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Have you ever gone to a racing school? Yes, but for Motorcycle Want to do Bondurant and others; also want to do that Fighter Jet thing (fighterjetusa or something) |
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I went to a California Superbike School in 1983 at Willow Springs.
I also went to a new riders school with the ARRA in 1983 at Willow Springs and at Riverside Raceway. |
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Not yet.....but it is high on my list.
We, me and my buddies, are going to try to work it in next year. |
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I've never done the ones where they supply the cars, but I've done a shitload of track days where you use your own car, and last summer I went to a 3-day class on the Nurburgring in Germany, hosted by BMW club of Germany. Used a sweet little BMW 116i rental car for that one.
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did you get to do the straightaway? when I went there (cars, motorcycles, tourbuses on the track ALL AT THE SAME TIME ), the straightaway was closed off (I think it is normally that way though) |
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I signed up for a school day with 2fast (motorcycle) next month.
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I went to the Skip Barber (?) school in Sebring FL about 6 years ago. Scared the shit out of me. I just learned that I really didn't know how to drive like a race car driver. Most guys think they are much better drivers than they are.
All that heel & toe, all on the gas or all on the brakes, trail braking and crap just got me confused. |
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Yeah, during regular tourist laps the straight isn't useable, because in the middle of it is where you pull in and out of the track at the cafe and tollbooth area. The way the school worked was the track was broken into sections, and the people into groups. Each group would do a section over and over for an hour or so, and then move to the next section. During these sessions, the straight was used for some exercises, such as driving a slalom both normally and while wearing "drunk" goggles, and an exercise called "leaning against the barriers" where you would take a worn-out test car that had been donated by BMW and scrape it against the barrier on purpose to practice saving your ass with the maneuver if you had a brake failure. Unfortunately for us, the test cars had been destroyed by the time it was our turn, so we did braking drills. During lunchtime each day, and for several hours on the third day, the track was open for free laps and the straight was wide open. Poor little BMW 116i (120hp!)couldn't really do much on there however, since it's gently uphill. The highest speed I managed with it was 200kph at the bottom of the dip in Fuchsrohre, after hitting the turn before it perfectly, followed by scaring the crap out of myself and my driving partner in the following turn. |
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I've done the same Bondurant "Lap the Oval" school out at PIR. Possibly the most fun I've ever had with my clothes on...
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You're in luck, Mid-Ohio is pretty close to you. You can get into entry level driver's ed with your own car for not too much money. www.racenasa.com/ |
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If you don't wanna spend the coin for a big name school, look up and join a local chapeter of the BMW CCA, Porsche Club or Audi club, I'm sure there are similar schools for vettes etc... but they put on schools at local tracks for ususally under ~$250-$300. I did a BMWCCA school at Heartland Park and had a blast. You learn all the same things. Def. worth it.
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I've done California Superbike with Keith Code. Would love to take a Bondurant class.
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Heh, you'd be surprised what you could learn just playingthe newest racing simulators then without the reservations of crashing. I've learned so much myself, I can't wait to go a racing school one of these days. Trail braking is a lesson in who has the balls to brake late and brake into a turn and turn while they brake, I know I would have never learned that technique in real life first. |
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Ya too bad the oval is no longer here. |
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Yes. I went through a WERA roadracing school in 1990 and raced Mid-Atlantic WERA as well as AMA-CCS series from 1990 to 1993....then I got married.
It was fun while it lasted and racing at Daytona was a blast, but I couldn't afford the time or the money any more. |
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Bondurant is probably the best.
It is expensive as hell, but from what I understand it is worth every penny. If I hit the lottery or a rich old guy dies and leaves me money, the FIRST thing I am going to do for me is go out there and take EVERY course he offers. |
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Yes, still hold my European issued International FIA License to drive just about everything but F1
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Trail braking is not the same as late braking. They are related to each other, but you can do either without the other.
The key to going fast is timing, smoothness and consistancy. They all go together.
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Yes, went to a four day road racing course at Virginia International Raceway www.virclub.com. Had a Formula Ford.
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We certainly didn't think so, but looking back there was only one black kid in my high school and.....
Oops a racing school. Sorry Uh, no. |
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Yup, I've been to a couple.
One was the Bridgstone racing school up in Canada. Had a freakin BLAST. Similar cars to the Bondurant school. BTW, it's where I first learned how ridiculous it is to say that a automobile racer is not an athlete. Driving those cars at speed on a roadracing circuit was one of the most physically demanding things I have ever done. Not to mention the incredible mental fatigue of maintaining razor sharp focus and split second decision making over an extended period of time. Regarding that, a quick funny story. Because we made good time during the day, we were given a extra session at the end of the day. So a bunch of guys pumped up on adredaline and testosterone would be stolked, right? To a man, every person let out a groan, like 'oh, shit. we gotta go out there again?' We all laughed and got a big kick out of it. Also did a Keith Code motorcycle school out in CA. That was also a blast, and I probably learned more in one day than I had in 10 previous years of riding. Also did the Richard Petty thing. That was pretty fun too, but they don't let you go fast enough to really get the juices flowing. I remember you had to stay right on the lead man's bumper in the right position, or they would slow down because they figured you didn't have the control of the car you needed. I kept right where I was supposed to be the whole time, and I'm SCREAMING inside my helmet to GO GO! Wouldn't let you go any faster though, and it was frustrating. |
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I attended Skip Barber Racing School for three days....nothing beats Laguna Seca.
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will be sending the kids to a performance driving school in a few years, there're only six now
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I'm not an exprt so I'm not going to come back with the attitude "I know all" so keep an open mind here with me.
From my understand and how I do it at least on my simulators is instead of braking completely before the turn and then turning into the turn a trail brake invloves braking slightly later then usual so that you end up coming off the brakes at the beginning of your initial turn in and then quickly transition into the gas through the beginning of the apex. It's not a power slide but a super controlled slight slide of weight that ends up putting the perfect traction on the wheels that need the most traction. In all my lack of knowledge of racing a trail brake IMO is almost like a turning phenomenon. I don't even understand why it does what it does to the car. Trail braking is the only successful way to even get a FWD car around a race track with a decent time. If you know someone who has a mini cooper and knows how to trail brake, don't race them on a twisty track that 4 banger will smoke even the most powerful cars on a twisty race track with the right driver. |
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IS that an Alpha GTA? |
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No GD Alfa, Fiat 124 Sport Coupe. 1970 or 71. 1608 Twin Cam, 5 sp, 4 whl disc. Look some much better without the bumper over riders. SCCA ITC. I had an ITC Plymouth Arrow 1600. Also did the motorcycle RR thing for 7 races and 2 track days before life and a trail riding injury killed me. Life without motorsports sucks . I did win my last race though . TGPR 98 rj |
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I used to work with/know a guy that drove like an asshole and maniac. He claimed it was ok because he went to racing school when he was a teenager because he had a fast car and his parents made him go.
By his logic I should be able to pull my gun on people to get my way whenever I feel like it because I have taken a CCW course. |
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Never taken a racing course, but I have driven a rented car before.
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It's a '70. And the bumper overriders have come in handy. I might not make it this season, the car is down for a rebuild and I'm repainting it in the old Alitalia racing livery. I also need new belts, net, helmet and tires(always), ect.... |
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Yup, it was sponsored by Mazda and it was FUN!!!
Gives a whole new perspective on what a driver actually sees on the track, versus what the fans in the stands see. |
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When I did my SCCA school at Road Atlanta in [ lets see, framed certificate is right over my desk ] 2-6-94 it drizzeled rain on and off the whole weekend. I had already been running Solo 1 at Road A since 87 and doing Corvette Club events there so I knew my way around pretty good. I also had some dirt midget and MX experience so driving in slick conditions was no biggie. I had a BLAST . Others did not have as much fun. There were a bunch of cars torn up that weekend and when you do that you don't get credit for the school. With my prior experience I got signed off in one school.
I would be on the racing line hauling ass and I would look over and there would be somebody totally lost, totally off line. Of course when the track changed directions they would be on the green bits doing some "agricultural racing". rj |
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Those come special from the factory - throw in reverse (still going forward), overspeed across train tracks, makes speedbumps non-existant; these are just some of the things that rental cars are capable of . |
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In motorcycle racing trail braking is keeping your brakes on during the corner.
Light rear brake keeps the rear end "settled" and keeps the front suspension a little bit extended. With the front you keep the brake on very lightly, it helps to keep the forks compressed during the turn. If you use the rear brake to kick the rear end out that's not trail braking.
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Yes, motorcycle roadracing school. Raced as an amateur in CCS 1996. Sucked at it, but was a blast!! Couldn't afford to keep doing it.
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My sister works for Richard Petty Driving Experience, I worked there at one time too.
Great place. |
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motorcycles, mostly at road atlanta, keith code, a suzuki school and a few others. road atlanta on a bike, especially before they filled in gravity cavity was an experience unlike any other. i've been on road atlanta in a couple of cars perhaps two laps each time. guy rented a track. i went along, he let me drive his car with him in it around twice, an nsx and a 300zx. nothing compares with bikes as far as im concerned for thrills. i cannot get close to using the full potential of a liter bike on a road course. but it is fun. and scrary. was on road atlanta one time and box turtles kept crossing the raceway. even saw a deer once... |
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It's not a lot of fun when those race car driver teachers with an attitude gets pissy with you because you don't catch on too fast and hurts your feelings.
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