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Posted: 2/8/2006 1:44:51 PM EDT
http://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/feb06/390715.asp?format=print
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Chalk up another Douche bag officer going over board!All because some guy is taking his kids snowmobiling and get s on the road going to a trail.
What a Fuc*&^@! JOke! Go find some real criminals you Jackass! |
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I don't care if you are a cop, the FBI or the freakin' Pope, if you walk into my home uninvited w/o a warrant you will have a gun pointed at you. You will go on the ground and be handcuffed and searched. When I'm done I'll call the police and make sure you are charged with burgalry. If he's a local cop and his buddys won't charge him, I'll make it a citizen's arrest and march his ass down to the local sheriff's office or judge or whoever. Of course that's all assuming his buddies don't tackle me and arrest me for armed assault.
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He'd have been proned out, disarmed and waited for competent cops to come and verify his identity if he came to my house. Now, if he came to the door and knocked he might get some respect.
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You don't understand. This is how a criminal gets his career started. First, it is riding snowmobiles in the street; before long, he is raping a plundering the community. This budding criminal must have the full weight of the law brought down upon him to stop him in his tracks. |
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I've never understood why many state DNR officers believe that they don't need a warrant to search. A good friend of mine was one for many years, and he used to brag about the things he got away with. He was a fellow Korean vet and otherwise an all-around great guy, but he just had no respect for private property when he was working. Not once did he ever get in trouble for his actions. I was always afraid he'd get shot for breaking into someone's house unannounced or for tearing-up someone's car without reason.z
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When I moved here to TX I was told by the locals that the game warden could come and search my home whenever he feels like it to see if I had been poaching. Not just one but several people have told me this. My feelings are that if you can't articulate a reason well enough to get a warrant then you have no business coming into my home. Anyone know if this is true?
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Game wardens are given a much wider discreation than a regular LEO.
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Especially in this fucking state. |
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The ODNR Game Warden when I was Growing up in Southeast Ohio was notorious for that shit. I saw him call a guys boss for fishing on the job. Dude had a liscence but not on him and was casting alond the road at a resiviour. You get the ticket then mail it in with a copy of the liscence. BUT NOOOOO he called the number on the side of the truck.
Game Wardens can be real pricks. |
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Draw down and disarm that sucker.
Trespass is trespass . How does one know he's for real anyway . |
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Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. |
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But the snowmobile is such a great tool for late night winter poaching...
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+1 If you are legit, knocking will be easy and you will have my respect. Simply having a badge doesn't carry weight. |
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I agree. |
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Didnt a cop in Florida get shot for doing that just a few weeks back?
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Yes, it's simple english but the ones who interpret it are the courts, the federal courts have already ruled on this.......and yes they allowed the game wardens this latitude" And did he knock? or get waved/ gestured in by the daughter of the house? Doesn't seem like most people would walk right in to a house short of a porch to knock on a visible inner door. It's not like it was a domestic violence call or someone was screaming bloody murder. Got to wonder what the whole story is |
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It is. Its so quiet and stealthy. |
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Maybe I'm too practical but there doesn't seem to be much room for interpretation. |
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Hey I'm a strict constitutionalist, if it were up to me i'd dismantle just about everything that is hinging on the "to promote the general welfare" clause. Welfare, goodbye, social security, bye, farm supports, good bye, tax breaks for industry, buh bye, mid nite basketball, good nite, full time pay for senators and congressmen, bye bye, do it in 4 months and quit your whining. |
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Busch308 posted:
When I moved here to TX I was told by the locals that the game warden could come and search my home whenever he feels like it to see if I had been poaching. Not just one but several people have told me this. My feelings are that if you can't articulate a reason well enough to get a warrant then you have no business coming into my home. Anyone know if this is true? Bama-Shooter replied: Game wardens are given a much wider discreation than a regular LEO. If it makes you guys feel any better, I understand they have to replace Texas game wardens at a higher than normal rate. |
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+1 Would've been a job opening up there, IMO. |
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From the original post:
I take it as the GW entered the barn without permission. |
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I was visited uppon by a game warden once. I was bump firing a daewoo dr200, and A few of my friends were firing fast too, and we were on private property, and all of a sudden it is like the dukes of hazzard around us.. A game warden and three sherrifs cars....All tacked out with their ars, and xscoped rifles... We were lik OOOOOshit.. But when we laid our weapons down, and they saw we were all leagal we were appologised to. It is geting bad out there. I am not shure where it stops for the game wardens. I think they will have to have a mini Waco for them to wake up.
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if he was not in uniform I would shoot, if in uniform he would be taken at gunpoint nd arrested for breaking/entering/tresspass whatever and cuffed and driven to the PD/. |
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I have to wonder if game wardens have Police Science degrees like regular cops or if there is some "other" training process. FWIW, I don't think they have any greater search and seizure powers than cops. How could they under the law?
I have no personal experiece with WI game wardens. My brother-in-laws do. They got busted once and ended up getting off because of faulty arrest and search. |
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This shit pisses me off so bad everytime I read it that I want to scream! Are you in a state where Class 3 is legal? Are you on private property or a range/location that allows Class 3? If the answer to both is "yes" then IT'S NO ONE'S FUCKING BUSINESS HOW OR WHAT YOU'RE SHOOTING. Cops need to go catch some criminals rather than play junior BATFE wanna-bees. I swear, there must be one of these posted every month since I've been here. |
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I normally give wardens much more respect than Joe snuffy LEO, only because they typically can't call for backup when we're both 5 miles into the woods and we're both armed. Respect is given and expected. With that said, that mother should have proned his ass and called the cops. He's lucky to not be dead.
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She could have gave him a tit shot in a couple of ways. When my 'ol lady was nursing, she could have squirted across the room! Blind 'em, kick to the balls and kneecap, call 911. She was probably too stunned to do anything though.
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Game wardens in Texas, can search without a warrant with the exact same reasons any LEO can. Probable cause. If they don't have PC and you tell them, "I want my lawyer" or "this interview is over", oh they get pissed and threaten you but, they don't do shit........they can't and they know it. The problem is most people give these guys permission.
Game Wardens are not your friends, they don't care about protecting a natural resource. Their one concern is producing revenue, that is how their bosses know they are working, by writing tickets. It is total BULSHIT that they are given any EXTRA latitude. All you need if they take that latitude, is be willing to fight their ass in court. Expect delays that cost you lots of cash in lawyers fees and it will end up costing more than the fine. [disclaimer] i have NEVER had a ticket from a GW. (99% of my contacts with GW have been positive) |
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ok Mr nazi, I would have shot him |
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The warden was probably worried that the lactating perp would try to flush the snowmobile down the toilet. He had to make a split second decision...
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Quoted:
Busch308 posted: When I moved here to TX I was told by the locals that the game warden could come and search my home whenever he feels like it to see if I had been poaching. Not just one but several people have told me this. My feelings are that if you can't articulate a reason well enough to get a warrant then you have no business coming into my home. Anyone know if this is true? Bama-Shooter replied: Game wardens are given a much wider discreation than a regular LEO. If it makes you guys feel any better, I understand they have to replace Texas game wardens at a higher than normal rate. Game Wardens in Texas need warrants just like everyone else to enter a residence. (there are exceptions, but none are game warden specific). As for the "higher than normal rate" Game Warden is one of the most stable LE jobs going. Pretty much the only openings come from retirements. |
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Around here (since yer from WI too) they go to basicly an "academy"just like cops only it deals with the game regs and laws and some other shit but basicly no most don't have police science degrees or criminology degrees. they do cover some LE related stuff from what i'm told(former co-worker is a part time warden) but not as much as LEOs get. Remeber thier main thing is enforcing game regs and laws. |
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Are you saying they destroy more things than other LEOs? |
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Total BS. LEGALLY they cannot do that. However, if they have been getting away with it for long enough (becasue nobody will stand up to them) then the practice becomes "normal." Scary thought. CMOS |
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Terrie Stangl said Wolff apologized over the phone and thought that was the end of it, too, until the Stangls received in the mail not a written apology, as they had requested, but a citation for $186 and a note from Wolff that read, "If any questions, call me, Rick." guess he liked what he saw! what about the policy of "hot pursuit"? wouldn't that be a justification for entering unannounced? well, not "justification" but a legit (barely) excuse? |
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I had an incident a few years ago that really pissed me off.
Every year, the DNR puts out a snowmobile trail in my county. Property owners are reinbursed by the state to allow the trail thru their property. One stipulation is that it has to be so many feet from any houses, so the trail has had problems because of all the new houses going up around me. The money isn't much, but the snowmobilers like it, so I let them ride thru my woods. So, we get hit a real big snow and I go out with my snowblower to break open a path to my mailbox, which goes right across the trail. I'm just about done when here comes Mr. Ranger tooling up on his sled. He is out doing his thing, ticketing sledders for no registration, speeding and such. He comes up to me and says "What are you doing?". I tell him I'm trying to get a path to my mailbox. The snow is over my knees and I don't want to walk along the road to get to the mailbox. He then goes JBT on me and tells me how he is going to ticket me for destroying the trail and driving a non registered vehicle on the trail. I try to explain that a 36" path across the trail isn't "destroying" the trail and that the groomer will just pack this area down when it comes thru later on. He then pulls his ticket book out and asks for my license. As I am getting into my bibs to get my wallet out, I tell him "I hope you enjoy the trail this year, because next year it won't exist". He then gets real defensive and asks what I meant by that. I finally clue him in that if he wants to give me a ticket, that's fine. I'll see him in court and fight it. I might loose. Oh well. But I'll be dammed if I let this trail run thru my property anymore and if he looks around, my property is the only piece of property that will allow the snowmobiles thru for 5 miles in either way. Too many houses have built up and the local club that maintains the trail has told me many times that if it wasn't for my woods, they would be really screwed to put the trail thru. They will have to double back about 5 miles, jog west and figure out a new way to get north thru all the houses. So, I tell him to get on with it and give me the ticket and be on your way. He put his little book away, starts up the sled and drives away. Haven't seen him since. And I still blow a path to my mailbox every year it snows. |
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He says he did knock and the daughter opened the door. If the husband did not break the law by riding down the street on a snowmobile this entire incident would not have happened. But I guess it is always just easier to blame the cops. |
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Unreal Shadowsabre. Just unreal.
Good for you for standing up to him. CMOS |
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I guess it only takes one bad one to ruin the bunch.
I see others driving down the trail and they wave and seem nice, but I just don't know what the one's problem was. |
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Since when does a child have legal authority to submit a household to entry or search? |
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If a youngster anwered the door at your house and said "I'll go get dad" I suspect you would be surprised if I then wandered into the house and caught your wife half dressed. If I caught a stranger doing that in my house he be kissing the floor pretty fast. |
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