Militia Laws? - AR15.COM

Posted: 3/28/2006 4:55:27 PM EDT

Where can I find good info on the laws about Militias, as in starting and orginizing one?

I would like to start up a militia here to help out with Minutemen Militia and help locate and inform where Illegals are at.

If the new law passes making it a Felony, it would be nice to help out (actually do something) and help stop criminals.

Posted: 3/28/2006 4:58:35 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:01:47 PM EDT

[#2]

Required reading

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 3 in particular

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:04:01 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:04:55 PM EDT

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Very old but still useful info

Where is the Authority for Militias?
by Gregory Allan
This nineteenth day of the tenth month, in the year of Our Lord Jesus, the Christ, nineteen hundred ninety-six.

I've been wondering about militias. What are they really, and where is the authority for them to exist?

This is not just a casual curiosity. Since October of 1994, I've been a member of the Michigan Militia, Wolverines. During most of this time, I've commanded the Second Brigade in Lake county. Being a lawful Christian, I believe it is important that my actions are lawful and just. Therefore I have given much thought and study to this subject, which I would now like to share.

Militias have existed since the beginning of time, and are well documented throughout the history of America. Although most people have thought militias to be a thing of the past, militias have been with us all along, waiting unseen in the background.

In the last few years many new militias have been formed, and almost every day there is some mention of a militia in the news. The recent information expansion has contributed to this in several ways. Just as news of any plane crash, no matter how far away, is printed in every paper across the country, news of militias sells a lot of newspapers.

Copy machines, fax machines, and now the internet contribute to news about militias. These new technologies are difficult, if not impossible for the governments to control. A greater measure of the truth is now conveyed to the public than ever before.

One of the few things that gets more press coverage than militias these days, is political graft and corruption. Is it any wonder that membership in militias is swelling, as people lose faith in the integrity of government? While the government controlled press does its best to make people fear militias, government agencies such as the highway patrols, IRS, BATF, and scores of other alphabet soup agencies see to it that people fear government more. The press paints militia members as anti-government, but each day it becomes plain to a growing majority that it is the elected officials who are anti-lawful-government; the militias are in favor of lawful government, and the removal of corrupt officials.

Are militias lawful?

If militias are to gain respect amongst the people, they must do more than just act lawfully, and help their neighbors. Like it or not , they must be able to justify their existence within the law. Militia members have gathered many references and quotes from historical documents which they believe justify the existence of the militias. I have read these references, and I agree that militias can be lawful. But I've always had a nagging doubt as to whether the many militias of which I have written above, including the one of which I am a member, has been lawfully formed.

Everything I've seen regarding the militias and how they are viewed in law indicate that militias are subject to the civil authority. There are good reasons for this, chief among them the safety of the people, by assuring that the militias do not usurp authority not delegated to them. But what about those who say that militias are formed to assure that the governments do not usurp authority they do not have? These people will tell you that the militias cannot possibly submit to unlawful de facto governments, for that would defeat their very reason for existence.

Governments and militias exist through authority delegated by the People. Those who claim that militias were replaced by the National Guard must reckon with Article I, Section I of the constitutions for most states, including Michigan: "All political power is inherent in the People."

Who are the People?

To answer that question, we must first understand that all governments, from township to county, state to national; even private families, are jural societies. The citizens of those governments, are their members. Black's Law Dictionary, sixth edition, defines jural society as, ". . . used as a synonym of state or organized political community."

All governments in some way provide for a protective (and enforcement) arm, which interacts with their citizens. If a small local society, like a township, has no constable of its own, the county sheriff fills that void by consent of the local citizens. If that township or village is not satisfied with the actions of the sheriff, its alternative is to hire its own constable. When this happens, the constable may prohibit the sheriff from exercising any authority within the constable's jurisdiction.

That happened earlier this year in the Village of Luther, right here in Lake county. The village council hired a constable, and ordered the sheriff and his deputies to stay out, which they do, unless invited in by the constable, or the village council.

This concept, which is sometimes called "home rule", has its foundations in the common law upon which the American colonies were organized, and is recognized by the laws of Michigan, and most other jural societies. For example, a computer search of Michigan Compiled Laws Annotated for the phrase "home rule", returns four hundred thirty-nine references.

If my reasoning is correct thus far, then we can see that it is lawful for the citizens of any jural society to provide for its own protection. Black's Law Dictionary, sixth edition defines "militia" as, "The body of citizens in a state (read jural society), enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army."

If we can trust this definition, then the members of today's militias must be citizens of some jural society. Are they? If so, then which one?

Most of the militia members I know, would never claim to be a citizen of the de facto (unlawful; force without authority) societies. Many claim to be citizens of a de jure (lawful) state, such as Michigan state, as opposed to State of Michigan, but as yet none of these people have been able to identify the officers of these alleged states, or demonstrate proof of such a state's existence. Others do not recognize any difference between state and State, and will even claim to be U.S. Citizens, thereby stating that they are residents (slaves) of the District of Columbia, or one of its possessions.

If militia members cannot even agree upon which jural society they are a part of, then how can their militia fall within the definition of a lawful militia? Two neighbors with a private agreement to protect each other's property is one thing, and may be easily viewed as lawful. A scattered group of dissidents, with no law common between them, who carry guns, assign ranks for officers, and meet for the purpose of discussing alleged conspiracies, is quite another. Such a group may easily be construed as a band of thugs, or worse.

Speaking from experience, I know that most militias in America have been formed by good Christians, who have only the intention of protecting their families from government gone criminal. How can these good people lawfully organize together to protect themselves, and avoid being branded as thugs?

Enter the Christian Jural Societies

The early American colonies, as well as all governments, were jural societies. Most of the the colonies were based upon Christian Scriptural Law and were, therefore, Christian jural societies. Until recently, this concept had been forgotten. "The first modern Christian jural society was formed in the back of a printers' shop in 1994, in Los Angeles, California, and is known as The First House of Delegates. It was started by about forty men and women who experienced the usual difficulties of starting from scratch, but, there was enough early progress to maintain interest. . . . as of December '95, thirty-two of fifty-eight California counties had formed pro tem jural societies with five others in a preliminary stage. Tulare county has already held its first lawful public election of officers and is now the only de jure form of government in California. By June of 1996, it was estimated that there were approximately three hundred Christian Jural Societies in thirty-two states." 1

Christian Jural Societies have taken the law reform movement by storm. The Christian Jural Society Press now has a handbook called The Book of the Hundreds, which contains a turn-key manual on the how-to of starting a Christian Jural Society from the ground up.

As shown in The Book of the Hundreds, Christian Jural Societies become lawful political bodies by defining their law (the Holy Scriptures), setting qualifications for members (Christians, not registered to vote in the de facto governments), and then holding public elections.

Public elections?

In America, the offices of constable and sheriff are traditionally elected. Since those offices hold extraordinary powers, there is a high potential for abuse of those powers. The oath of office binds the office holders to the will of the citizens, but it is the public election that is a regular barometer of public satisfaction.

Public elections are the most important part of becoming a lawful jural society. Just as all governments have offices filled by its citizens, a Christian Jural Society establishes offices and fills them from its citizens, or members. Membership must be open to anyone who meets the qualifications set by the society, and who wishes to become a member. Elections are published well in advance, so that notice is given to all who may be concerned.

In a lawful jural society there is no such thing as a secret ballot. Satan, the father of lies, is famous for keeping secrets. God does everything in the open, and so should we. Results of elections are published with the names of all the electors, and how each one voted.

Who votes for Militia Commanders?

In most militia brigades, and particularly in the Michigan Wolverines, the members elect their commander by popular vote. As stated above, the brigade members are made up of people from a varied cross-section of the community. They are not members of the same jural society, they do not all claim a common law, and the elections are not published outside of the individual brigade publications. Given what we have learned, does the militia commander hold any lawful office? I believe the answer is no. The office of militia commander can only have significance within the militia organization, much like a private club.

The time has come for the militias and the law reform people to come together. Last month I attended an informal council meeting with most of Michigan's militia and law reform leaders present. Those attending resolved to use their influence, "To provide for the support and common defense of the groups represented by those present, and to establish an efficient means of communication between said groups, for the purpose of re-establishing self-government."

I believe that the best means of achieving that goal is to begin immediately forming Christian Jural Societies throughout Michigan, and the rest of America.

Who will command the militias?

Christian Jural Societies, as with any other state, will naturally require militias. How those militias will be organized and controlled must be necessarily left up to each society. If a society chooses to follow historical precedent, then it might elect a chairman or president. That office would, during times of emergency, be the commander-in-chief over the militia for the society. The elected constable would be the executive officer for the brigade, and would be responsible for most of the brigade's daily functions. Elections held publicly will confer lawful authority upon those offices.

As with any state, most citizens of these jural societies may be called upon to participate in the militia if necessary. These citizens may then be deputized by the elected authorities in their state, and carry lawful authority if called into service. Regular training will continue as it does now, to prepare for any possible contingencies.

Organizations like the Wolverines, will remain much as they are now: essentially, clubs organized for the purpose of educating people in the arts of defense. Treaties may be made amongst jural societies for the common defense, and through those treaties the societies may well choose to preserve the Wolverine's command structure. Membership will be made up of elected officers, and deputies. These organizations will be heavily relied upon by the elected officers of each society, who will be grateful for the training mechanisms already created and maintained.

Public relations.

Public relations is very important to militias, and law reform movements alike. We all know how important it is to wake our neighbors from their slumber. Every militia member I know has spent a lot of time recruiting. "When we have the aid of the majority and the enemy loses its federations, . . . [t]he enemy will frighten and be unsure of how to defend." 2

Militias are an easy target for the media. It is very easy to convince the uninformed, that a group of people in camouflage, carrying guns, may be dangerous. Once convinced of this, most people have little interest in what a militia member might have to say.

Jural societies are much harder to slander. When they are lawfully created, there is little or nothing that can be said about them which will do more than make the public curious. More importantly, the jural societies can give lawful covering to the militias, which must survive in order to give the people of those societies covering in times of emergency.

Those of us who are members of the several militias know that the state of world affairs is seriously bad. I believe that the plan outlined herein is the best course of action available. Only with God's help will we prevail, and His help comes only to those who follow His law.

Everyone who is as enthusiastic about this idea as I am should begin by obtaining a copy of the Book of the Hundreds. Send a postal money order for forty-dollars, to:

Randy Lee
c/o General Delivery
Canoga Park Post Office
Canoga Park, California

I am also willing to help anyone in Michigan who is interested in setting up lawful Christian Jural Societies. You may write to me as follows:

Gregory Allan: Wood
c/o General Delivery
Tustin Post Office
Tustin, Michigan

Or contact me by email, at: [email protected].

May God Bless us all, and grant us the wisdom to see His truth.

1. The Book of the Hundreds, by John William, Randy Lee, John Joseph, and the Staff at the Christian Jural Society Press.
2. SUN TZU, The New Translation - THE ART OF WAR, by J. H. HUANG

Common law copyright 1996, by Gregory Allan.
Permission granted to copy, reproduce and publish freely, on condition that reproduction is done in full, including this notice, and that no changes are made.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:07:06 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

So a generic word that means different things to different people is cause enough not to support the security of a free state ?

Doesn't take much to discourage you does it ?

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:09:23 PM EDT

[#6]

Very intresting post.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:11:02 PM EDT

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I notice the recruiting section has nothing listed for the Northwest.....

Hiya Strat!

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:11:14 PM EDT

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first to God, from Whom we acknowledge the Authority of all Rights,

I support the cause, i agree with what they are all about, but i refuse to be a part of an organization who automatically assumes that its members are christian, or believe in god

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:13:10 PM EDT

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a local guy from my hometown went to arizona last summer to help with the minuteman ordeal, he said it was a disgrace, you couldnt look at the illegals wrong, touch them, talk to them or anything, all you could do was call the police. He said there were lawyers waiting for anyone who messed with them and they would get prosecuted. How could someone w/o citizenship prosecute an american citizen....???

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:16:44 PM EDT

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first to God, from Whom we acknowledge the Authority of all Rights,

I support the cause, i agree with what they are all about, but i refuse to be a part of an organization who automatically assumes that its members are christian, or believe in god

Then why would you claim to be an American? The founding fathers were Christian and believed in God.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:18:53 PM EDT

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Then why would you claim to be an American? The founding fathers were Christian and believed in God.

that's fine, and i never said i have any problem serving side by side with christians, but the founding fathers realized the value of keeping religion out of your organization and it has served our country well for 230 years.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:19:46 PM EDT

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first to God, from Whom we acknowledge the Authority of all Rights,

I support the cause, i agree with what they are all about, but i refuse to be a part of an organization who automatically assumes that its members are christian, or believe in god

Don't use U.S. currency then because it has IN GOD WE TRUST on it.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:20:21 PM EDT

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Then why would you claim to be an American? The founding fathers were Christian and believed in God.

I consider myself christian and I still have to

at that comment. What you are saying is that if you aren't christian, you aren't American?

Harumph

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:35:04 PM EDT

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first to God, from Whom we acknowledge the Authority of all Rights,

I support the cause, i agree with what they are all about, but i refuse to be a part of an organization who automatically assumes that its members are christian, or believe in god

Then why would you claim to be an American? The founding fathers were Christian and believed in God.

Really? Thats funny because....

Thomas Jeferson wrote

Christianity neither is, nor ever was apart of the common law.

Christian creeds and doctrines, the clergy's own fatal inventions, through all the ages has made of Christendom a slaughterhouse, and divided it into sects of inextinguishable hatred for one another.

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies

In every country and in every age the priest [any and every clergyman] has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

John Adams wrote...

It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven...

Abraham Lincoln, although not a founding father, wrote...

Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate.

Yes these men were christian, but dont be so naive and ignorant to think our country was only founded on christian principals. There was much more to it then that.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:36:19 PM EDT

[#15]

Tag.

-K

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:38:31 PM EDT

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first to God, from Whom we acknowledge the Authority of all Rights,

I support the cause, i agree with what they are all about, but i refuse to be a part of an organization who automatically assumes that its members are christian, or believe in god

Then why would you claim to be an American? The founding fathers were Christian and believed in God.

Really? Thats funny because....

Thomas Jeferson wrote
Christianity neither is, nor ever was apart of the common law.

Christian creeds and doctrines, the clergy's own fatal inventions, through all the ages has made of Christendom a slaughterhouse, and divided it into sects of inextinguishable hatred for one another.

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies

In every country and in every age the priest [any and every clergyman] has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

John Adams wrote...
It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven...

Abraham Lincoln, although not a founding father, wrote...
Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate.

Yes these men were christian, but dont be so naive and ignorant to think our country was only founded on christian principals. There was much more to it then that.

thanks! i needed some backup on that stuff

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:43:25 PM EDT

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The NMS was adopted by a super majority vote, the majority wanted the word God so it was included, but it makes NO demands as to faith.

The NMS is a guide line for every American in what ever state they live in to work together without being centralized.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:44:42 PM EDT

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The militia is every able-bodied man willing to come together with other able-bodied men for the common defense.

Organized militia COMPANIES are what have been demonized in the past 20 years or so.

The militia in the first sense of the word was deliberately discouraged by the Federal government in the 1910s or so with the Dick Act.

eta: We now have what many of our founders feared: a select militia under the ultimate authority and command of the Federal Government.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:48:31 PM EDT

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Then why would you claim to be an American? The founding fathers were Christian and believed in God.

Wow. That was an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Ah fuckit. To hell with ye all.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:50:49 PM EDT

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The militia in the first sense of the word was deliberately discouraged by the Federal government in the 1910s or so with the Dick Act.

And they've been dicks ever since.

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:56:30 PM EDT

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The militia in the first sense of the word was deliberately discouraged by the Federal government in the 1910s or so with the Dick Act.

And they've been dicks ever since.

well, as we all know, ever since 1910, the gov't has been completely competent and capable of handling the country's affairs and does not need civilians to keep it in check

Posted: 3/28/2006 5:59:59 PM EDT

[#22]

Want to be part of a militia company? Well, first off gotta meet the 300lb minimum. Then you need some gunshow surplus BDU's and an SKS. (Don't forget the $8.99 Chinese scope)

It'll really help if you are an alcoholic or socially inadequate

BTW: Don't forget the colonel insignia on those BDU's (they look like little birdies)

Posted: 3/28/2006 6:02:05 PM EDT

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The militia in the first sense of the word was deliberately discouraged by the Federal government in the 1910s or so with the Dick Act.

And they've been dicks ever since.

well, as we all know, ever since 1910, the gov't has been completely competent and capable of handling the country's affairs and does not need civilians to keep it in check

The government used to accept volunteer regiments. Thats the closest analogy I can make to these modern day militia companies. Heck, wasn't the Rough Riders under T.R. a volunteer regiment? And that was for the Spanish American war for Pete's sake!

Posted: 3/28/2006 6:05:27 PM EDT

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Want to be part of a militia company? Well, first off gotta meet the 300lb minimum. Then you need some gunshow surplus BDU's and an SKS. (Don't forget the $8.99 Chinese scope)

It'll really help if you are an alcoholic or socially inadequate

BTW: Don't forget the colonel insignia on those BDU's (they look like little birdies)

if you meet those requirements, do they tell you the secret jerky recipie?

Posted: 3/28/2006 6:08:20 PM EDT

[#25]

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Want to be part of a militia company? Well, first off gotta meet the 300lb minimum. Then you need some gunshow surplus BDU's and an SKS. (Don't forget the $8.99 Chinese scope)

It'll really help if you are an alcoholic or socially inadequate

BTW: Don't forget the colonel insignia on those BDU's (they look like little birdies)

if you meet those requirements, do they tell you the secret jerky recipie?

Don't know, but they do have a thing for stealing lunchmeat.

Posted: 3/28/2006 6:24:03 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Turns me off pretty quickly as well. I wish I could find a decent "shooting/camping" club around here but in my experience most are all about the talk and not about the real purpose.

Posted: 3/28/2006 6:35:29 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Turns me off pretty quickly as well. I wish I could find a decent "shooting/camping" club around here but in my experience most are all about the talk and not about the real purpose.

Start your own, keep it small, 4 men seems to work best add together as many 4 man teams as you wish for field training exercises or actual emergencies.

This system has been used succesfully for years, it has not grown big because the threat was just not that serious yet, but now as America gets closer to illegal alien insurgency people are seeing the necessity to prepare for the clear and present danger.

Posted: 3/28/2006 7:29:09 PM EDT

[#28]

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Turns me off pretty quickly as well. I wish I could find a decent "shooting/camping" club around here but in my experience most are all about the talk and not about the real purpose.

Start your own, keep it small, 4 men seems to work best add together as many 4 man teams as you wish for field training exercises or actual emergencies.

This system has been used succesfully for years, it has not grown big because the threat was just not that serious yet, but now as America gets closer to illegal alien insurgency people are seeing the necessity to prepare for the clear and present danger.

Can you give examples where ~~drinking buddies~~ militias used their 4 man teams in situations where they were "succesfull." Just curious.

Posted: 3/28/2006 7:34:30 PM EDT

[#29]

tagzorz

Posted: 3/28/2006 7:42:45 PM EDT

[#30]

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a local guy from my hometown went to arizona last summer to help with the minuteman ordeal, he said it was a disgrace, you couldnt look at the illegals wrong, touch them, talk to them or anything, all you could do was call the police. He said there were lawyers waiting for anyone who messed with them and they would get prosecuted. How could someone w/o citizenship prosecute an american citizen....???

Because corrupt judges make up the law as they see fit. Most of the time to fit their socialistic corrupt agenda.

Posted: 3/28/2006 8:00:49 PM EDT

[#31]

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Turns me off pretty quickly as well. I wish I could find a decent "shooting/camping" club around here but in my experience most are all about the talk and not about the real purpose.

Start your own, keep it small, 4 men seems to work best add together as many 4 man teams as you wish for field training exercises or actual emergencies.

This system has been used succesfully for years, it has not grown big because the threat was just not that serious yet, but now as America gets closer to illegal alien insurgency people are seeing the necessity to prepare for the clear and present danger.

Can you give examples where ~~drinking buddies~~ militias used their 4 man teams in situations where they were "succesfull." Just curious.

Stratiotes made a staement in the Wa home town forum about the CDA, ID militia going into LA during the Rodney King Riots and repelling the rioters from the white neighborhoods. (LMFAO). I'm sure Strat can give you lots of other examples. And they would be facts too, beacsue he heard it from a militia dude who heard it from another milita dude that some militia dudes in the NW or Texas kept the UN from invading from Canada or Mexico........ You get my point.

Posted: 3/28/2006 8:05:13 PM EDT

[#32]

The law regarding the Militia is United States Code..USC Title 10, Section 311.
Do a search.

Posted: 3/28/2006 9:18:26 PM EDT

[#33]

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The law regarding the Militia is United States Code..USC Title 10, Section 311.
Do a search.

Which many of us have sworn an oath to enforce in front of witnesses and notorized and recorded, and as long as the constitution is used for the good of the people, all is well but the people are the judge of that !

If a pattern developes that the constitution no longer serves the people as intended it is their right to alter or abolish it, measured against the rights of the individual by the Bill of Rights.

At present the organized militia, U.S. armed services have totally failed at enforcing the bill of rights.

That is the very reason for the second amendment.

Posted: 3/28/2006 9:36:58 PM EDT

[#34]

How about an Arfcom militia? Or is that a survival forum question?

Posted: 3/28/2006 9:45:38 PM EDT

[#35]

I could help you out a great deal being I belong to a unit here in WV myself

Some links to help you understand the organization and concept

Indiiana Militia
3rd Continental Congress
Fort Liberty
A Well Regulated Militia
Fort liberty

Posted: 3/28/2006 10:06:25 PM EDT

[#36]

I am all for the Militia. Seems a lot of people buy in to the anti-militia prapoganda the
media spews. I was pointing to the actual law that says we are all militia, except
for a few. People who are racist, advocate illeagle activities and such are not welcome
in any groups that I have heard of. People who want to defend their families, Communities,
and neighborhoods is what the Militia is about.

Posted: 3/31/2006 8:27:22 PM EDT

[#37]

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The law regarding the Militia is United States Code..USC Title 10, Section 311.
Do a search.

Which many of us have sworn an oath to enforce in front of witnesses and notorized and recorded, and as long as the constitution is used for the good of the people, all is well but the people are the judge of that !

If a pattern developes that the constitution no longer serves the people as intended it is their right to alter or abolish it, measured against the rights of the individual by the Bill of Rights.

At present the organized militia, U.S. armed services have totally failed at enforcing the bill of rights.

That is the very reason for the second amendment.

That is because we now have a "select" militia rather than the "whole-body" militia the founders like RH Lee and TJ insisted on.

Posted: 3/31/2006 9:01:34 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
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The law regarding the Militia is United States Code..USC Title 10, Section 311.
Do a search.

Which many of us have sworn an oath to enforce in front of witnesses and notorized and recorded, and as long as the constitution is used for the good of the people, all is well but the people are the judge of that !

If a pattern developes that the constitution no longer serves the people as intended it is their right to alter or abolish it, measured against the rights of the individual by the Bill of Rights.

At present the organized militia, U.S. armed services have totally failed at enforcing the bill of rights.

That is the very reason for the second amendment.

And I for one would be standing....across from you taking your ass out if you ever raised arms against this country. We are so far from being anything like it was back then its not even funny. I love how we enjoy the most freedoms then anyone and we are the most successfull/richest country in the world yet we have fools who go around talking about rebelling.

Posted: 3/31/2006 9:14:29 PM EDT

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The law regarding the Militia is United States Code..USC Title 10, Section 311.
Do a search.

Which many of us have sworn an oath to enforce in front of witnesses and notorized and recorded, and as long as the constitution is used for the good of the people, all is well but the people are the judge of that !

If a pattern developes that the constitution no longer serves the people as intended it is their right to alter or abolish it, measured against the rights of the individual by the Bill of Rights.

At present the organized militia, U.S. armed services have totally failed at enforcing the bill of rights.

That is the very reason for the second amendment.

And I for one would be standing....across from you taking your ass out if you ever raised arms against this country. We are so far from being anything like it was back then its not even funny. I love how we enjoy the most freedoms then anyone and we are the most successfull/richest country in the world yet we have fools who go around talking about rebelling.

Tyrants only are rebels the people can not rebel, they have a right and a duty to enforce the law and only the people are the judge of that.

Tench Coxe on the Second Amendment
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution

States become corrupt over time, the just use of force is entirely necessary to reign in despotic states.

Posted: 3/31/2006 9:28:24 PM EDT

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How about an Arfcom militia? Or is that a survival forum question?

The Survival Forum is not a "militia" and has no plans to become one.
They are people who plan for natural disasters and civil unrest.

Posted: 3/31/2006 9:38:29 PM EDT

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Having met a whole lot of the "militia" types in the course of my normal job, I have found that in most cases the following is true:

The are either gear queers who just want an excuse to buy all kinds of high speed gear or morons with SKS's and Hi-point pistols. No middle ground.

Thier self appointed "leaders" (the ones who actually buy and wear military rank crack me up) are usually egotistical or have dellusions of grandeur. They lack competent leadership skills, and if they ever had to actually plan, react, and conduct a real military operation would not have a clue.

They have tunnel vision and see anything that bolsters a point they have as gospel while dismissing anything contrary as propaganda or whatever, and will distort anything to serve thier needs. I know one was in my store one Monday with all kinds of tales of how Special Forces were training UN troops at a local boy scout camp and how they had watched them all weekend. He was sure thats what it was, and didn't have an answer when I told him that was odd since my USAR unit was there helping the Boy Scouts build a trail and we were the only ones around, no SF, no UN troops, not training at all like he was describing.

I have met maybe 3 that I would trust to back me up in a serious situation. Out of hundreds if not thousands.

YMMV, I am sure there are some that keep thier mouths shut so you never know who they are, but among the vocal ones this is almost always true.

Posted: 3/31/2006 9:50:07 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Yeah what about for Non-Cattle/Flock?????

Posted: 3/31/2006 10:03:46 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Yeah what about for Non-Cattle/Flock?????

The National Militia Standards are written by active militia, the reps work all the way from small neighborhoods to national, the western reps travel to the east coast and sometimes the east coats travels to the west for strategy meetings and field training exercises, as stated earlier the word God was used by super majority vote, it does not define any particular faith or demand any action, so if the excuse makers want to seize on that one word and use it as a excuse to not do anything they are free to do so.

Posted: 3/31/2006 10:23:45 PM EDT

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Start here, National Militia Standards

well, first paragraph of 1.1 rules me out. Glad to see that the militia is for all of our rights except for freedom of (or from if we choose) reigion.

Yeah what about for Non-Cattle/Flock?????

The National Militia Standards are written by active militia, the reps work all the way from small neighborhoods to national, the western reps travel to the east coast and sometimes the east coats travels to the west for strategy meetings and field training exercises, as stated earlier the word God was used by super majority vote, it does not define any particular faith or demand any action, so if the excuse makers want to seize on that one word and use it as a excuse to not do anything they are free to do so.

To not do anything? What is there to do?

Posted: 4/1/2006 12:58:58 AM EDT

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I have heard that some militia groups do not use the word "militia" to describe themselves, so as not to attract undue attention to their activities. For example, the "_____ County Corps" might want to give the impression that they are a "neighborhood watch" group and be completely legit. They would in fact be like a "neighborhood watch" group except most "neighborhood watch" groups don't train in the woods with weapons.

Posted: 4/1/2006 1:22:59 AM EDT

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