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Posted: 3/7/2006 12:36:22 PM EDT
I learned of the passing of an aqaintence last week and thought it may be of some interest to you guys. It certainly has me feeling weird as I don't know what to make of the news. This is a strange read but worth it if you give it the effort. There's a number of lessons here just in the telling.
Ten years ago I met this couple through school activities. Their daughter was in my son's class. Through mutual friends, we were thrown together socially on many occassions. For the sake of this story will call the husband Ron and wife Jill. From outward appearences they were what many would define as a Hippie couple. They kind of dressed and looked very retro but two distinctly different people. Though Ron had long hair his roots as the son of a minister were still very strong. He is the type guy who built his own home by hand, runs his own contracting business, and took his parenting responsibility very seriously. Needless to say, I took instant liking to Ron. His easy going trust is everything nature most people would have. Jill on the otherhand was the exact opposite of Ron. She saw herself as Janis Joplin reborn and dressed the part and acted it on many levels to include alcohol. Loud and abnoxious, she had a real talent at pissing people off for her opinion was the only opinion. Having been raised by a lesbian couple, her politics were the extreme left. You may have heard of the bra burning women rights advocates, well this girl lived it. Her big pilgramage was the the womens right convention every year and flaunted her braless over weight boobs to the point of nauseum. Upon our first meeting she took exception to my son's nickname, Billy, and I caught her telling him so. Needless to say, I never got along with Jill. When GW got elected, Jill about had a cow. Her involvement with the extreme left politics increased as she now attended anti-war demostrations. The more involved she got the more enthralled with living up to her Janis Joplin self impression she got. She took to the bottle even heavier. This added strife to the marriage as Ron tried desperately to pull his family together again. As you would expect Jill saw this push by Ron as an assault on her individualism. This led to fights and literally Jill would assault Ron. She had become the devil and even the police responding to the now frequent domestic calls were advising Ron to divorce Jill. Ron being as he is took yet one last desparate move. After Jill attacked a police officer responding to one of their fights, Ron had her committed to a lock in drug rehab rather than face jail. Well Jill met another left wing activist with a drug problem in rehab and upon getting out, divorced Ron, and washed her hands of both her husband and daughter. Armed with her new activist soul mate, she did what any good left wing radical should do. They packed up and moved to California for that's where the action is and Janis Joplin would be not only welcomed but looked up to. The only communication Ron or her daughter had with her was through her sister which she had moved in with. As habit, when I go to school events Ron and I would set together and catch up on what's going on in our lives. After the usual, your house done? etc. eventually the conversation would get around Jill. At one event, he tells me the boy friend is gone. He got tired of Jill beating the shit out of him. At another, Jill's sister kicked her out. Our children started highschool and the highschool is on a different calender so Ron and I don't see each other all summer until this week. It was great catching up but eventually the topic led to Jill where he thought I knew. Jill was found dead of an overdose. Apparently she had been living on the streets in California. As Murphy would have it, she died on her daughters birthday. This really bothers me for I didn't know what to say. I had watched this PTA mother go from active caring parent to raving left wing radical to junky yet I feel no remorse. None, which is very different for me. I felt more remorse for my dead enemies during the war. I guess, I have to face the fact I never really liked her but then I've known others that I didn't like that I could at least feel some pity for. I often think she was doomed to this fate from a child. Shame she is leaving the legacy of that childhood with her child which will never enjoy a birthday again as long as she lives. Tj |
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When GW got elected, Jill about had a cow.
That is all it took hate her with all your heart. |
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Well I guess she brought it on herself. It's hard to have sympathy for someone that self-destructs. Still it's a shame for her daughter to lose her mom.
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Sounds like an easy person to really dislike. I honor your friend for 'trying' to make it work but question staying in a deeply flawed relationship for so long past the point of no return.
Moral of this story is that there are no winners in this story. Everyone loses. Damn shame. |
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What a sad story. The real sad part was that she put herself, and her political beliefs ahead of her family...she got horribly selfish and left everyone else out in the cold. I just hope her husband and children can see her for what she was at the end, and move on and grow from the experience. They deserve better than what she became. |
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Her mom was trash don't show any weakness, be strong. Hate! |
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Well, that s one less liberal we have to worry about. Sounds like she should be a role model for all the other liberals out there.
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An enemy in war can be respected, but this creature was an enemy to her own children.
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Definately. I dont think drugs should be illegal at the same time I dont have sympathy for people who destroy themselves. |
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She probably kicked it up a notch, because it was her daughters birthday. And she had failed her miserably. Sad. |
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Thanks for sharing that TJ. It's sad on so many levels. I suppose that this is the sort of thing that happens when you get so wrapped up in yourself that you refuse to take a reality check and see whats going on around you, and what you're doing to others. It dosn't even matter that she was a radical left-winger. She could have been an uber-paranoid tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist, and the end results probably would have been the same however, she would have had far more company as a liberal, and thus encouragement in her behaviour (almost called it psychosis, but I'm not qualified to make that judgement)
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Yeah, there are a boatload of lessons in that short story. These stories seem to be more prevalent as the atmosphere of todays politics causes family after family to be estranged. It's a damn shame that "Ron" and his child had to be pulled through the intolerence and selfishness that his wife and those like her are seemingly more inclined to do. Hang in there though, there was nothing you could do.
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I would say she was nuts from the start, but was able to operate normally (mostly). All it took was a little shove (GW elected) to put her over the edge. Even a hard-core leftyshould have been able to take it, without flipping out.
I feel no remorse either. In typical liberal fashion, she went insane and tried her best to take everyone with her. I am Jack's complete lack of give-a-shit. In my typical heartless consrvative/libertarian fashion I say this: "Shit. That sucks. Now it's time to move on and do what is best for the rest of the family and especially the kids." If necessary, the guy needs to find a good, conservative, non-crazy woman and put his and his kids lives back together. (Conservative and non-crazy are NOT redundant, BTW). That's all I have to say about that... |
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Bad decisions are frequently followed by bad outcomes. You know, reaping and sowing, a common sense, Biblical principle that the Jills of the world so despise. With liberalism, the ulitimate victim is the liberal himself. It is sad because a daughter lost her mother. Twice. |
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Things getting slow over at DU? |
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Provide support for your friend as I know you will. He may be better off without her, but he will still be in pain. Maybe, work out a free couple hours for a beer or something.
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Must be -- iirc he's been posting crap like this all today. |
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At least she didn't get run over by a bulldozer or lose her son in Iraq or else we'd have never heard the end of her.
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Liberals are self destructive by nature. And, I think they project their self destruction onto the rest of society which is why they always seem to be trying to tear it down. They typically turn their self loathing onto everything they should love and destroy everyone around them.
Everyone’s real objective now should be to make sure her daughter doesn’t end up caught in that cycle of destruction. |
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She earned her death. That's why you don't feel remorse. She chose that path, and she walked it. |
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Whats DU? |
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this reminds me of the "do you get upset if an asshole dies"
the answer is "no" she was a libtard, and now there is one less libtard out there to tell me what to do |
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Stories like this are why I will never knowingly date a liberal, much less marry one. I take that whole biblical "unequally yoked" thing pretty seriously.
Some people think that it is possible to seperate politics from a marraige, and I just don't see how it can be done for the long-term, at least not with someone as politically outspoken as I. I even find myself at odds with my family, and they are conservative, just not as conservative (in the classical liberal sense ) as I. It is unfortunate that your friend/acquaintence and his family had to go through this willfully suicidal dive. I hope that he is able to find someone who is not so abusive and wrapped up in herself as to place her liberal ideology ahead of her motherly duties. A truly sad story. |
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I won't share this story over the intraweb, but, suffice it to say...
I had almost those same feelings bout my father. No reason to feel guilty or bad. She made her bed, and, now she's in it. My wife is bi, and, she finally had to give up a lesbian couple that were her best friends for a long time, because of what it was doing to the kids. She was sad, but, knew it was time to sever the bond. I think the subject of your story actually got exactly what she was craveing for a long time. Release. |
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Too bad so sad. I'm just running down the list of lefties I know, and I can't think of one of them that is happy. Some of the ones I know are going to eat themselves from the inside out before '08. Hatred is all they have, and they are very good at it. I think they hate themselves as much as they hate GW.
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There is only one certainty in life and that is - a liberal usually not know the truth in most cases and when they do they will lie. Twenty-five year or so ago the left put HATE IS NOT A FAMILY VALUE bumper stickers on their little cars. I always wondered what the hell they were up to. While they were hating us more and more this was a clever attempt to reverse the field on us.
Never feel guilty about hating the America-hating left. They hate you and everything you stand for far more than you will ever hate them. I wish they would all die. The more painful the better! |
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Hate and stupidity is a dangerous combination.
Sad for the family. |
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I lived through Clinton, never even took to the bottle or other radical activities.
BTW the fact that she was reaised by lesbians makes me wonder how many more nutjobs like this we will be producing in the future? |
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Her problems went way back. Her screwy behavior was just a manifestation of her messed up id.
On top of that...libtards are "feeling" on a different plane anyway...and that just adds to their screwy mindset. Too bad...but I suspect it wasn't much of a surprise to those who really knew her. |
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Ron and child have been throught alot. I hope that they learned from it anc can teach others. Thanks for sharing the story. Too bad you can't post it on DU.
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IMHO, in addition to the political chuckles, this gives us a little insight into the nature of hate. It's a powerful emotion, can really drive people nuts. It is indeed the opposite of love, with the same intensity. When you hate something, you give it control over you, your emotions, and your mental health. That's what it did to Jill here. Her hate destroyed her.
With this in mind, before you say that you hate something, think about whether it's really worth it, what that hate will do to you. Liberals drive me nuts sometimes, but I can't honestly say that I hate them. They just aren't worth it. I feel only indifference towards them. That's ultimately what I would like to see happen, and what I think would drive these people the craziest - people just ignoring them. "Bush = Hitler!!!!!" "Yeah, whatever. I don't even feel like arguing against it anymore. Everyone can see that you're just plain nuts. Go home." If anything, I'd say my politics are more motivated by love. I love America and what it stands for, the people that make it up (even the batshit insane ones), their passion, drive, and unshakable optimism. I love the things that we've accomplished, both the technological innovations we've pioneered that have made life better for all of us, and the freedom that we've brought to so many other people around the world. The Left is motivated by hate. This explains much of what they say and do, and IMHO, it will ultimately be their undoing. |
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She alraeady lost her. It may be better this way instead of watching a parent act like an ass and be self destructive over the years. |
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The core values of most Democrats. |
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It is too bad she abandoned her family in pursuit of her "ideals".
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Hatred can be channeled and managed. Hatred of the left is a good and healthy way of life. Loving and trying to understand the left is like loving and trying to understand a child molester. You can love and understand all you want but he is still going to screw your child.
As a matter of fact I'd rather live next door to a child molester than a lefty. At least the child molester has been correctly identified and can be properly monitored. |
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Well uh, yep, when the real motivation appeared to have been drugs and the bottle. |
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She wanted to be like Joplin, and got her wish. It's a sad situation, yet I feel no remorse for her either.
I feel sorry for the kid, and to some extent Ron. Hopefully the kid can understand that it wasnt anything they did, it was Jill's choice. |
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It's Bush's fault!!!
(Someone had to say it). Seriously, that's a sad story. |
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sowing & reaping...a real formula for a downward spiral...very sad,..sow the wind & reap the wirlwind...
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TJ - the little girl is (obviously) better off. God forbid, if this whackjob came back to TN and started more shit. It's never easy losing a parent, but she lost that "mother" long ago.
IMHO, if you want to do something meaanigful... Introduce Ron to a nice woman. Seriously. |
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when i hear stories like this I strongly suspect an undiagnosed mental illness and other personal problems. If i were to indulge in some amateur psychobabble, it sounds as if she were self-medicating and running away from personal issues. sad story.
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[Michael Savage]Liberalism is a mental disorder![/Michael Savage] |
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Good riddance.
Tom, I know you feel that you should have some remorse, some grief for no other reason than you knew her on a somewhat personal level but some people are just destined for their end, based solely on poor decisions, never learned from the consequences which result from those decisions, even though reality slaps them upside the head over and over and over again. Been around way too many people like this to give a flying fuck about them anymore. Planet is truly a better place without them. I know my country is. |
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