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Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an atomic bomb.

We're gonna nuke the nuclear sites?

That moron president of Iran also has stated today that the countries in the Mid-East will remove Israel from the region.

This guy just doesn't know when to shut up.

HH

Iran without the bomb is a paper tiger like all mooslim countries. With the bomb, Armegeddon

Quoted: Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an atomic bomb. We're gonna nuke the nuclear sites?

It seems like conventional ICBMs would be enough to disable a plant or two. No need to go nuclear, all you got to do is get the point accross.

Ok people, get ready 'cause the S is gonna HTF!!

I knew this was gonna happen....
holy fuck, here comes WWIII!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted: Ok people, get ready 'cause the S is gonna HTF!! I knew this was gonna happen.... holy fuck, here comes WWIII!!!!!!!!!!!

We are already in ww4 and this is hiroshima. Wake up.

Quoted: Quoted: Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an atomic bomb. We're gonna nuke the nuclear sites? It seems like conventional ICBMs would be enough to disable a plant or two. No need to go nuclear, all you got to do is get the point accross.

SLBMs are nuclear however.. if they were talking about TLAMS, then I could understand.

I didn't realize we had conventional ICBMs? (b=ballistic)

Dear Lord, this is going to get ugly, isn't it?

I just hope the free world has the balls to strike them before they CAN strike back.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Strategists at the Pentagon are drawing up plans for devastating bombing raids backed by submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks against Iran's nuclear sites as a "last resort" to block Teheran's efforts to develop an atomic bomb. We're gonna nuke the nuclear sites? It seems like conventional ICBMs would be enough to disable a plant or two. No need to go nuclear, all you got to do is get the point accross. SLBMs are nuclear however.. if they were talking about TLAMS, then I could understand. I didn't realize we had conventional ICBMs? (b=ballistic)

I'm not really sure, but it stands to reason we could deliver a decent barrage of conventional munitions to avoid the political cost of using nukes. It would be far less expensive if nothing else.

This Iranian asshole is going to shoot his mouth off on a daily basis. It does have a limit.



He is likely a dead man, but doesn't yet realize it.

Syria has all of Saddam's WMDs and they are right next door to Israel.

Quoted: Quoted: Ok people, get ready 'cause the S is gonna HTF!! I knew this was gonna happen.... holy fuck, here comes WWIII!!!!!!!!!!! We are already in ww4 and this is hiroshima. Wake up.

What was WWIII?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok people, get ready 'cause the S is gonna HTF!! I knew this was gonna happen.... holy fuck, here comes WWIII!!!!!!!!!!! We are already in ww4 and this is hiroshima. Wake up. What was WWIII?

The cold war.

Hope we are prepared for a post stirke Iranian invasion of "volunteers" into Iraq by a half a million zealots wanting to kill or die...

My family is from Iran, trust me, they will be pushovers. Most of the population is young and they got the MTV in em. Nothing to worry about. All this saber-rattling is just the desperation of the ruling religious wackos. They see the writing on the wall, the kids want to snowboard and drink not fight the holy jihad. Hell most of them aren’t Arabs.

If we have the balls to stop the nuke program, one way or the other, there should be little in the way of conventional battle. Sorry to disappoint but no WW4 here.

Quoted: My family is from Iran, trust me, they will be pushovers. Most of the population is young and they got the MTV in em. Nothing to worry about. All this saber-rattling is just the desperation of the ruling religious wackos. They see the writing on the wall, the kids want to snowboard and drink not fight the holy jihad. Hell most of them aren’t Arabs. If we have the balls to stop the nuke program, one way or the other, there should be little in the way of conventional battle. Sorry to disappoint but no WW4 here.

Hope you are right.

(but you describe a lot of American youth w/the MTV/snowboard thing but not our Military )

I am all for removing Iran from the map, but do you guys think using nukes will happen? I am sure India and Pakistan would not appreciate the fall out that they would get from our nuke strikes. I could care less what Pakistan and India think, but the .gov will care.
How far do you guys think we are from this party kicking off?? I would bet that we are still about a year out.

Arc Light missions around the clock on heavily populated areas.

Where's them neutron bombs   ??

There is no such thing as a conventional SLBM, mainly because there is no need for it.

It makes perfect sense that SLBM's would be the choice if nukes were desired, simply because they offer the smallest chance of a malfunction causing a small sun to appear in the wrong place.

We need to hit them, hard, with tactical nukes if necessary to reach their bunkers. I pray that the President will do what it takes quickly, before the whiners can organize a media campaign against it. This could be over in 20 minutes...

Whatever happened to good ole' political assassinations? Why can't we just pay some raghead to take out this idiot president of iran?

Quoted: Quoted: My family is from Iran, trust me, they will be pushovers. Most of the population is young and they got the MTV in em. Nothing to worry about. All this saber-rattling is just the desperation of the ruling religious wackos. They see the writing on the wall, the kids want to snowboard and drink not fight the holy jihad. Hell most of them aren’t Arabs. If we have the balls to stop the nuke program, one way or the other, there should be little in the way of conventional battle. Sorry to disappoint but no WW4 here. Hope you are right. (but you describe a lot of American youth w/the MTV/snowboard thing but not our Military )

I'm 24, nothing wrong with the mtv and a little booze, just so you get your head screwed on strait. With the new technology we have, getting the "good word" out is easier and easier every day. People are people, we are selling the American dream and trust me EVEYONE'S buying, whether they admit it yet or not. Plus girls in bikini’s have the power to soothe the savage 15-35 year old male and that is precisely what is happening. It's the old school we have to deal with.

Bush is an idiot, he should appease and try to understand why Iran feels the way they do.  He should just let the UN take care of everything because they have such a great track record at preventing mass murders and genocides.  Besides the UN holds Israel in such high regard that they would never let anything bad happen to them.  Bush should follow the Neville Chamberlain model making concessions and agreeing to submit to the Iranians wishes because we all know appeasement always has great success, history bears this out.

Quoted: Bush is an idiot, he should appease and try to understand why Iran feels the way they do.  He should just let the UN take care of everything because they have such a great track record at preventing mass murders and genocides.  Besides the UN holds Israel in such high regard that they would never let anything bad happen to them.  Bush should follow the Neville Chamberlain model making concessions and agreeing to submit to the Iranians wishes because we all know appeasement always has great success, history bears this out.

I didn't know you could actually WELD a tongue to a cheek like that.

Quoted: There is no such thing as a conventional SLBM yet, mainly because there is no need for it. It makes perfect sense that SLBM's would be the choice if nukes were desired, simply because they offer the smallest chance of a malfunction causing a small sun to appear in the wrong place.

Fixed it for you.  Conventional ICs and SLs are both being considered, for when you want to destroy a target in 30 minutes or less (longer than that for the sub guys) and you don't want to remove the entire city that the target is in.  

The USAF has been working the idea of a conventional ICBM for about five years now, but there's some practical and theoretical considerations to overcome.  For example, when you launch it, how do you prevent the Russians from thinking it's a launch against them?  Also, the issue of exquisite, almost pure real-time intelligence is a problem--how do I know what to hit, more importantly, what to hit 30 minutes from now when the warhead gets there?

Quoted: Plus girls in bikini’s have the power to soothe the savage 15-35 year old male .......

Hell, you narrowed that age range too much.

The majority of Iran is not like their crazy prez. However, then have no power and no say over the crazy clerics that run the place. I say fuck 'em. Bomb the shit out of them and let the crazy fucks in the streets riot about that instead of some silly cartoons. Then bomb them too. The object of a war is to win not try to make friends with those who want to kill you.

Quoted: Whatever happened to good ole' political assassinations? Why can't we just pay some raghead to take out this idiot president of iran?

Iran Prez is scheduled to goto Cuba to meet with Castro.  We should give him some F18 escorts without even being asked just because we are nice.  Then accidentally shoot him down.

The military has been kicking around the idea of a conventional ICMB/SLBM for quite a while. The payload could be smart weapons or simply a penetrator to get deeply buried targets. Something hitting at mach 20 makes a hole, no matter what. Perhaps they've gone off and implemented a conventional SLBM penetrator warhead without making it public.

Those rascals.

The whole Iran thing gives me the willies, but doing nothing creeps me out even more. We live in a fucked world, and it's a long, dangerous path to get it at least partially unfucked.

Quoted: Conventional ICs and SLs are both being considered, for when you want to destroy a target in 30 minutes or less (longer than that for the sub guys) and you don't want to remove the entire city that the target is in.

Depending on the location of the target, SLBM's would be faster than ICBM because of the distance travelled. Right?  

The USAF has been working the idea of a conventional ICBM for about five years now, but there's some practical and theoretical considerations to overcome.  For example, when you launch it, how do you prevent the Russians from thinking it's a launch against them?  Also, the issue of exquisite, almost pure real-time intelligence is a problem--how do I know what to hit, more importantly, what to hit 30 minutes from now when the warhead gets there?

Yep. It seems that hypersonic cruise missiles would be a better option.

But hey, WTF do I know?

Quoted: Iran Prez is scheduled to goto Cuba to meet with Castro.

The bad actors have been consulting with each other a lot lately. There was an Iranian and Syrian meeting a couple weeks back, and now Iran and Cuba and probably Iran and Chavez. I think the Axis of Evil and the Axis of Pretty Bad are discussing options regarding te Great Satan.

In case you missed this commentary the first time around -

www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060205-100341-6320r.htm

Later than we think
By Arnaud de Borchgrave
February 6, 2006


The man in charge of hoodwinking the Western powers about Iran's now 18-year-old secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Shi'ite creed has convinced him lesser mortals can not only influence but hasten the awaited return of the 12th Imam, known as the Mahdi. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds this will be Muhammad ibn Hasan, the righteous descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at age 5. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between the forces of good and evil, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.
"The ultimate promise of all Divine religions," says Ahmadinejad, "will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being [the 12th Imam], who is heir to all prophets. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace. Oh mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one." He reckons the return of the Imam, AWOL for 11 centuries, is only two years away.
Mr. Ahmadinejad is close to the messianic Hojjatieh Society, which is governed by the conviction the 12th Imam's return will be hastened by "the creation of chaos on Earth." He has fired Iran's most experienced diplomats and scores of other officials, presumably those who don't share his belief in apocalyptic conflagration.
The Iranian leader's finger on a nuclear trigger would be disquieting under any circumstances. Positively alarming would be a nuclear weapon in the hands of a man who badgers Israel, the U.S. and the European Union in belief a pre-emptive aerial attack on Iran's nuclear facilities will hasten the return of the missing Mahdi. Such an attack presumably would trigger anti-Western mayhem throughout the Middle East.
When he became Iran's sixth president since the 1979 revolution last summer, Mr. Ahmadinejad decided to donate $20 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the faithful can drop their missives to the "Hidden Imam" in a holy well. Tehran's working-class faithful are convinced the new president and his Cabinet signed a "compact" pledging themselves to precipitate the return of the Mahdi -- and dropped it down Jamkaran's well with the Mahdi's zip code.
In Mr. Ahmadinejad's eyes, Iran is strong, with oil inching up to $70 a barrel and America, dependent on foreign oil, is weak. He has said publicly America and Europe have far more to lose than Iran if the U.N. Security Council votes for tough economic sanctions. He also figures if Israeli and/or U.S. warplanes strike Iran, all he has to do is give the U.S. a hard time in Iraq as American forces prepare to withdraw.
Moving two or three Iranian divisions into Iraq and activating Shi'ite suicide bombers and hit squads throughout the region would not be too hard for a country that fought an 8-year war against Iraq (1980-88) and had no compunction about giving thousands of youngsters a key to paradise and 72 virgins before sending them across Iraqi minefields.
A top Ahmadinejad officer, Brig. Gen. Mohammad Kossari, who heads the political watchdog, or Security Bureau, of Iran's armed forces, recently taunted the U.S. when he bragged "we have identified all the weak points of our enemies" and have sufficient cannon fodder -- i.e., suicide operation volunteers -- "ready to strike at these sensitive locations." Iranian television recently broadcast an animated film for Iranian children glorifying suicide bombers.
So far, Supreme Leader and Chief of State Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who sits in the holy city of Qom, has not expostulated. Mr. Ahmadinejad appears to have his religious rear well covered. His ideological mentor and spiritual guide is Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi who heads the ultraconservative acolytes who believe the 12th Imam's return is "imminent."
The son of a blacksmith, Mr. Ahmadinejad earned an engineering Ph.D. and is a former member of Iran's notorious Revolutionary Guards at a time when dissidents and "counterrevolutionaries" were executed by the thousands.
A.Q. Khan, father of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, first showed Iran how to build a nuclear weapon 18 years ago. He opened his nuclear black market to Iranian engineers and scientists.
The Bush administration is anxious to clear the decks in a democratic Iraq before facing the Islamist counterpart of the "Rapture" in the "Left Behind" series of books on the end of times by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins.
President Bush says all options are on the table. But the military option is probably the one the "twelvers" would look forward to. Some Washington think tank strategists argue if Iran's Dr. Strangelove attacked Israel with a nuclear weapon, five Iranian cities would be vaporized next day.
It might behoove the United States to sit down with "axis of evil" Iran to find out if the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine that kept the Soviet Union and the U.S. at peace for a half-century could still be made to work.
In any event, one would have to be irredeemably myopic not to see that Iran has an active nuclear weapons program. The only question is how far this secret program is from delivering a usable weapon and fitting it in the nose cone of a Shahab-3 missile with the range to reach Israel. The Israeli Air Force will be "overhead" Iran long before.

Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large for The Washington Times and for United Press International.


If this is true, then a resolution must be swift, decisive, and complete.  Too dangerous a situation to let it continue.

Quoted: Quoted: Plus girls in bikini’s have the power to soothe the savage 15-35 year old male ....... Hell, you narrowed that age range too much.

Yea, no doubt, more like all strait males currenty breathing.

Quoted: The military has been kicking around the idea of a conventional ICMB/SLBM for quite a while. The payload could be smart weapons or simply a penetrator to get deeply buried targets. Something hitting at mach 20 makes a hole, no matter what. Perhaps they've gone off and implemented a conventional SLBM penetrator warhead without making it public. Those rascals. The whole Iran thing gives me the willies, but doing nothing creeps me out even more. We live in a fucked world, and it's a long, dangerous path to get it at least partially unfucked.

One of my colleagues is a real "rocket scientist".  He is working on a convential ballistic missile study.  Imagine a precision guided, heavy DU penetrator traveling at VERY high velocity.  

Quoted: Quoted: The military has been kicking around the idea of a conventional ICMB/SLBM for quite a while. The payload could be smart weapons or simply a penetrator to get deeply buried targets. Something hitting at mach 20 makes a hole, no matter what. Perhaps they've gone off and implemented a conventional SLBM penetrator warhead without making it public. Those rascals. The whole Iran thing gives me the willies, but doing nothing creeps me out even more. We live in a fucked world, and it's a long, dangerous path to get it at least partially unfucked. One of my colleagues is a real "rocket scientist".  He is working on a convential ballistic missile study.  Imagine a precision guided, heavy DU penetrator traveling at VERY high velocity.

Now that's what I'm talking about. sounds great to me. hard to go wrong with the DU.

This could get ugly quick. I wish I had a way to store 1000 of gasoline at todays price, if we hit Iran.

Fuck Israel.

Quoted: Quoted: Bush is an idiot, he should appease and try to understand why Iran feels the way they do.  He should just let the UN take care of everything because they have such a great track record at preventing mass murders and genocides.  Besides the UN holds Israel in such high regard that they would never let anything bad happen to them.  Bush should follow the Neville Chamberlain model making concessions and agreeing to submit to the Iranians wishes because we all know appeasement always has great success, history bears this out. I didn't know you could actually WELD a tongue to a cheek like that.

Was the sarcasm that obvious?

Quoted: Whatever happened to good ole' political assassinations? Why can't we just pay some raghead to take out this idiot president of iran?

Well, it was tried by someone a few weeks ago and it obviously failed....too bad, too.

HH

Quoted: Fuck Israel.

If not for Israel ALL THEIR ATTENTION would be focused on US. I , for one am happy to share.

rj

Quoted: Quoted: The military has been kicking around the idea of a conventional ICMB/SLBM for quite a while. The payload could be smart weapons or simply a penetrator to get deeply buried targets. Something hitting at mach 20 makes a hole, no matter what. Perhaps they've gone off and implemented a conventional SLBM penetrator warhead without making it public. Those rascals. The whole Iran thing gives me the willies, but doing nothing creeps me out even more. We live in a fucked world, and it's a long, dangerous path to get it at least partially unfucked. One of my colleagues is a real "rocket scientist".  He is working on a convential ballistic missile study.  Imagine a precision guided, heavy DU penetrator traveling at VERY high velocity.

Yes, the Kinetic energy of a Convential RV would be unbelieveable considering how damn fast they re-enter.

Quoted: Quoted: The military has been kicking around the idea of a conventional ICMB/SLBM for quite a while. The payload could be smart weapons or simply a penetrator to get deeply buried targets. Something hitting at mach 20 makes a hole, no matter what. Perhaps they've gone off and implemented a conventional SLBM penetrator warhead without making it public. Those rascals. The whole Iran thing gives me the willies, but doing nothing creeps me out even more. We live in a fucked world, and it's a long, dangerous path to get it at least partially unfucked. One of my colleagues is a real "rocket scientist".  He is working on a convential ballistic missile study.  Imagine a precision guided, heavy DU penetrator traveling at VERY high velocity.

Yup, this has been in the works for years.  A highly dense solid projectile dropped from space basicaly, would pennetrate further than could ever be needed into the earth.  the effect is basicaly a man made meteor strike. me like!

Quoted: Fuck Israel.

You are dumber than I thought you were, and that is... well never mind.

Quoted: There is no such thing as a conventional SLBM, mainly because there is no need for it. It makes perfect sense that SLBM's would be the choice if nukes were desired, simply because they offer the smallest chance of a malfunction causing a small sun to appear in the wrong place.

No my former SWO friend that is not the case.  While what you said may indeed be true, all that one has to do is look at a globe to see why ICBMs are not a good choice here.  Launching Minuteman missiles over Russia enroute to Iran is not a good way to ensure the security of the USA.

Quoted: Quoted: Ok people, get ready 'cause the S is gonna HTF!! I knew this was gonna happen.... holy fuck, here comes WWIII!!!!!!!!!!! We are already in ww4 and this is hiroshima. Wake up.

I'd agree that this is WWIV if we and the Brits weren't the only ones that really appeared to have the resolve to fight it. As for Israel if you have any land holdings there you might be a little cautious. I have the feeling that they are in for a rough time.

Alvin

Quoted: Fuck Israel.

Boy,  that was an earth shattering statement. Puts you on the side with Osama Bin Laden.

They say profanity is an ignorant mind trying to express itself.

GR