hard drive out of your tower. If you have another computer, or a friend has one, put your hard drive in his machine, but Set yours up as a slave It will usually tell you how with pictures of the jumper settings right on the drive itself. When the computer boots up, it should see yours as a secondary hard drive, bypassing all the Windows O/S stuff. Copy your porn from your old drive, to the new drive, and burn it to a CD. Wipe your computer and start fresh again. I use DBAN to wipe my computers here at work. DBAN link here Good luck! |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:33:47 AM EDT
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They are going to cease to exist soon. www.seagatemaxtor.com/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:40:25 AM EDT
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If it's a Maxtor Calypso drive... you're fucked.
Likely it's toast. You'd have to send it for data recovery, which is $$$$. I hope you had a backup of any critical data. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 10:48:35 AM EDT
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Bullshit. I've been using a Powerbook G4 (my first mac) for about 3 months. I've had 3 separate critical hardware failures. It has the crappy user interface of Linux and all the OS instability of Windows in my experience. FlyNavy, Run the maxtor scan tool on the drive. It's almost certainly screwed. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:09:05 AM EDT
[#22]
+1 |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:11:54 AM EDT
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Dudes, he said the BIOS won't recognize the drives. At that state, you can't install on it. And it's not likely he'll be able to access it as a slave if he gets another hard drive and installs an OS on it. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:16:16 AM EDT
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he said "Oh yeah, now it won't boot. BIOS recognizes the HD, but it won't boot it." download knoppix buy a high capacity usb thumb drive. put the bootable cd in the drive. plug the thumb drive in the usb port. turn the system off. then back on. copy your files to the usb drive done |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:19:16 AM EDT
[#25]
I still vote for pulling the battery first.
(he may not have an exyra box to use for CD and slaving) |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:21:56 AM EDT
[#26]
What are some of the bigger thumb drives? I have a bunch of stuff I really need saved somehow.
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:22:18 AM EDT
[#27]
Fly-Navy, you can try a bunch of tests to make sure, but odds are your hard drive is done for. If you have anything REALLY important on it that you haven't backed up, you might be able to get it recovered for big $$$ at one of the professional data recovery services. Buy a new one and start over again.
No viruses is true, but no hardware failures is complete BS. I've been a Mac geek all my life, and I still use Macs for almost all of my personal computers. But all hardware is subject to the same statistical rules of failure. I've had 2 HD failures in my PowerMac G5, but it's now running fine on a new one. OTOH, my iBook DV has been a tank - no failures or problems of any kind in around 6 years, except for the battery being nearly dead from constant use. BTW, gilfrd, would you mind telling us exactly what viruses you have found on Macs? To the best of my knowledge, OS X has never had any viruses. I think a lot of people would be very interested if you managed to find one. There were a few viruses way back in the 80s and early 90s for the previous generation of the Mac software, but none were particularly malignant, or even network-aware. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:36:53 AM EDT
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1) Check drive jumpers for proper settings
- if jumpers were ok got to step two - if not got to step three 2) Install a new cable and move drive to a different controller - See if the system will boot now, if not go to step three 3) Boot to a windows 98 boot disk - Run the Maxtor drive diagnostic and have it do a destructive write test. (otherwise known as writing zeros to the drive) - If the drive test returns an error, write down the number and call Maxtor for rpl drive (you will also need the drives serial number) - If you finish writing zeros with no errors go to step 4 4) boot to the windows install cd and reload windows (REMEMBER TO PRESS F8 AND INSTALL ANY CONTROLLER DRIVERS REQUIRED AT THE SCREEN THAT ASKS YOU TO DO SO) 5) After you have windows booting move the new cable back to the original controller. - If your windows install corrupts itself again, you have a bad disk controller and will need a new mbd or controller card. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:41:51 AM EDT
[#29]
Jumpers?? I didn't think he had chamged anything....
He should check to see if it's under warranty BEFORE a destructive test |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 11:45:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2006 12:31:07 PM EDT
[#31]
UPDATE!!!
Guys, I'm getting nervous. I moved the bad HD to my other computer, a Linux machine, to see if it would boot. No joy, so I removed it and put the original HD back. Now the 2nd computer won't boot. Does anyone know of any virii going around? Two HD failures in one day, that can't be coincidence. I'm nervous about going out and buying a new HD, for fear that my BIOS is infected. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 12:33:31 PM EDT
[#32]
newegg has alot of stuff link |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 12:42:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Unlikely that your BIOS is infected. More likely that the drive is killing controllers. There's usually a jumper on motherboards that clear settings… Sometimes called the “clear settings” or “clear NVRAM” jumper. You need to set that jumper on both MBDs and see if that fixes the issue. (cross your fingers) |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 12:57:16 PM EDT
[#34]
that was probably your mistake. unless your systems have the same chipset you never want to take the HD out of one system and put it in another... all it does is screw up windows. your best bet IF the HD is good is to try a repair install. go download powermax and run it on your maxtor drive it will tell you if its good or not |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 1:02:27 PM EDT
[#35]
You don't understand, it doesn't even get to the windows boot. It does not boot the drive. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 1:07:53 PM EDT
[#36]
Try this;
1.) Put WinXP CD-Rom in 2.) Boot CD-Rom 3.) Get your self to a DOS prompt, I think they call it recovery console now. 4.) Type this command in "fdisk /mbr" That will clear the MBR incase you fucked it up. MBR can get fucked up when installing a boot loader for anything, Norton, LILO, etc... Sometimes MBR can get messed up by a hard restart and usually gives an error like "Can't find NTLSK" or something similar. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 1:11:20 PM EDT
[#37]
It will not do any "damage". The operating system may become unstable as all get up, but it won't do any damage. The only reason it does that, is because you have not installed any drivers for that system. It's the same thing as installing XP, then using the system before you install drivers. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 1:37:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Power Max said the disk is failing and needs to be replaced. Grrr. I'm testing the other HD now. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 1:55:23 PM EDT
[#39]
You got that ass backwards. Retail package = 3 years, OEM (white box/referbs) have a 1 year warranty. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 1:56:57 PM EDT
[#40]
tag
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:22:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Let the drive cool and see if it doesn't work then. If it does, stick it in the freezer and then do what is posted above to copy whatever data you may not have backed up. Putting drives in the freezer if they stop working when they get warm does work. I've heard of people using USB to PATA/IDE adapters to keep drives in the freezer while removing data. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:32:17 PM EDT
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Nonesense. It only causes problems if it actually boots and starts trying to install hardware drivers for the different hardware in the other system. He's not making it past BIOS probing for disk geometry. Just trying to boot will not cause problems. I've receovered systems from Windows NT 3.51 to Win2K3 systems that way when hardware has failed. And we're talking in cases where the new system has hardware that wasn't supported in a legacy OS. I did this exact thing when one of my customers had their NT 4.0 PDC go down because someone yanked a power cable while the machine was up and fried the motherboard. I put the disk in a new HP desktop and booted it up. The only hardware I had to get working was a NIC driver, which I found on HP's site. Either way, moving the hard drive from one machine to another is not going to cause a problem unless the drive is killing drive controllers (I've never seen it happen in 13 years of x86 hardware experience), which is the kind of problem he's describing. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:32:20 PM EDT
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Dude, as I mentioned in a previous post, if his BIOS won't recognize the drive, as he said, the OS repair/install WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO SHIT. It is my PROFESSIONAL opinion that his drive is fuct. Resetting the BIOS/clearing the NVRAM is a good idea. Fly_Navy, it's easy. Unplug power from the computer(s), find the CMOS battery on the motherboard (the watch battery). Pop it out for about 10 seconds or so, put it back in, plug the computer back in, and then go into the BIOS, set the date and time, and see if it recognizes the drive. ALSO... IF THE DRIVE IS A MAXTOR CALYPSO, THROW YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR AND GO BUY A NEW DRIVE. THE ABOVE IS MY PROFESSIONAL INPUT. YES, I GET PAID TO TROUBLESHOOT AND FIX SHIT LIKE THIS. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:36:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:40:54 PM EDT
[#45]
i'll let the expert from texas take over here  |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:42:47 PM EDT
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This Boys and Girls, is why we have RAID 5! Spring for a network storage device like the terabyte in a box that runs RAID 5 and backup all your systems there. They are a bit pricey but can save you a lot of money and heartache in the long run.
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Posted: 4/5/2006 3:45:12 PM EDT
[#47]
I have. It's rare, but it happens. I'd be more inclined to think it screwed with resource allocation in the BIOS. Thus thinking resetting the BIOS/clearing the NVRAM via the CMOS battery would help. The other night, I was trying to connect a USB cable to my newly built PC, but upon trying to shove it in the socket on the back, the machine shut off on me. I get a closer look and the port isn't a USB port, it's got four pins sticking straight out of it... with three actual USB ports around it. The machine wouldn't POST. I thought I'd fryed my system board. Then I pulled the CMOS battery, and voila, she POSTed. Got back into the OS in a matter of minutes. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 5:11:40 PM EDT
[#48]
umm... no, actually you don't. How can I be so sure? There was A virus released for mac a while back ~ nobody got infected! The architecture simply doesn't allow a virus to spread. Targeting or no, it's simply not really a risk to using a Mac. |
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Posted: 4/5/2006 6:57:11 PM EDT
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this is the reason i rarely respond to these threads anymore. Too many professionals that just end up arguing and confusing the hell out of the poor bastard trying to fix his machine
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Posted: 4/5/2006 7:03:47 PM EDT
[#50]
we all know who the real expert is 
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