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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:26:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Hookers and blow
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:27:18 PM EDT
[#2]
I'll have to think on that one. Free speech is a big thing to give up.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:27:21 PM EDT
[#3]
Would YOU trade it for domestic legal machine guns?
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:30:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Why do we have to even talk about trading one constitutionally protected right in order to get the government to leave another constitutionally protected right alone?
Oh and by the way, the government IS limiting both free speech and gun ownership. Why would they make a compromise on either when they are getting their way on both? |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:33:38 PM EDT
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No way. In the American / Arfcom tradition, I;d NEVER be satisfied until I ..... GOT BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:34:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Because some are arguing loudly that is an acceptable manner of restoring / protecting gun freedoms. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:35:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Repealing the 1934 Machine Gun law. I want to buy full auto via US Mail!!!!!!
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:36:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Heck no.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:36:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Who are the 5 people that would go for Anna Nicole? You make me sick.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:36:23 PM EDT
[#10]
I would trade my right to free political speech for [Dr.Evil]one hundred trillion billion dollars[/Dr. Evil]
Yeah that's enough...... PS. If I was that rich I wouldn't talk to anyone anyway. I'd be way too arrogant. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:36:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Anyone who adheres to that philosophy should be deported. They aren't Americans and they don't love their freedom. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:37:34 PM EDT
[#12]
oops
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:38:25 PM EDT
[#13]
Ouch. That may be a bit strong. But we can deport their badly misinformed understanding of " essential liberty." |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:39:07 PM EDT
[#14]
Show an example......so I can ridicule them properly. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:41:52 PM EDT
[#15]
FOPA '86 Traded away MG's to reverse some of GCA '68. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:43:03 PM EDT
[#16]
No
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:43:48 PM EDT
[#17]
Thought you meant in this century...... 
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:44:56 PM EDT
[#18]
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:48:18 PM EDT
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Yes, because then we wouldnt need the 1st Amendment. I can garauntee a guy out in the streets shouting will not get noticed, but a guy out in the streets shouting with an automatic weapon will be given the time of day he is requesting.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:49:36 PM EDT
[#20]
The 1986 MG ban was an atrocity and constitutionally invalid. That said, the abuses that were taking place prior to the 1986 FOPA were worse and effected far more people. The fact that we needed the 1986 FOPA and the fact that we have the 1986 MG ban are both evidence that the US constitution is nothing more than a meaningless old relic. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:49:53 PM EDT
[#21]
AHA. Got Ya. By NOT doing the trade, you have (like Reagan) TRADED AWAY DOMESTIC MACHINE GUN RIGHTS. All for a few other rights that may have been kept or restored. Way to go.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:52:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Its not possible to "trade away" that which you don't have. I can't trade away MG's as that's a right I'm NOT allowed to have its ONLY possible to trade away that which you have. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.  |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:53:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Not correct. The thread was about FOPA 86. The "trade" was "rights lost in the 68 GCA" vs. "Domestic MGs." And the rights regained by FOPA 86 (restoration of rights lost in 68) were GREATER than the loss of "continued production of domestic machine guns for civilians." More freedoms were restored to more citizens WITH FOPA 86 than lost. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:53:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:53:31 PM EDT
[#25]
But according to the US Constitution both free speech and the right to keep and bear arms are off the table. If the constitution has any meaning at all then how can either be up for trade? If you owned your house and your car, would you trade your car to keep your house? |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:54:46 PM EDT
[#26]
FOPA traded away the PRECISE arms protected by the Second Amendment. Its was a Manhattan-esque trade. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:55:22 PM EDT
[#27]
Ahhh but in the above scenario you had the opportunity to regain them. And to be accurate you DO have the right to own a MG. I own several. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:55:36 PM EDT
[#28]
Bingo. That's called "essential liberty." |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:57:33 PM EDT
[#29]
And in NOT trading away free speech rights, I STILL have the opportunity to regain them. I've traded away nothing, and I've lost nothing in a Pyrrhic victory, gaining one essential liberty while giving away another. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:57:36 PM EDT
[#30]
And here you are 100 correct. However the Consitution was violated in 1968 and the rules were changed. Since NOBODY (or at least not enough people) challenged it, we got "stupid new rules." And under the stupid new rules, I'd trade my car to keep my house. I don't wanna live in my car and I can walk to the store. 
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:58:29 PM EDT
[#31]
You are being allowed to excercise the PRIVELAGE of owning a machine gun. If it was a right then there would be no tax, no background check, no registration and no limit on the machine guns that you can own. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:58:58 PM EDT
[#32]
WOW. "...May their chains rest lightly upon you...." |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:59:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:59:39 PM EDT
[#34]
All firearms are protected my the second amendment. It does NOT specifically mention machine guns for obvious reasons. Here again, the primary culprit is the "sporter clause" (which is your true enemy and NOT FOPA). The "sporter clause" is what lets government agencies determine the "suitability" of a firearms for civilians. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:59:49 PM EDT
[#35]
Bingo again. The old ladies are startin to think this bingo game is rigged.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 2:02:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Ahhh TRUE. Very Manhattan-esque trade. Honestly I'd have jumped on you if you DID take the trade, just for the reasons you describe. It was "good strategy." And so was FOPA. A FOPA II could strike the "sporter clause" which would provide a basis to eliminate the 86 and 89 bans. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 2:04:11 PM EDT
[#37]
I'd trade free speech when the .gov makes it mandatory that all people have machine guns.
I'm pretty sure if everyone had a machine gun then free speech would come back. 
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Posted: 2/28/2006 2:04:38 PM EDT
[#38]
IF the rules were changed and NOBODY stood up (as in 68) wouldyou really lose it all? Family, house, car, everything? |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 2:05:31 PM EDT
[#39]
You're right. May our chains set lightly on us all.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 2:08:54 PM EDT
[#40]
No shit, thats more like a form of capital punishment  |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 2:14:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Don't be too hard on SteyrAUG...we are all collaborators in our own oppression to some extent. What did anyone do when they passed the 1934 NFA, or the 1968 GCA, or the 1986 MG ban, or the 1994 AWB, or McCain-Fiengold? |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 3:23:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Remember, your rights are not granted by man....and none should be taken away or modified, or restricted, or taxed....that they are is to the shame of the sheep living in this country...I better stop....I can feel a real big rant coming on....
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Posted: 2/28/2006 4:26:59 PM EDT
[#43]
See? That's just it. That's what youa re not getting. This is where you whole argument implodes. Now lsiten to me and here what I am saying.... FOPA says NOT ALL firearms are protected by 2A. FOPA says SOME firearms are on a "check with me" basis - where the Fed gov't grants PERMISSION to own certain arms. Not surprisingly, MORE "check with me" legislation altion soon passed - in 89 imports became "check with me." Then again in 94 domestic arms with certain features became "check with me" arms that the Fed gov't usurped our rights on. FOPA gutted the Second Amendment, setting legal precedent AS WELL AS the perception that Republicans and the NRA was OK with the Fed gov't having the power to limit access to firearms. Anyway you slice it FOPA was a disaster - a Pyrrhis victory, where we lost essential liberty in a Manhattan- esque trade. And teh gun owners ended up with the trinkets. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 4:34:24 PM EDT
[#44]
without free political speach you don't have any other freedoms for long.
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Posted: 2/28/2006 5:02:24 PM EDT
[#45]
And what YOU simply aren't getting is this did NOT START with FOPA. It started with GCA 68 which ALSO INCLUUDED A MG Ban. Furthermore it laid the basis for the 86 Ban. The 1968 Gun Control Act BANNED the importation of foreign machine guns (among other losses of freedom). But for some reason that one doesn't bother you as much as the continuation of the SAME BAN only applied to domestic machine guns. FOPA 86 was the FIRST STEP to undermine the GCA 68 and it was the FIRST TIME that unconstitutional restrictions of "essential liberty" as they apply to the 2A were REVERSED. You have to see the FOPA 86 as a FIRST STEP and the 1968 GCA as the main target. Otherwise you are simply wasting your time. You can try and get the 86 MG ban struck down but as long as the "sporter clause" remains it can come back at any time. It wasn't FOPA that said the things in RED, it was the GCA 68. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 5:07:39 PM EDT
[#46]
If they met ALL my demands like repeal NFA and import ban, seal our F'N borders from these freakin illegals, etc etc... then I really wouldnt need my freedom of speech to influence them anymore so YES
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Posted: 2/28/2006 5:08:27 PM EDT
[#47]
I get it - trust me I do. My efforts are tightly focused on the sporting clause. GCA 68 was passed by Democrats, right? Well, I've always said "Democrats may run this country down to hell, but I'll be dammed if I'm gonna stand by and let Republicans I voted for do it." (pardon my French) And as I've said, FOPA set a precedent that was QUICKLY followed up with making YET MORE firearms "check with me" gun, restricted access controlled by the Fed gov't. YES GCA 68 did that too. I get it. And I hold GCA in ONLY SLIGHTLY LESS contempt than FOPA for the reason stated - I'll be dammed if I'm gonna watch people I voted for pizz away my gun rights. |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 5:11:15 PM EDT
[#48]
You don't REALLY beelive that do you? What about next year when they undo everything they did with NFA and the borders and etc etc?  |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 5:24:54 PM EDT
[#49]
The under provision 31 section C article 32A of the Wraithtouch gets all demands met and gives up free speech bill I would automaticly get my freedom of speech back And under article 32B I am also immune to prosecution for any events that may take place after said laws are repealed Gotta read the fine print man |
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Posted: 2/28/2006 5:30:51 PM EDT
[#50]
The pot smokers thread is <------------THAT way. |
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