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Posted: 3/21/2006 7:28:14 AM EDT
I'm getting ready to buy a few power tools, and need to know who is currently considered the best in terms of quality, and where is the best place to buy. I'm buying a miter saw, a table saw, and possibly a router. The first thing will be the miter saw - looking to buy a 12" compound saw and am overwhelmed by the number of manufacturers!! DeWalt, Delta, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosche, among others.
I know enough about automotive tools but have only passing experience with wood working tools. I plan on doing some home improvements, and want good enough quality so if woodworking becomes a hobby (and it could too) they will last for years. The floor is open. |
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While most of my older tools are DeWalt... I have heard that DeWalt has gone down a little compare to Milwaukee. The only problem I have with my DeWalt is that the battery doesn't go for more than 1-1.5 years before going bye-bye. I'm personally is in the process of upgrading all my older tools to Hitachi. Hitachi is actually a big brand in outside US and have a solid reviews. You may not see too much of them here in the US because they are just getting their brand name started here... but they are good tools. ~nb |
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I'm not really looking at battery powered tools (I already have a selection).
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I've remodled my whole house with Black and Decker Classic tools. Fair price and they work.
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DeWalt for the miter saw.
Delta or Ridgid for the table saw, DeWalt if you want a portable. Porter-Cable for the router. |
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here is a board that to me compares to this board for woodworking.
this is a direct link to the tools forum. www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2 |
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For the compound saw, make sure you buy the sliding compound mitre saw. I wish I had.
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Miter saw =DeWalt,ridge
Table saw=delta unisaw if wanting it non-portable, ridge or dewalt if portable Router=Porter Cable,bosch |
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Can't go wrong with a Milwaukee. As far as miter saws go my father's company has had great work out of Hitachi.
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Not sure why you need a miter saw if you are getting a table saw unless you need the portability. Spend your money on a GOOD table saw with a GOOD fence - Jet or Delta are two good brands, and you won't find them at Home Depot or Lowes.
As far as hand power tools, I prefer the heavy duty DeWalt drills, Makita 13 amp circular saw, and Milwaukee Sawzall. |
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If you don't mind a trip to the library before spending your money, look up the equipment reviews in "Fine Woodworking" magazine. They do a SUPER job at reviewing the gear. For example, they always give a "Best" and a "Best Value". The best is sometimes a pricey tool but not always. The reviews and the reviewers are really quite good.
I have the magazines here but don't have time right now to research it for you. I will say I love my Porter Cable router. It's well made, smooth operating and quiet (as routers go). In true AR15.com fashion, I bought both the fixed base and the plunge base. Personally, I would stay away from Craftsman tools. They tend to have crappy (induction?) motors. They tend to be direct drive. The motors are so loud I hate to use them. Look for a cap-start motors. They are quieter, have more torque,... Same thing about Delta - unless you are buying a top of the line Unisaw. The Unisaws are good. Spend your money wisely - read the reviews first. |
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I love my Porter Cable router, and Laminate Trimmer, both have tons of power to do the job.
Milwaulkee is a great brand that has always worked for me. |
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First, what are you going to do with these tools? Do they need to be portable or are they for stationary use (mostly) in your shop. or ??? Will the router be used in a table? etc.
Tool manufacturers are like firearms manufacturers in that one company does not build the "best" table saw, miter saw and router, and good quality costs. OTOH, if you only need a few tools for a specific project you might be better off to either rent or buy some cheaper stuff like Ryobi or B&D brands. (neither is "professional grade", but they are not total junk either) My current needs / uses are mostly for tools with good power and flexibility that are also one-man-portable, so my selection reflects that fact. One day I will have a nice shop and my needs will change for the table saw and router(s), but the miter saw(s) will likely stay about the same. Sliding 12in. compound miter saws are nice...unless you have to haul one up and down two flights of stairs every day for days at a time, and if you have room for the sliding mechanism to work. The fences are also different on different saws...do you want a wide fence or is that not a big issue? (I really like the DeWalt fences but I think the Makita saw is a bit smoother) My personal favorites would be DeWalt, Makita or Bosch for the miter saw...definitely get a 12in. saw if size / weight is not an issue. I have been very happy with my DeWalt double compound #706 (a non-slider) and my Makita #1013 10in. slider. I have a Rigid portable table saw that has done good work for me, but a shop saw is a completely different animal. Do some serious research before you get a shop sized table saw...good ones are not cheap. I like the Bosch #1617EVS (2+HP) router for a portable sized model with good power and adjustments, and it is available as a kit with the plunge mechanism included, but my older Porter Cable 690 has also been a great little router. Get a variable speed model if you get only one router. Great place to buy tools... www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/104-3445328-1123101?node=228013 |
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Are the new Rigid power tools as good as the old ones? I thought they got bought by someone and are now made in China.
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I don't think Milwaukee makes any of the 3 items you asked about. Maybe the router.
I have had great luck with Milwaukee power tools. My drills is 20 years old. It is a Milwaukee 1/2" right angle. I also have a 25 year old Milwaukee sawsall that still works. After going through Craftsman, Dewalt and other brands I only buy Milwaukee now. I heard that Ridgid used to make Craftsman tables saw before Sears went overseas. |
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The motors, at least in their stationary tools, are still Emerson. Ridge Tool is a subsidiary of Emerson of St. Louis, Missouri |
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For a table saw, get a delta.
built very well, excellent tool. cost me a bit of money, but it has more than paid for itself. be aware, it is not a very portable table saw, so figure that into your plans. |
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Thanks for the replies so far.
Ikor - The first thing I'm going to build is a bunch of work benches for the garage. I should only need a miter saw for now - I can build excellent benches just with it and a drill. At that point I'll decide whether to build cabinets and stuff, which was why I was thinking table saw and router. The more I think about it the more I think I don't even need such a top end miter saw. But I've always bought tools with the intent on keeping them, and try to only buy the best. I already have all the hand tools I need, that's for sure! I guess I need to think this over for a bit... |
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I have a Ryobi variable speed drill and orbital sander. I think the quality is similar to Craftsmen power tools but I don't do a lot of carpentry.
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for a miter saw for sure get a dewalt...... I have used craftsman, junk if useing alot. I have also used hitachi, good but I think dewalt is a better tool.
I have used dewalts beat to hell and the motors still start up and sound good... the job I am on now has a hitachi that has been taken pretty good care of and the motor sounds like its going to launch every time you switch it on. jim |
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If you're not making a living with these tools, go to Sears, and check out Craftsman.
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I just bought a 12" radial miter saw from Hitachi and couldn't love it any more than I already do. I also bought a Hitachi router and have had a Hitachi cordless drill and saw for a couple years now. You can't beat the bang for the buck. They are heavy duty tools for a great price. I beleive I may go with the Craftsman table saw though. The fence seems to be the best in my price range.
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I have a ton of woodworking tools and make fine furniture as a hobby. The best advise given so far is to get a decent table saw and skip the miter unless you require portability. Jet makes a fine saw and they have a model with a sliding miter section. It's pretty awesome. I love mine and it has held up to some commercial jobs I have done.
If you do get a sliding miter stay away from Makita. I have their 10" compound sliding miter and it will not cut a smooth edge. As far as Routers go, stay away from Sears unless you like buying twice. I have had good luck with my Ryobi RE600 which is permanently mounted in a router table. For a portable one, I have a Dewalt which works fine. Porter Cable is also a good bet. Bomber |
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Talk about "opening a can of worms!" This question is as bad as asking "I want to buy a gun, what do you reccomend?" Travis |
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Makita and Hitachi are my top brand picks.
Ryobi makes good random orbital sanders. I don't really recommend their other products, but those are pretty good and quite affordable. A random orbital sander is on the short list of tools you should buy first. It'll get a lot of use. I've almost worn out three random orbital sanders so far. But I use them so much it's crazy. (I build guitars.) Cj |
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You didn't say what your budget or usage was going to be so here goes:
Miter saw: The best one by far is the DeWalt 708 12" slider. They can be had for as little as $400 if you want to go with a factory refurb (I would). They are being superseded by the I think the DW716 but they are new on the market, pricey, and haven't yet proved their worth with the woodworking community yet. Street price on the DW 716 runs between 600-800$ so you can see why the DW708 is still popular. Table saw: For a contractor saw I would go with the Grizzly G0444Z. 2HP, 110/220, with a great fence, cast iron wings, and good price. Delta, Jet, Powermatic, Shop Fox and General contractor saws are also as good or better. You can't really go wrong with any of them. Just ensure you get at least 1.5 HP and cast iron wings. Cabinet saw: Delta Unisaw or Grizzly 1023 series depending on your budget. Again, Powermatic, Jet, Shop Fox and General also make good cabinet saws, but, like the contractors saws, prices and features vary widely. Router: Most serious woodworkers I know have 3-4 routers and set them up for different tasks. If you just want one you could try the tried and true Porter Cable 690 series 1-3/4 HP which can be had for under $125 now. If you want a beefier plunge router you can't go wrong with DeWalt 621 or 625 or the Hitachi M12V. ETA: Some people have said that you don't really need a MS if you have a TS. I like having both and do most of my cross cutting on the MS and all my ripping on the TS. Reasons are many but mainly because most stock mitre gauges suck azz. Plus, by the time I find my crosscut sled and get the TS set up, I could have already made the cut on the MS and moved on to other tasks. Incra makes some nice aftermarket miter gauges but they will cost you anywhere from $60-200. Welcome to another expensive hobby. The nice thing about this one is you don't have to worry about your equipment being pre or post ban or complying with some arcane federal reg that even the feds can't interpret. Instead of stocking up on ammo, you'll be spending money on cherry, oak, walnut and maple. If you are serious about woodworking you'll also want to think about a jointer, planer and bandsaw. |
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Yes, I was talking about the stock miter gages that come with the saw. They do suck azz and I just don't trust mine unless I square it before every use. It's a PITA and that's the main reason I use my MS to do as much crosscutting as I can. It's already set up, plugged in and square. Cutting any stock under 8" in width is easy and quick. Looks like you have a sliding table there, not to be confused with a miter guage. Sliding tables are pretty standard in Europe and catching on fast here in the US. The Incra aftermarket miter guages are nice because they have wedge shaped stops that lock the slide and fence at various guaranteed angles. Trust factor and accuracy is high and changing angles is easy. I actually had my MS before I had my TS so I like to use the best features of each to the maximum extent possible. |
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Isn't Emerson now Chinese owned?? |
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Well, I'm down to the DeWalt DW708 or the Hitachi C12LSH, leaning towards the DeWalt since it's now out of production and can be had for around $450 brand new (not refurb). The Hitachi has some interesting features and gizmos the DeWalt lacks, but I doubt I need them anyway. The new DeWalt DW718 looks good, but it's over $700 everywhere I checked. DeWalt scores extra points since I know some guys at B&D in Towson, Md. that can get me extra help if something goes wrong or breaks.
I'm going to build two or three very heavy duty work benches, mount my grinder, vises, drill press, etc., and then decide on more tools like a table saw if I still want or need one. I'm also going to build a bench in the basement, suitable for reloading in case I ever take the plunge. |
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I've been a professional trim, cabinet and carpenter type for 30 years. Been using a Hitachi 8.5 sliding miter saw for 5+ years and have no complaints. This in spite of the fact that I TRY to buy U.S. made first. The Japs got it right on this one. Hand tools I normally go Milwaukee. My tools get abused regularly and I'm not ashamed of it. Powermatic table saw(Taiwan) has been decent for 15 years. Delta(Taiwan) 6" jointer has been very good, too. Makitra 10" plainer has been beat to death w/ hardwoods for 20 years and just keeps buzzing.
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