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Posted: 2/28/2006 1:56:31 AM EDT
What does 8x30 or 7x30 etc mean? I am looking for a good pair on binos, such as Steiners but I need more info before I can buy.
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it's like a scope. first number is magnification, 2nd is objective lens diameter in mm.
The rest, I don't know. I have a pair of bushnells that my old man bought nearly 20 years ago |
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That one is just like the one I want to get, the 8x30 Military R. I want to get one for my next deployment, we got a PVS-6 in and looking through it made me realize that a pair of binos would be something that I could really use. |
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I have the same pair. Got them at Sportsman's Guide for 185.00. Added a Steiner Binobag and I was all set. |
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Too Slim's trail tip:
NEVER buy an optical device like BINOCULARS with out first having held them in your hands and looking through them. It's the only way to tell how they'll feel, the optical clarity and the contrast, all of which is which is very important, IMHO. Mike ps - as most "quality" optical products carry with them a hefty price, only a novice purchases these types of products without following the advice above....... FWIW, my binocs are 10X |
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Binoculars today, are way better overall than they
were even ten years ago. They are now designed by computers and the lens coatings are much better. You can find a high quality binocular for $200-300 dollars now. Check out the following wesbite: A Better View Desired.com. Look, at very least, for multi-coated lenses. Best are fully multi-coated. |
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Looked for a while.
Got the Nikon ATBs. The Steiners are also nice. Check out the roof prism binos, the light weight is very nice. Glass ain't cheap. |
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8x30's are a nice handy size for deployment... get Zeiss, Steiner, Nikon, Leitz or one of the other genuine MilSpec makers models. You pay more but they won't break, standard 'civilian' models will. I have a pair of WWII Wehrmacht 7x50 Zeiss Binos and they still hold up great after 60+ years of use.
Steiners are widely used and have a very good reputation with the military and are not too steep on the price. ANdy |
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here is your advice. You will buy a pair of binoculars and wish you would have bought a more compact set sometimes and a bigger set sometimes.
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I bought a pair of Nikon 8 x (30 or 40) at walmart. These binoculars are one of the nicest ones I have ever looked through. Considering that I spent a lot of time using some $1,500 Leica ones that says a lot. The Leica's were just a little bit better but at that price nowhere worth it. Are you ready for the best part? The Nikons were $90.
Go to Walmart and check out for yourself. I was really amazed. They have been getting banged around in my truck for 6 months and are still look perfect. |
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Money talks, and you've obviously never compared a $1200 pair of Swarovski binocs to your cheapos as their is NO comparision to the "contrast" and optical clarity exhibited by high dollar glass. Mike ps - $200-300 bucks gets you a "decent" pair of Nikons or Leupold with reasonable contrast, but don't even compare them to Leica, Swarovski or Zeiss, big-buck optics, for doing so makes you resemble my sig line below..... |
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Somehow, I don't think most folks are interested in paying a thousand
dollars and up for binoculars. My comment stands; and is backed up by folks who know more than you about quality optics. From "A Better View desired.com" (An optics site dedicated to birdwatching).... "...There are quite a view excellent porroprism binoculars in the $200-250 range.." Brands mentioned include Leupold, Nikon, Bausch & Lomb, Celestron, Swift. Here's a quote from Chuck Hawe's website referencing binocular quality and selection: "In many cases, brand name is a guide to quality. Companies like Leica, Minolta, Nikon, Pentax, Steiner, Swarovski, and Zeiss have spent decades earning a reputation for high quality optical products...." All these brands except the Leica, Swarovski, and Leica have excellent models for under $300. My friend John Barsness has written what is certainly the definitive book on consumer sporting optics to date, "Optics For The Hunter". John writes the following on page 156: " As this is written in 1998, you can buy very decent porro- prisms of this size (7X35 or 8X40) for not much more than $100, and $200 to $300 will buy optics almost as fine as any made. mr_wilson, you are confusing highest end optics with high quality optics. You may want a consider a refresher course in reading comprehension. |
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I have heard good things about Steiner Predators. I know light-gathering ability is important--I was once in the jungle in India, in twilight, a tiger was 15 feet away (I was on the back of an elephant) and my cheap Bushnell binocs could not pick the tiger out of the jungle.
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Like others have said, depends upon WHAT you expect to use them to do.
Good luck. |
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Excellent advice. I would also let them sit around your neck for a good period of time. Or however you are going to carry them. Try them in every position you can imagine to make sure they are comfy. |
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I bought a pair of the steiner predators and have been very happy with them. |
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From my experience while searching for a pair of binoculars, as you increase the price, the amount of improvement in quality decreases. In other words there’s a lot more difference between a $75 pair of Tascos and a $350 pair of Pentax, than there is between the Pentax and $1200 Swarovski. For a hunting Binocular, it is pretty hard to beat some of the mid-prices optics made by Nikon and Pentax and a few others. I have used a pair of Pentax 8x40s for hunting here in Alaska in some pretty rough conditions for the last few years and they have worked very well. If you compare binoculars, don't do it in bright light, do it outside at dusk or dawn, thats when you will notice the most difference. As mentioned read some of Barsness's articles on optics, very informative. He posts a lot at 24hourcampfire and there are a couple articles there.
JD |
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nikon monarchs, around 250, worth every penny.
as mr_wilson was saying, look through everything before you buy. |
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My advice go ot Cabela's. Try out differnt ones till you find a pair that works for you. I went with Nikon, they make great cameras and lenses. Thouht they would make a decent bino.i was right, they were really clear and bright compared to the Bushnells. Good Luck!
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I am a gear whore like the next guy, but just haven't been able to justify a set of Steiners, even with the ability to get them wholesale. I have a set of Bushnell Armored binos with green coated lenses that are amazingly clear, costing $25. For that, I can put several sets wherever I need them. I also consider that Binos do not make a good substitute for a spotting scope. For that, Leupold is my game. I did play with a set of Steiners and IOR side by side. Neither gave me a hard-on, but the IOR blew the Steiners away. Since I couldn't get the IOR wholesale, I just decided on no-decision that day. I have no problem leaving a $25 set of binos in each vehicle. Folks wet the bed over having a trunk gun (another post somewhere around here), how likely are they to have a set of Steiners in the trunk when they need them. When you need to see peach fuzz on a set of titties, a set of Steiners at home on the shelf just ain't gonna get you there. |
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Just a heads up and pointer on the cost of 1st line Binos vs standard store ones...
A very large chunk of that extra cost goes into the build quality, a $200 pair of 'waterproof' binoculars are liittle better than spash proof if continually in the field. the $1.000 pair can live all day in pouring rain without a problem. Same with shock resistance, drop your MilSpec binos and they bounce, cheap store bought ones usually don't. Also, do not buy anything that is centre-focus, it will leak, let in dust and go out of alignment in no time. The .Mil use eye[piece focussing A pair of binos on deployment in Iraq will live a far harder life than any pair of binos that go hunting in the woods. ANdy ETA: The Fujinon 6x30 FMTR-SX used to be US MilSpec issue, you can still buy them and the 8x30 version at a not too extreme price www.cambridgeworld.com/Fujinon_Binoculars-Sport_Optics/fujinon_binoculars.htm |
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Tell you about Binoculars?
You look through them and things that are far away look closer. Seriously, heed the advice here: Actually look through them before ou buy. I have a pair of Nikons that have been more than adequate. SG |
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Had a pair of those, but they weren't wide enough for my fat head. Or my eye-spacing, anyway. I would definitely try any of them out before buying, if you can. |
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Second # (objective lens) should ideally be at least 4x the first # (magnification).
One of the best values going is the Nikon Monarch ATB binocs with ecoglass. Light, bright, and clear for under $300. They do not compare to $1000+ binocs (which I have used but cannot afford), but they are a great value. |
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Nah, I want a good long range pair. I am also looking at a compact pair. ARCOM MOTTO: GET BOTH |
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Don't just look through them across the street and admire the view. Spend 10 minutes or more looking through them. If they give you a headache, chuck them.
There is alot of info out there to learn from. Spend a few hours. www.opticstalk.com/ Also check here to see if they have a good deal www.samplelist.com/ |
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