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Posted: 2/22/2006 4:22:40 PM EDT
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This is all political b.s. The ports own the port...dirt, cranes, trans-tainers, docks, rail lines, HUGE container parking lots, etc. A steamship company with a contract to dock their ships and off/on load containers, docks and container cranes straddle the ship and take containers off the ship and place them on 20' or 40' tractor trailers driven by stevadors (sp). The driver pulls the container to a specific parking area assigned by a traffic controller, where a large 4 wheel crane called a trans-tainer pulls the container off the truck bed. The driver loops back to the ship to move another container. The trans-tainer stacks the container in a storage area, directed by the port authority.
The issue is this...the stevadors are not employees of the port authority. It is a private company under contract with the port authority. The stevador companies currently working those ports, have sold there contracts to the foreign operators. It is strictly a money transfer. The same stevadors (drivers) that have been working the ports continue to work there, similiar to a stock purchase. They are not involved in security or any other operations. The port authority still owns the port, provides their own security...real cops mostly retired DPS, city, or feds (FBI, ATF). Customs, immigration, border patrol, coast guard are always around. All of this b.s. could have been avoided if the Bush people had handled it the right way. Dems and republicans are well aware of what is going on, but are posturing to use this issue of Homeland Security in up coming elections. The ONLY bad issue here is that our elected officials are lying (mouth moving) about the issue in order to get re-elected. All of this has been about truck drivers that drive in a circle moving containers. |
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Enjoy your 30 pieces of silver, you fucking cocksucking backstabbing whore!
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Interesting that Dubai is one of 35 ports, 9 ports currently operated by DPW, that allow US Customs to inspect containers BEFORE they are loaded on ships. Obviously this privilege is granted by the soveriegn government who actually owns the port, but I find it very interesting that Dubai was one of the first, if not THE first.
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Pipe down. The UAE isn't an enemy of this nation, & keeping good relations w/ friendly Middle Eastern nations (such as the UAE, Jordan, etc) goes a long way in promoting those good relations, trust, respect, etc. We need more Middle East allies & fewer enemies. Blame our waning control of ports. Keep in mind, there are fewer US-flagged cargo ships; considering the way Americans choose to spend their $$$ (favoring foreign-produced goods) & the way corporate America offshores core operations (design, engineering, fabrication, blah, blah, blah), this is miniscule in the comparison. Also seems rather empty of the legislature to be in such an uproar about a "posible terrorist threat" from a foreign-controlled port when they are practically apathetic/lethargic concerning a certain US-controlled border that is a veritable open door for damn-well anyone who would hoof it. Looks like the pot calling out the kettle, IMO. |
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So do you really believe by having a foreign company manage port operations that the USCG, DHLS, USCS and the port police will all just go away? |
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guess the guy on the radio was right.....this ain't about ports....it is about racism.
Personally I'm more worried about the Chinese doing the same thing...at the Long Beach facility....but hey....let's just slap an ally around. |
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So do you really believe that having a foreign company from a country with strong ties to Iran manage port operations will make us safer? |
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So, no foreign operative could EVER be put into the ranks of the stevadors there, huh? Sorry, but if you give away ANY portion of the operation of a major seaport to a known, unfriendly nation that does not see eye to eye with the west except how to make a dollar, then you have opened the door. It may be only ajar now, but it is open, nonetheless. Nope, I stand firm against the idea and will continue to be against it until I see that the UAE has acknowledged Israels right to exist, condemns Al Queda (sp?), and acknowledges that their religious system has been hijacked by wackos. |
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I support the deal. US Customs and US Coast Guard is in charge of security. It isnt like no other foreign country managed them before?
"The 30 pieces of silver" bit was funny!!---lol |
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So why is it that the two of us see why this is wrong but no one else can? |
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The UAE may not be our enemy now. They aren't exactly an ally either, though.
Oh and as for the "Everyone against this deal is a racist!" BULLSHIT, I ask you the following: Was George Bush a racist for suggesting we break our "foreign" (read: Middle Eastern) oil dependance? |
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One of many ports under foreign control. You think foreign-controlled ports led to 9-11? Run for the hills.
And you're the resident expert on Middle Eastern relations because....? Yeah - that's it. I've several relatives born, raised, & many still living in Iraq, & who I try to keep in contact with, yet I'm "not up on world affairs". Most Middle Eastern countries have strong ties w/ one another, & it has as much to do w/ their own historical & cultural ties as it does w/ politics. Arabs do business w/ Arabs - go figure. Their own relationships can work in the US' favor. For that matter, Russia has strong ties w/ Iraq. I guess we should launch a strike at them.
It's your photo, pal. |
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Screw the ports! The way I see it we have a greater security risk on our borders. Lets take care of that before we stop a "Business Transaction".
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Dude, what strong ties to Iran? You do realize the UAE wants us in their country to counter Iran's influence? You do realize that the UAE lost islands and rights to drill oil off those islands in the gulf because Iran, basically, invaded them and claimed them? UAE is no friend of Iran. Edited to get the correct "their". |
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How would the possibility of a foreign operative in the ranks of the stevadors change? They are using the same American work force. To be quite honest, if they had the desire they could probably get an agent hired on now. |
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Who manages/runs the Long Beach port. Want to take a guess |
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Today, yes. And tomorrow?
No argument against that statement. |
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I re-read my post and nowhere do I claim to be an expert on anything. My statements belong in the 'General Knowledge' category.
Not when it comes to the UAE. But when the subject of 'ARFCOMers with relatives in Iraq' comes up, we'll let you know. |
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President Bush has painted himself into a corner on this issue, and he needs a face-saving compromise to get out of it. Here's my proposal: Let Harriet Miers run the ports.
-Ann Coulter anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi If the UAE states have cooperated in the past against al-Qaeda, screwing one of their companies over on this port deal is going to send the message: "Why should we bother? Nothing we do seems to convince the US we're not hostile, so why should we risk our necks only to be insulted like this? There's nothing in it for us, no upside to allying with the USA." |
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Bob Dole huh? That's when you know it's deep do do. Remember Nafta? All the living prez republican and democrat were for it.
Hmmmmmmm |
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Give Bob Dole $50 and he will lobby congress to give child molesters probation instead of jail time.
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I've been saying it in every thread as well. The UAE is going to be the management company, meaning their people will need to have access to the entire facitilty and will be able to come and go as they please. Why would a terrorist want to be a grunt worker when he could be part of the management company, be overlooked by everyone, and have compelete access to the facility without question? UAE says that their workers will have background checks done in their country. Do you trust our national security to a foreign government? |
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The last statement already answered your question. The fact is DPW has agreed to additional security measures, which have not been made public. My guess is they are in the area of hiring. |
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when I was in afganhistan, the UAE base camp was right next to ours. Those f*ck tards had so much money that all, yes all of the men had some kind of servent. they traveled with big trunks full of nice silver and fine foods. They had money and they used it, just like they used it to buy dole. If you ask me the UAE is playing both sides making all the money they can. there holding good relations with Iran because Iran has a large military force and is muslium. then you have america needing a good allies in the middleeast and sure enough UAE was right there with their hand out, ready to make money and be a friend( more like whore). a large confrontation is coming with the middle east and the west. the rumor of war is rank with nuclear waste from Iran. in opinion the sh*t is going to hit the fan big time.
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Let them have it. If a nuke levels NYC and was entered through a UAE port we could all say we told you so |
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^^^LOL
If they (the terrorists) want to enter the USA. All they would have to do is walk across our land borders. This I believe would be the "SMARTEST" point of entry. |
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This just in:
The Mexican government has been given control of the day to day operations of our borders.The US border patrol will still be patrolling,but the operations logistics have been handed over to the Mexican government. A high level source with Homeland Security was quoted as saying: "We have been assured that the Mexican governement will be proactive in stemming the tide of illegal aliens coming across the border." President Bush was quoted as saying: "I have the utmost confidence in Vicente Fox and his commitment to our border security.Besides,I didn't find out about this until I watched CNN". Not to worry folks,our border patrol will still have a job,but the logistics end of it will be handled by the Mexican government. |
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^^Just reading that gives me a warm fuzzy feelings. Oops its just I pissed on myself!
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