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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:12:51 PM EDT
seems like 99% of them are family squabbles, custody battles, etc
Case in point: ---------------- http://www.wral.com/news/8263022/detail.html 3-Year-Old Georgia Boy Found Safe In Raleigh; Amber Alert Canceled POSTED: 12:22 am EST March 26, 2006 UPDATED: 1:07 pm EST March 26, 2006 JONESBORO, Ga. -- A three-year-old boy was found unharmed early Saturday after being abducted by his mother's former boyfriend from a restaurant in Hampton, authorities said. <snip> ----------------- quit wasting my time Amber Alert people! 
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:21:07 PM EDT
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Amber alert was started by a family whose daughter was viciously murdered after being abducted.
They have helped stop some abductions, and I would rather see a child safely returned, than to let another child meet such a horrible death. |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:22:18 PM EDT
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And the 1% it is not is well worth it in my opnion. And family members do hurt other family members from time to tim.
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:24:17 PM EDT
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You did notice that the kid was abducted? I believe that's a crime about everywhere and if it was my kid, I would be very pleased it did. I do not care who's radio program it interupted. |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:29:47 PM EDT
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The Amber Alert began when Amber Haggerman was abducted and murdered a few miles from here (Arlington, TX). The local PDs started using it with great success around the Mid-Cities area (between Dallas and Fort Worth). It was effective enough to become adopted state-wide. The successes continued and many children can thank their continued existance by its implementation.
It became nationally recognized not by its failure but due to the number of children quickly recovered from kidnappers. It does save lives and absolutely serves a purpose. I'm glad we have it. 
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:30:42 PM EDT
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Worth it.
Not properly used in this custody crap though. All it takes is some screwy bitch whining and the entire gov't comes down. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. Talk about reinforcing bad behavior 
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:31:47 PM EDT
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The original Amber was abducted by a stranger, in this case it was an ex, the perp is known like it seems in 99% of them. Different circumstances. Domestic disputes set off my Mind My Own Business alarm. |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:32:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:34:10 PM EDT
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So if dad was molesting his daughter, mom divorced him and he wasn't allowed to see the child, then dad kidnaps the daughter, that would set off your "Mind My Own Business" alarm? |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 12:43:11 PM EDT
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We're talking about the real world here, not the planet Mongo.
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:26:45 AM EDT
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Amber alerts have value when the abductor is a complete stranger, but when the perp is known, Dad, in your example, it's a domestic situation. Who knows? Maybe Mom was the molester in this case and evil Dad is just trying to save his daughter but Molestin' Mommy calls cops and calls it a kidnapping anyway. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:34:53 AM EDT
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There are criteria for issuing an Amber Alert. Of course don't let the facts interupt your uneducated rant. A former boyfriend isn't a family member and hardly counts as a domestic dispute.
Law Enforcement agency confirms that the child is under the age of 18. Law Enforcement agency believes the abduction poses a credible threat of immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death to the child. There is sufficient descriptive information about the child, the suspect and/or the circumstances surrounding the abduction to believe that activation of the Alert will help locate the child. A law enforcement agency determines that the child is not a runaway and has not been abducted as a result of a family abduction, unless the investigation determines that the child is in immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:44:25 AM EDT
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Having just attended a 3-day class on child abductions put on by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, let me be the first to say you are absolutely correct. As are the other posters who said that the program has saved a lot of children from a terrible fate. Without knowing anything else, the Amber Alert described by the first poster is absolutely legit. If I show up at a former girlfriend's house and kidnap her child, why in the world would that be OK? "It's a domestic--handle it between yourselves..." WTF? Could it be that I'm angry I was dumped and am lashing out at the ex by stealing and harming someone she does care about? |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:50:42 AM EDT
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Here's the latest way to help find abducted, endangered children:
 Register today Do it for the children 
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Posted: 3/27/2006 10:19:28 AM EDT
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***dawns tin foil hat*****
Ya know, if they had micro chips that acted like a lo-jack system that they could put in a human body... It might deter kidnappings... You could put it in your child & only the parents would know where the chip was so it couldnt be cut out, and if a parent was the abductor, you could track em down before they could cut the thing out anyway... Hell, if they just SAID that it was available & that it was estimated that X % of parents put them in thier kids, it would probably make a kidnapper think twice (kind of like all law abiding citizens having guns) But.... And this is a big butt (no pun intended).... The govenment would then be able to track your ass no matter where you went... And that might not be a good thing. Besides, some might consider such a thing to be the mark of the beast (like some do with SSN & the like) **** removes tin foil hat ***** 
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Posted: 3/27/2006 1:51:47 PM EDT
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Fortunately, the Amber Alert system is administered by folks that do not have their head up their ass.
 Work a multiple child homicide sometime and tell me it's better to "Mind your own business" |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 2:27:19 PM EDT
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Good to know. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 2:36:17 PM EDT
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Amber Alert is a good program.
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Posted: 3/27/2006 2:37:26 PM EDT
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If you ever have a child abducted, we will be sure to tell the authorities not use the Amber Alert since you think it is a waste of time.  BTW, in the case you mentioned, it is the mom's former boyfriend who has no custody claim. He is not the father, not her husband, not even the stepfather. The mom left NJ to get away from him. Perhaps you should get some facts before you bloviate. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 2:47:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, we all know that a family member never molests or murders their own child. In reality, an overwhelming majority of offenders are family members. You are playing the "what if" game? What if mom was the molester? What if Dad didn't do it? What if, what if, what if,.....? If the police have information that a child has been abducted, do you think they should work on the case or just blow it off since it "may" be nothing to it? All an Amber Alert does is gets citizens to help out in the search. If they find the child and everything is okay, does that bother you that the police even looked into the situation? What you are suggesting is that the police do not take action if they believe a child has been abducted. I do not think that is what the citizens want. I find it strange that it troubles you to see a news flash of an abducted child, knowing that it may not be true. If you have any children and God forbid, one was kidnapped, I am sure you wouldn't call the police, otherwise you might trouble the public with those annoying Amber Alerts. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 2:53:36 PM EDT
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There have been plenty of cases where they have been used in domestic situations. In a hurry to get the alert out, they sometimes slack off on the beforehand investigation side. Women trying to cause trouble in divorces, or women cheating on their husbands that get alerts issued on their boyfriend who has the child because she was supposed to meet them later, but was confronted by her husband.
Its due to cases like these that, at least my state, has become very hesitant to issue the alerts. I think they almost have to have non-family witnesses to a hostile abduction now. The problem when they were issued all of the time, is the cry wolf effect. Most people just start ignoring them. I mean does anyone listen to the words after the beeps on TV for instance? No, you just assume its a test because they do it all of the time. If they didn't test it all of the time, you would immediately go to you TV to see WTF is going on with it otherwise, making it more useful. The unfortunate issue in a growing percentage of divorces is false abuse, sexual abuse, or child pornography charges. Defrauding the amber alert is no different.  And don't forget, a lot of these "former boyfriends" turn out to be the fathers of the children, little facts that the mothers leave out. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 3:19:31 PM EDT
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In this case, he is NOT the father, he has no custodial claim at all. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 3:19:48 PM EDT
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Another Factor Watcher 
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Posted: 3/27/2006 3:21:18 PM EDT
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Nah, not really. 
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Posted: 3/27/2006 3:32:30 PM EDT
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The stuff in blue isn't mine fwiw. I think Amber Alerts should be for when a stranger kidnaps a child. Not someone known to the other party. This thread's caused me to research the criteria for Amber Alerts. Criteria are per http://www.amberalert911.com/faq.php
One of my original points. The genesis of my Amber Alert rant was from reading stories such as http://news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=157581 "Ten years after the missing child alerts began in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, the Amber Alert program has been adopted in all 50 states. In some, it's being used for reasons beyond its original purpose of helping find children abducted by strangers. Ohio, Texas and other states have opened Amber Alert to include abductions by non-custodial parents or family members if the child is in immediate danger of injury or death. Although they don't advocate a narrower use of the system, some law enforcement officials are concerned that Amber Alerts will be overused and therefore become less effective. Texas Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Tela Mange said there's reason for worry. In her words, “You don't want to be in a position where you get Amber fatigue where people say, 'It never ends, another Amber Alert,' and they tune out.'' ----------- Keep Amber Alerts back to their original focus is my point. The child in my original example was not "a stranger". |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 3:34:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2006 4:05:03 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter if its a stranger or not. The value in the Amber Alert is getting whatever information is known about the abducter, even their name if known, out to cops and the general public at large quickly. That's its value. We had one back in PA where the abducter was known. Name, address, vehicle, the works. They put out an Amber Alert and the van was spotted by a regular old driver who followed the van and called the cops. Don't matter if its a stranger. The value is in the quick distribution of information. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 4:10:28 PM EDT
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+1000, Does it really annoy you that much that a few minutes of your radio time is taken up by the alerts? |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 4:32:09 PM EDT
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Someday, when it's YOUR kid, your wacked out ex takes and you never see again...... Well, you might think differently. 
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Posted: 3/27/2006 5:49:23 PM EDT
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True. But there's 800,000 (2000 a day) see http://www.amberalertsonline.com/ reported cases of kids missing/taken/abducted a year. Until then I dont want to deal with 799,999 Amber Alerts on my cell phone if 99.999% of them aren't true Amber types as the program was intended. You all win. I'll stick to reading the back of milk cartons. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 8:01:18 PM EDT
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Bravo, sir! When an Amber Alert is activated, all TV and radio stations broadcast crucial information. The TXDOT signs on the freeways also broadcast the info. The Amber Alert is truly one of the great tools in recovering abducted children. Amber Haggerman would be proud, god rest her soul. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 8:12:06 PM EDT
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Would you rather the cops be out issuing speeding tickets, or raiding homes & shooting dogs? |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 8:21:30 PM EDT
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I havent got a single problem with them expanding it to cover non-custodials, parents, ex's, etc. I dont see how you could. Any of them are as capable of murder as any stranger when it comes to children. Do the names Andrea Yates, Deena Slosher, Susan Smith, Darly Routier, mean anything to you? They all killed their kids. What about that ex boyfriend that kidnapped his ex and her child in DeSoto, Texas? He was willing to get into a rolling gun battle with the police with a small child and his ex in the vehicle. It will become less effectove when there are people with the mind set that nothing bad can happen to a child who is abducted during a domestic quarrel. Stranger or not, its still an abduction. Abductions can end tragically. Anything, including flooding the airwaves with info, that will save a child is worth it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2006 1:47:46 AM EDT
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Perhaps it is because I just woke up... I do not know what you are getting at... My posts are pro Amber alert. I have a couple little monsters myself that mean more to me than I ever thought anything could. |
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Posted: 3/28/2006 1:54:37 AM EDT
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It worked in my state.
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