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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:00:20 PM EDT
Desperate-sounding editorial from England...seems the war on guns is not working. Go figure!
No more complacency: kill this gun culture (Filed: 15/02/2006) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/02/15/dl1501.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_15022006 The shooting in Nottingham of a probationary woman police officer, Rachael Bown, reinforces the impression of a loss of control by the authorities over illegal handguns. Her wounding comes just three months after the murder of another policewoman, Sharon Beshenivsky, during a robbery in Bradford. The irony of the epidemic of gun crime in Britain is that it comes at a time when those who legally hold firearms are more policed and regulated than ever before. The heavy-handed approach many police forces take towards licensed owners contrasts with the increasing, and lethal, incidence of unlicensed ones. Before the shooting of police officers becomes any more habitual than it already is, the Government needs urgently to consider what might best be done to tackle the problem at source. Many of the illegal weapons in this country come from eastern Europe. Tough airport security means they enter the country through seaports or the Channel Tunnel, smuggled in via the boots of cars, the backs of vans and hidden in lorries. Customs officers have boasted various triumphs in preventing the illegal importation of alcohol for re-sale. They have clearly been less successful with guns, and might like to reconsider their search procedures. There seems to be a basic failure of intelligence on the part of the police about the black market in these guns. That needs to be rectified, whether by good, old-fashioned policing, or by officers going undercover in inner-city areas where the trade is rife. Above all, though, the punishment for possessing an illegal firearm - irrespective of whether it is used - needs to be severe. The offence carries a maximum sentence of 10 years. It is rarely applied. That must change if society is to be protected. The police have finite resources. It might be as well if officers spent less time checking up on licensed gun owners and channelled resources instead into catching unlicensed ones. Every time an officer is shot the argument starts up about whether police should be armed. There is a respectable case to be made for this, but not yet a convincing one. Paradoxically, arming the police might make them more rather than less vulnerable. An armed criminal confronted by an armed police officer is more likely to kill, before he is killed. The de Menezes shooting last July, like that seven years ago of a man armed only with a table leg, shows that even highly trained officers can make awful mistakes. Arming the police must be the very last resort. Stiffer punishments, ending official complacency about the rise in gun crime, and using all means to take the gun out of society must be tried thoroughly first. |
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Every time an officer is shot the argument starts up about whether police should be armed. There is a respectable case to be made for this, but not yet a convincing one. Paradoxically, arming the police might make them more rather than less vulnerable.
And having a fire extinguisher makes it more likely you'll experience a fire, right? |
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Like Massachusetts. The cops know they can't stop the criminals, for fear of looking like JBT racists, so they beat up on the law-abiding, in an effort to look pro-active... |
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I'm sorry their bobbies are dying.
But its a tragedy of their own making. We warned them. |
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No shit? Say it isn't so!
Really fucking effective, isn't it?
Yeah. In the meantime, the cops can continue to be shot to death. REALLY smart! Unbelieveable. |
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That there is simultaneously profound...and scary. |
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its a more even handed story than alot of us ones |
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It seems to me that only police women have been shot ---- BAN POLICE WOMEN!!!
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That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read.....The writer is bitching about unarmed cops getting shot. And then says that arming them will get them shot.....more? Sorry if you going try to arrest a armed bad guy...you have better bring you own gun. Unless you want to get laughed at WHILE being shot. |
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Not until it is too late, if then. |
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Yeah, more or less. |
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Exactly, kind of like the people that say "the criminal would just take your gun and shoot you with it" They look funny when you reply 'you mean they'd take my empty gun while bleeding?' |
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what amazes me is the ability to come up with such unrealistic, backwards and twisted, illogical conclusions about why a criminal would shoot at the police. Is this the chicken and the egg mix up ? As mentioned, having a fire extinquisher causes fires...I'm sure there's many good analogies.
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Criminals not being "rational"... Gee, who'd a thunk it? |
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Armed criminals!!!!!.......how uncivilized!!!!!!! |
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It's a good thing they have such strict gun control so things like this won't happen...
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It is o missguided I can only stare at the screen in front of me....
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Yep rates right up there with.....if someone pulled a knife on me, I'd just take it away from them. |
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I was just in England on buisness a few weeks ago. A friend that I work with over there is an avid outdoorsman and he clued me in on the latest ban list which is supported by the same bastards that were successfull in getting guns pretty much banned.
1. Any off road vehicles on public lands. 2. Flying kites in public parks.hing. 7. Hunting. Phesant and Fox hunting are allready pretty much outlawed. Any of the above sound framiliar? |
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So when are they going to outlaw breathing? |
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And then harshly scold them: "We DO NOT carry KNIVES in this neighborhood, young man!" They then hang their head in shame and wait for the unarmed police to arrive. |
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When it offends the Muslims, probably. |
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Gun Culture. Is that where you swab out the throat of the bore, smear the swab on a slide and check it under a microscope? What next, two fingers under the lower receiver and cough? |
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AT least he understands the complete and utter fucking stupidity of the Police attitude. BTW everyone; the Police in Northern Ireland (Which is part of the UK) are 100% armed, Glock 17's and MP5's. Anyone want to guess how many NI Police were shot last year by criminals? ANdy |
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I've never understood the whole "if you pull a weapon on a criminal, they're more likely to hurt/kill you" argument.
1) If I'm pulling a weapon, it's because I'm in fear for my life. THEY'RE ALREADY TRYING TO HURT OR KILL ME. 2) You seriously think they'd be more likely to harm me when I pull a fricking weapon on them with the intent of killing them before they kill me? They're more likely to DIE. So, bobbies are getting killed by criminals. So instead of arming their police, they, once again, punish the law-abiding by villainizing their BB guns, airsoft, cooking knives, and what few firearms they're allowed to own. Riiiiiiiiight. So not only is the majority of the UK's population either socialist jerkwads or mindless sheeple, but they're also RETARDED? |
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The majority of the British Public don't get asked. When a BBC Poll came up with the fact that 70% of homeowners wanted the right to use deadly force against burglars the .Gov promptly ignored it... ANdy |
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In other words, citizens of the U.K. don't have true democratically elected representation in their governing bodies? Sounds like tyranny to me. |
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Not nearly soon enough. -James |
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i remember that! wasn't there some labor mp who said he'd do what his subjects wanted and when they overwhelmingly said they wanted the right to protect themselves he ranted and railed at what a buncha bloodthirsty bastards they were? |
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The Tyranny of Democracy.... |
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That's the one! I'm still a bloodthirsty bastard! ANdy |
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Just like all the equipment on a fire truck makes the fire more likely or more intense. |
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What in heck are these politicians thinking? |
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Well then, carry on. |
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Because this has OBVIOUSLY worked so well thus far |
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THINKING? No thinking involved that I can see. When the country decends into anarchy hopefully a leader capable of rational though will rise from the ashes. Mr. Churchhill, your kinsmen need you..... |
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Exactly what the hell good is a bullet proof vest if the criminal just walks up to you because you are unarmed and puts a round thru your brainpan?
I shake my head at the stupidity of the frikkin British Govt. How THEY decended from what used to be the adventurers and explorers of deepest darkest Africa is beyond me. Blue blood my ass, the blood runs yellow in their cowardly liberal veins. Disarm a Country, then wail boo hoo when the bad guys take over................barf. |
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Actually he allegedly shot her below the vest. Worse.
Well-intentioned idealists, who, a hundred years ago were attempting to civilize the Empire. Now, no more Empire, but the impulse is still there. So, they "civilize" Britain instead. Sadly, the unintended consequence is to leave the UK riper for deviants and psychopaths who know how to work the system to their advantage. The good people are left defenceless, spineless, demoralized, weak prey. |
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I don't even know where to start on that idiotic statement. Isn't that the same thing as saying "If I have a fire extinguisher in my house, I'm MORE likely to have a fire." - ? This is so stupid and insane, it almost can't be real. CMOS |
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