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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:07:53 PM EDT
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Sounds interesting...
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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:08:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:15:32 PM EDT
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A coup would be a crushing blow to the democratic system we have fought and died for the past 200+ years.
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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:18:42 PM EDT
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well that goes without saying. unfortunately, the autocratic system that we are in right now is pretty ineffective at getting anything productive done |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:19:05 PM EDT
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Maybe it would set the system back like it was intended to be instead of how it is now. Our founding fathers would have started another revolution a long time ago if they had to live with the government we have now. |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 9:36:34 PM EDT
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Can't and won't happen here.
For a coup to succeed, the plotters must present themselves to others with power as really the only way forward politically. This country has a history of ups and downs with presidents, and statistically everyone agrees that no matter how bad things can get with our government, few can envision a coup making things better. The 1991 attempted coup in Russia was not incompetantly planned; it is that the coup plotters were ignored after they made their move. It seems folks had thier fill of communism, and after several days "in charge" they were arrested by the army, the police, the common man in the street. |
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Posted: 3/7/2006 9:39:37 PM EDT
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The only way this Country wil ever return to the intent of the framers is if we again prohibit lawyers from holding public office!
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Posted: 3/7/2006 9:43:53 PM EDT
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That is part of what the War Collage does... kick around possibilities… not a chance in hell of it happening.
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Posted: 3/8/2006 2:59:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 3:04:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 4:00:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 4:08:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 5:10:30 AM EDT
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tag for later
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Posted: 3/8/2006 5:14:30 AM EDT
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service guarantees citizenship?
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Posted: 3/8/2006 5:23:35 AM EDT
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That's a stretch. 
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Posted: 3/8/2006 5:38:42 AM EDT
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The Marian/Sullaian/Napoleonic/Hitlerian paradigm will not work here in America...BECAUSE out Founders recognized the dangers of the "Cult of Personality" and built certain safeguards into the Contsitution.
All political officials and military personnel take a solemn oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the USA...NOT a person, group, cult, oligarchy, prince or ANY other entity, dead or alive. For any coup scenario to succeed, it would require that literally THOUSANDS of military personnel toss aside their oaths and submit to the dark side. Ridiculous premise. Sorry...but this dog don't hunt! 
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:01:32 AM EDT
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The problem with this country is there are too many liberals. Not even a military coup would solve that problem unless they are willing to run concentration camps to rid the country of libs.
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:09:03 AM EDT
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There was a good movie about this, maybe 10 years ago (?), was actually a remake from the original, where at the end the Genearl asks the lone officer (who fought the coup) "Do you know who judas was?", "yes he was once the man I worked for."
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:10:11 AM EDT
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Learn that in college did ya? 
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:11:05 AM EDT
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we are. j/k  I have found it ironic that we swear an oath to uphold the constitution but I am willing to bet maybe 2% of all people in uniform have actually read the constitution. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:17:33 AM EDT
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Has happened and will again! Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. (George Santayana) Mike |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:19:07 AM EDT
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would require an extraordinary charismatic person and/or an extraordinary series of events...
the extraordinary charismatic leader would have to be presented with a nation-threatening situation which he lead us out of, followed by his possible replacement by a certified idiot wherein the nation chooese the popular saviour as opposed to the assclown alternative. my guess is that someday this scenario will happen in america. seems to happen in just about every civilization eventually. just takes the right sequence of events and personalities. you can talk about the guarantees of the constitution all you want. its is only as good as the people who support and defend it. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:21:06 AM EDT
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The words "again" and "return" imply that we've done it before. This would come as a surprise to the likes of Jefferson, Madison and Adams, not to mention the Of the 35 of the 55 delegates at the Constitutinal Convention who were lawyers or had legal training. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:21:13 AM EDT
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The Enemy Within 
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:25:32 AM EDT
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lololololololol |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:27:52 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a rumor that SecofState/Gen. Alexander Haig flirted with the idea of a coup after Reagan was shot? or is that bs?
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:29:14 AM EDT
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God, I hope Hilary wins the dem primary! That fucking useless cunt will isolate not only everybody who is not super liberal, but a lot of her fellow liberal dems too! With that bitch running for president, the republicans would win in a clean sweep!
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:35:19 AM EDT
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Not likely because the military reports to a civilian, and the police are mostly not part of the military. In most countries around the world, the military and police reports converge to a single person. Of course, the need for support of both the military and police is because they have the guns.
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:40:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 7:49:29 AM EDT
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At this time, it may be worth pointing out that during the revolution that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union the Russian military sided with Boris Yeltzin and the democratic system of Russia rather than the communists that they had been serving for almost a century.
The military is made up of rank and file citizens from across the spectrum of society. They aren't going to turn their rifles on their friends and neighbors without some kind of crisis in the works. Pandemic, WMD attack, etc. I don't fear the army. What I do fear is the army of federal agents with their paramilitary training and military equiptment. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 8:02:35 AM EDT
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After Reagan was shot, Haig said:
The media tried to spin that into some sort of coup. In fact, it was merely a correct statement of the political reality and the pecking order within the executive branch (although not a correct statement of the Constitutional line of succession, in which the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate take precedence over the Secretary of State). Haig never did anything remotely resembling a coup; as the highest ranking executive official in Washington, he merely took charge when the President was incapacitated and the Vice President unavailable. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 10:36:42 AM EDT
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Of the 60 important battles of the Civil War, 55 were commanded by West Point graduates on BOTH sides. Of the others, a USMA graduate commanded one side or the other. We had the same Constitution during the Civil War. Near 600,000 Americans died fighting each other when the total population was a measly 31 million. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 10:43:12 AM EDT
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The actual .gov we have seems to have very little to do with the Constitution. Some of the politicians we have would seem to require removal according to the oath I swore many times.
US out of Iraq! Time for us to occupy America! |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 10:45:01 AM EDT
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If the North had not invaded the South nobody would have died... the dog still don't hunt. The US military is not going to launch a coup. It takes a supreme amount of ignorance of the US military to take the proposition seriously. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 10:46:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 10:47:43 AM EDT
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We did have a Military Coup and we lost anyone remeber the "War for Southern Independance"? When Lee surendered the Republic died. Been picking up steam going downhill ever since.
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Posted: 3/8/2006 11:09:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 11:12:32 AM EDT
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That was a different matter entirely. Succession is not a coup. It would have been a coup if the military had removed Lincoln from office and installed their own leader. Rather the Confederation was a political AND millitary rebellion, which is a different matter. JFKs killing was a coup. I believe that LBJ was involved in some manner, and probably the CIA, but not the military. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 11:21:18 AM EDT
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Again, not to be an ass....but this is important. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 11:21:34 AM EDT
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 Yea...the Republic died the day the South tried to leave it. You really think that either the North, or the South could have existed for very long, without each other? Why do you think the Europeans were so keen on helping the South win the war? |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 11:42:15 AM EDT
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The British were keen on the south winning because their textile mills were supplied by southern cotton.
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Posted: 3/8/2006 11:54:07 AM EDT
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In, on wings of tin foil, flies the Denver Airport. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 4:33:41 PM EDT
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My point is that even a military junta isn't willing to do that. So why bother having a coup? |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 5:44:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2006 6:49:41 PM EDT
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Both standout as truths which imperil the Republic.
This clearly was attempted and just shot down by SCOTUS The author seems to believe that there could be a military coup. I do not see it happening at anytime in the foreseeable future. I do not believe that free Americans would stand for it. The enigmatic consideration for me would be that I think it likely that it would be conservatives that would stand against it. The Sheeple might voice inital outrage but in the end they like being herded. It makes them feel more secure in a perverse sort of way. Were it to happen however, it would be one more similarity with Rome, an Empire with which we have many. From a Republic to a dictatorship, in which case it should be remembered:
There does seem to be a general and gradual erosion into our freedoms but it will take some time for us to get to this point. If nothing else a puppet gov't would be left in place to give the illusion of democracy. And perhaps that has already been instituted. The fact that I see virtually no difference between the Parties at this point would lead to some concern over that matter. We must remain vigilant. That is the message. |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 8:03:24 PM EDT
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Coup in the US? No way.
For a coup to happen the military has to be REALLY politicized and divided against the government. Yes, this is the case in the Phillippines or any of number of third world countries. But that's not the US military and we'd never see our officer corps doing this. "Reform the Armed Forces" (a blatantly political association of Philippine military officers) doesn't have a US military chapter. If someone did this there would be SO much opposition - both within the military and in the greater US - that he'd never get away with it. In fact, you'd see me taking to the streets........ |
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Posted: 3/8/2006 8:10:42 PM EDT
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Whether you think the USA and the CSA could have survived as independent countries is bedside the point. Either way, Lincoln murdered the Republic in the North when he declared war on its founding principles. (Ever read the Declaration of Independence? It could have been written as a manifesto on the South's right to secede.) When Lee surrendered, that killed what remained of the Republic in the South. It was all over when "These United States" became "The United States," and the Federal Government became the master of the States rather than their servant. |
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