Interesting thought about secondhand guns & tracing bullets from crimescenes

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Interesting thought about secondhand guns & tracing bullets from crimescenes

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:04:23 PM EDT

What happens, if a person shoots somebody, say with a Glock 21. The Glock is then sold to a pawn shop under a fake ID or through a FTF sale. You buy the gun, and a few months down the road, due to a home invasion, your new Glock barrel gets patterned... You are now tied to a murder weapon.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:05:33 PM EDT

[#1]

i think that if you can prove you bought it on good faith that it was legit, you'd be ok. That means the SN would be intact, you filed proper paperwork when you bought it, ect.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:06:35 PM EDT

[#2]

What about FTF sales, where you hand the guy the money, and he gives you a bill of sale? This is legal.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:07:58 PM EDT

[#3]

like I said, if you can establish that you bought it on good faith and did your "due dilligence" than you should be ok.

i'm not a LEO or lawyer, so I dont know for sure. I am basing my argument on common sense alone

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:08:42 PM EDT

[#4]

You are probably right, but this is an interesting thing I haven't thought of before.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:10:50 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
What happens, if a person shoots somebody, say with a Glock 21. The Glock is then sold to a pawn shop under a fake ID or through a FTF sale. You buy the gun, and a few months down the road, due to a home invasion, your new Glock barrel gets patterned... You are now tied to a murder weapon.

This is why I don't do private sales of a gun... I always trade it in for a firearm I want (at the moment) with a respectable dealer, and keep all paperwork from the transaction in the safe in case some dirt-bag caps someone with a firearm I once owned.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:11:37 PM EDT

[#6]

and show me the technology that will ID your gun as the murder weapon...

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:13:33 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
like I said, if you can establish that you bought it on good faith and did your "due dilligence" than you should be ok.

i'm not a LEO or lawyer, so I dont know for sure. I am basing my argument on common sense alone

Depends on the State. In FL, yes; somplace else, maybe not. ALWAYS CHECK LOCAL LAWS.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:17:30 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
and show me the technology that will ID your gun as the murder weapon...

If they recover bullets, and the bullets aren't damaged significantly.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:17:34 PM EDT

[#9]

Glock 21 isn't a good example due to the poygonal rifling, but........... they'd still have to tie you to the murder with some other sort of evidence.

Posted: 3/1/2006 5:18:45 PM EDT

[#10]

the other lesson to learn: always have an alibi!

Posted: 3/3/2006 1:07:10 AM EDT

[#11]

That is why you only use " Papered" guns for self defense.

Face it it is one of the risks you take to have guns off the books .

Posted: 3/3/2006 1:10:24 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
and show me the technology that will ID your gun as the murder weapon...

If they recover bullets, and the bullets aren't damaged significantly.

Not a good enough answer for me. I dont see anyone tracing bullets I bought at wal-mart to me gun.

Posted: 3/3/2006 1:19:58 AM EDT

[#13]

Every time I get a used handgun, I replace the firing pin and barrel, Just In Case.

Posted: 3/3/2006 1:25:39 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Every time I get a used handgun, I replace the firing pin and barrel, Just In Case.

Say wha?

Posted: 3/3/2006 1:29:45 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Every time I get a used handgun, I replace the firing pin and barrel, Just In Case.

Wouldn't you be better off to just buy a new one? By the time you spend the money to replace the firing pin and barrel you would have close to the same amount of money invested.

Posted: 3/3/2006 1:38:53 AM EDT

[#16]

IIRC Regular use will slowly change the marks left on the bullet when fired. With the same gun and bullet number 1 fired out of it and bullet numbet 10,000 fired out of it will leave different marks, enough that they couldn't prove beyond resonable doubt that they were fired from the same gun, as always YMMV

Posted: 3/3/2006 2:03:52 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
IIRC Regular use will slowly change the marks left on the bullet when fired. With the same gun and bullet number 1 fired out of it and bullet numbet 10,000 fired out of it will leave different marks, enough that they couldn't prove beyond resonable doubt that they were fired from the same gun, as always YMMV

Quoted:
.... they'd still have to tie you to the murder with some other sort of evidence.

+1 on both.

Posted: 3/3/2006 2:16:29 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Every time I get a used handgun, I replace the firing pin and barrel, Just In Case.

Wouldn't you be better off to just buy a new one? By the time you spend the money to replace the firing pin and barrel you would have close to the same amount of money invested.

Uhh, it was cynic sarcasm.

Posted: 3/3/2006 2:18:54 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Every time I get a used handgun, I replace the firing pin and barrel, Just In Case.

Wouldn't you be better off to just buy a new one? By the time you spend the money to replace the firing pin and barrel you would have close to the same amount of money invested.

Uhh, it was cynic sarcasm.

I need to adjust my sarcasm detector then.

Posted: 3/3/2006 5:20:44 AM EDT

[#20]

Don't watch CSI. It will damage your brain.

Real world, you have nothing to worry about.

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