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Interesting experiment.
So the guy was WEARING three vests, all three with plates? |
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Theser are the best posts on this site -- the effort is much appreciated!!
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Yep, just like my test. |
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{The Joker} Where does he get those wonderful toys?! {/The Joker} Well done once again..... |
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Just like there's no such thing as too much training - there's no such thing as too much knowledge and CERTAINLY never too much B.O.T.!
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Oh wow, I would have thought the .308 would have penetrated.
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I kinda figured that 3 vests with plates would have stopped pretty much any round shy of at least a .338 Lapua. Do we know what level vests the perp was wearing at the time of the incident? If it was a level III vest or above then the round probably wouldn't have even made it through the first vest. I guess that's why it's always a good idea to carry a few rounds of AP! MJD
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once again, thank you for the information.
These are always well thought out and interesting (shooting stuff is always fun). I can't believe Tman wouldn't wear the vests in "the interest of scienctific research" |
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The "Chairman of the Board" comes through again with an incredibly useful and informational report.
O_P, you are one marvelous guy! HH |
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Wow, that is an awesome post.
I would have also bet the .308 would have blown through, like a hot knife through butter. |
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Interesting
I have a suggestion. Have you bult an exterior wall of truth? Drywall, insulation, osb, and siding. I think it would be interest to see if the insulation and siding would affect penetration. |
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Aw shucks. |
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Mods...How about a forum dedicated solely to OP's "<blank> O' Truth" tests?
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You and I would have both lost money. |
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OP really needs his own forum here on AR15.
The Forum of Truth! ETA: Beaten by twenty seconds. |
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Did you do a shot from the sniper's position that didn't hit the trauma plates to see if it would go through the vests alone at that distance? |
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I haven't done exterior wall tests yet. But I can tell you that insulation makes no difference at all. www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot12.htm |
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Im new to this, so excuse the learning curve:
where the rounds hit the vests, but did not go through, but cause the massive indentation into the clay. What type of injury would this be similar to? It looks like those shots would have hit a sternum or rib cag. It would obviously shatter those bones? And cause them to puncture vital organs/vessels? Just curious since it did not 'go through', what would be the end result to a bad guy if they did get hit with one of those rounds and what damange/state of consciousness (sp) they would be in afterwards. |
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52 yards is no "distance" for either a .223 or a .308. Both would have no problem with the vests without plates. |
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Very good post.
Maybe this is a case for having a couple of AP rounds in your kit. I would also liked to have seen what my 338LM have done with 250BTHP. |
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Flesh is surprisingly resilient, and bone is stronger than you think. The clay represents the MOST the flesh would move at all, and then the flesh would return back to it's former shape, probably none the worse for wear. There's a video floating around here where a guy was shot in the trauma plate by an FAL at close range, and experienced no ill effects. |
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+1 As always, great test O_P! LOVE that AI .308! |
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I am no medical doctor, but RDs (Real Doctors) have posted in my threads about this in the past. I can tell you what they said, paraphrased: While a big dent in the clay would indicate a "painful" hit, they would probably not break ribs or bones. They would be painful, but not disabilitating. |
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The .308 didn't penetrate the 3 vests,but I wonder if it would have
been enough force to knock him down for a second shot ? Would this be like being hit by a baseball from a pitching machine , or more like being hit full force with a baseball bat ? |
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Interesting...
But what about AP rounds? Will M885 go thru 3 vests and 3 plates? Will 7.62 NATO AP round go thru the same combination? Inquiry mind want to know. |
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Awesome!
Quick Question: What was the NIJ rating of the three vests in your tests, and the three plates (or two, if the soft plate was just a trauma plate)? |
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I don think it would have been enough to make him go down,it would hurt like hell though. |
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You could proabably count on a big bruise and maybe a couple broken ribs, but I wouldnt count on that taking the guy out of the fight. It may or may not have stopped the guy, but he probably wouldnt be critically wounded by a round that didnt penetrate all the vests. |
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It would not have knocked him down, unless he was surprised and "scared" into falling. As noted above, there are videos of guys standing on one foot and getting shot with a .308 onto a vest and they do not fall. The Clay Box O' Truth weighs about 50+ pounds and was not clamped to the saw horses. It did not fall over when shot. |
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