Amnesty for 12 million illegal aliens, out of control spending, ignoring the base, destroying the reputation of the party and the future of the United States.  35% approval for Bush and a 9,000,000,000,000 debt ceiling.

Out of control, ineffective, destructive. The Republicans have lost it. Amnesty is only the latest manifestation. There is a cancer on the party and it must be excised or conservatives have no future. Gun rights have no future.

Drastic action is required. The Republicans must lose Congress in 2006 or we'll continue down this road, McCain will get the nomination, and in 2008 we will have President Hillary Clinton and a Congress controlled by the likes of Schumer, Kennedy and Feinstein.

We MUST remind the Republicans how far off course they are now to salvage the party. 2 years in the desert will clear their collective head. Americans can be reminded what Democrats do when they are in power. Bush can salvage his legacy by USING THAT VETO PEN for a couple years.

Importantly, it will force the Democrats to come out of the closet two years earlier than they want. Hitlery won't have the control she wants of the Democratic message. Democrats will peak too soon. All the pie in the sky bullshit they'll promise in 2008 will have to be real world road-tested before everything is on the line for conservatives.

Republicans need two years to contemplate what serving corporate and Neocon interests has done to the party. Power is the only thing they love lately. Loss of power is the only way they'll listen.

If we stay on this course, more damage will be done. The Republicans are about to legalize 12 million illegal aliens. They will profoundly shift the balance of power to Democrats. It is no mystery what uncontrolled illegal immigration does to a place. Look at California.

We are looking at McCain or Giuliani now. Both those options suck for gun owners and conservatives. We need to shake things up and have the powers that be in the Republican Party try again.

A particularly vicious trip to the woodshed in 2006 is the last chance for the Republicans. It would be better to have them get a swift kick and wake up now, then wait until 2008 when Hitlery takes it all.

A conservitive revolt is all well and, good.....But
if there's to be a true revolution you better prep for 8-12 years of
liberal control of congress, because if we
fragment the GOP, the Dems will have a good shot,
desipte thier best efforts to kill off thier party.

You do realize that incumbants have a 90%+ re-election rate, don't you?  If you want to give the Republicans a message by voting the Democrats control of Congress, you might as well kiss our guns rights goodbye permanently - because we won't get them out of office for another 60 years.  Stupid, utterly stupid.  If you really want to change something, take the tinfoil beenie off your head and get involved in the primary process.  That is where we determine whether there is a RINO or real republican.

I live in a competitive district with a (R) in office now.

If they pass illegal amnesty he will pay the price. I don't give a shit if the leadership allows him to CYA by voting against it. He will pay.

You "stay with the party" folks are why we are looking at amnesty for 12 million and a continued tidal wave of illegals. They take gun owners and the base for granted.

A conservative third party would be great. The Repubicans in their present form are not worth saving. This is how you change the party.

Call them about amnesty. See if they listen.

Putting the Dems in congress will be the end of our firearms.  So, not only will we have the illegals running around here in gangs, but we will have no way to protect ourselves.  The republicans know Bush has fallen off his rocker and are somewhat distancing themselves from him.  All this crap right now is still better than anything Clinton did.

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Mocking handicapped Boy Scouts? You Neocons are truly scum.

The present Republican Party delivers traitorous crap like this but deserves your vote?

The McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill
By Rich Lowry

May 27, 2005


This bipartisan deal cut by Sen. John McCain is noxious. No, the issue isn't judges. (Or campaign finance, or health care, or any number of other things.) It's illegal immigration and a proposal that has just been cooked up by the Arizona maverick and the Massachusetts non-maverick Sen. Ted Kennedy to grant an amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants.

    Under the bill, illegals would have to work in the U.S. , which they are already doing, for six years as legal temporary workers, then they would be eligible to apply for green cards. Also, a new category of guest workers would be created who would work here for four years, then be eligible for green cards. This category will likely bring another 400,000 (and probably more) foreign workers a year into the country.

McCain and Kennedy argue that their legislation isn't an amnesty because illegals have to pay a $1,000 fine prior to becoming temporary workers and another $1,000 before getting their green cards. But an amnesty with a small fine is still amnesty. Mark Krikorian of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies calls the fine, in effect, a retroactive smuggling fee paid to the U.S. government. The bill could make illegals stand on one foot and wave their arms before becoming legal, but it would still be an amnesty.

It applies to any illegal with a job, and to his spouse and children. There are roughly 10 million to 11 million illegals. Of them, 6 million to 7 million are employed, and the rest are generally spouses and children.

We've been here before. A 1986 amnesty gave 2.7 million illegals green cards. The law spawned massive fraud. A man who would go on to be one of the terrorists in the first World Trade Center bombing, an Egyptian cabdriver working in New York, was legalized under the law as a farmworker.

The 1986 law caused a huge spike in the flow of illegals. It sent a message of tolerance for lawbreaking, and would-be illegal Mexican immigrants had an important toehold in the U.S. in the form of their newly legal friends and family. Today, the illegal population is double what it was in 1986, and an estimated 800,000 new illegals come every year.

How did such disastrous legislation pass? 1986 was one of the great bait-and-switches of all time. The amnesty came upfront, and the enforcement was supposed to happen later.

It never did.

The McCain-Kennedy bill has the hallmarks of continuing in the tradition of the 1986 legislation. The Department of Homeland Security has already started a program for employers to check an online database to see if a prospective employee is legal. McCain-Kennedy would tell the Social Security Administration to start the program from scratch. Oddly, it gives the job of auditing companies to ensure that they aren't hiring illegals to the ineffectual Labor Department instead of the perhaps slightly less ineffectual immigration service at DHS. A lot of it seems intended actually to handcuff DHS enforcement people, says Krikorian. The rest of the enforcement provisions are a mishmash of calls for reports, coordination plans, advisory committees; in other words, the usual dodges when politicians want the public to think they are doing something they don't want to do.

The legislation stipulates that it doesn't grant state and local police any more authority to enforce immigration laws, but it goes out of its way to include language about securing Mexico's border with Guatemala. This bizarre concern reflects a concept, bandied about by the Bush administration as well, called the "North American security perimeter." It holds that we can all be one happy North American family, and the U.S.-Mexico border won't matter so much, if only we can keep those pesky Central Americans (and others) out of Mexico.

Of course, we should keep our focus about 1,600 miles north of the Mexico-Guatemala line, at our own border. The first step is defeating McCain-Kennedy.

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maybe someone at the RNC needs to read the history of the Whig Party.  It can happen to the Repubs too...