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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:10:39 PM EDT
Tom Sawyer Mfg is going to be doing a small run of custom lowers with our Peace Through Superior Firepower logo on them.
The only thing up in the air is what do we want for the selector markings? My wife came up with "Peace" and "Firepower", but I'd like to here some more. So post your suggestions, I'll pick my top three favorites and they'll get a $25 gift certificate for Life, Liberty, Etc. Edit to add: I don't know yet what their price will be, but you can send an IM to likemopar and he'll be able to help. Here's the first prototype. Looks awesome! 
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:14:37 PM EDT
[#1]
I think your wife may be right. I'll think about it though.
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:16:03 PM EDT
[#2]
"Get" and "Some!"
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:16:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Safe should be = D'oh!!
Fire should be = Ha ha! |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:17:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Looks great!
Peace War ETA: France USA |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:17:37 PM EDT
[#5]
how many entries can we submit? Also, will it be SAFE-SEMI or SAFE-SEMI-AUTO/BURST?
My submission: PEACE - JIHAD or STANDBY - GO TIME |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:17:47 PM EDT
[#6]
Tom Sawyer mfg. is great at what he does, and a nice guy to boot! He let all of us shoot his MG collection last fall!
 DVD, I kind of like Hot and Cold for the selector markings. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:19:39 PM EDT
[#7]
"Love"
"Hate" 
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:20:09 PM EDT
[#8]
"Safe" and "Let's roll"
"War" and "Peace" |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:20:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Safe=No Bang
Fire=Bang Or Safe=  Fire=  or 
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:20:48 PM EDT
[#10]
Safe = Stab
Fire = Ventilate Safe = No Fun Fire = Fun Safe = Feinstein Fire = Norris |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:20:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Jihad! LOVE IT! |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:21:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Safe - Pacifist
Fire - Fighter |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:22:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Safe and SHTF..........
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:22:07 PM EDT
[#14]
You guys got a price worked up yet on lowers?
How about: Safe: UN Fire: GWB For our times. 
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:23:08 PM EDT
[#15]
"Off" and "On"
"Stun" and "Kill" "Locked" and "Loaded" "Negotiate" and "Terminate" |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:24:07 PM EDT
[#16]
"No Bang" - "Bang"
- BG |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:24:17 PM EDT
[#17]
I lost the Tom sawyer mfg username to IM' him- does anybody know it?
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:24:27 PM EDT
[#18]
I like that one....Can it fit? |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:25:39 PM EDT
[#19]
How much, and how can I get on the list????
Peace Not Peace or Orange Red (in defference to Col Coopers color code, orange being aware, Red meaning going hot) or Pax Bellum (Peace and War, respectively) Again, how much, where's the list? |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:26:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:26:58 PM EDT
[#21]
go
no-go |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:27:39 PM EDT
[#22]
Safe = Hand
to Hand Fire = Medieval |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:28:16 PM EDT
[#23]
"Please" and " I Won't Say It Again"....
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:28:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Safe = Calm
Fire = Storm |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:29:39 PM EDT
[#25]
and "go go go" for the auto position
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:29:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Live
Let die |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:31:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Sheep and Sheepdog
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:32:39 PM EDT
[#28]
how about just safe and fire.
 anyways, I hate to be a turd but it may be a legal liability re-labeling a safety feature to something different. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:34:37 PM EDT
[#29]
Safe = Married
Fire = Divorced OR Safe = DU Fire = ARFCOM I really like your wife's idea |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:34:54 PM EDT
[#30]
likemopar Here's one of his threads if you want the IM button. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=267779 |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:34:55 PM EDT
[#31]
There was a big thread two weeks ago complete with letters from the ATF saying as long as the serial number and location of manufacture are not tampered with, you can do whatever the heck you want. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:35:35 PM EDT
[#32]
Safe: Good boy
Fire: Dead dog Safe: Donkey symbol Fire: Elephant symbol Safe: Off Fire: On |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:36:10 PM EDT
[#33]
"Club mode"
and "Rifle mode" Or, just 0 and 1. For those so endowed, "Peace", "Firepower", and "Superior Firepower" would be cool. 
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:37:40 PM EDT
[#34]
+1 Safe--- Hippie (hey, it has a peace sign right) Fire--- George W Mike  |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:39:08 PM EDT
[#35]
I have two:
Safe - Rock Fire = Roll OR (assuming full auto pos) Safe = None Semi = Some Auto = All 
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:42:52 PM EDT
[#36]
heheh,
safe= "IBTL" fire= "SIIHPTPP" |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:43:21 PM EDT
[#37]
:( :) safe = red X Fire = Pic. Purfect Safe = hiss Fire = sputer A fire = flow |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:45:57 PM EDT
[#38]
Can you get this on it ?
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:46:34 PM EDT
[#39]
Locked
and W00T! |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:47:00 PM EDT
[#40]
How about:
MOLON and LABE  CO |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:47:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Safe Single Son of a bitch
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:47:26 PM EDT
[#42]
See I'd have said Safe: Live Fire: Die |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:47:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Im not talking about the ATF. Im talking about some dumbass consumer that isnt a AR veteran. Im talking about the dumbshit that is going to leave his rifle selector on "Norris" when it should have been on "Feinstein" and accidentally kills his neighbors dog. So, then the neighbor sues him. He doesnt have any money so his lawyer recommends that they sue the gun manufacturer. And of course they win because the safety features were unclear and cryptic. Now Tom Sawyer has to close up his business because he cant afford the payments on the multi-million dollar judgement against his business. Now you and I cant buy any more custom lowers and we all die a little on the inside because we contributed to what we thought was a laugh but ended up with a broken business, a dead dog and one more strike against the firearms industry. You may think this is a joke. But im not joking, this shit is seriously real and unfortunatly an acceptable part of our society. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:47:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Since the "peace" symbol is supposed to be based on a MIRV, why not use the elements
Circle O : Safe Circle w/ vertical line or just vertical line | : Semi Circle w/mirvs or just the MIRVs /|\ : Auto or if you only want 2 markings (safe, semi): Safe = PAX Semi = BELLUM |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:47:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Symbols are kind of cool too. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:48:35 PM EDT
[#46]
How, HOW do you figure? I'd say that's a stretch. Besides, it doesn't look like they're being RE-labeled. Looks like they're being freshly labeled. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:50:05 PM EDT
[#47]
That's a good one
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:51:08 PM EDT
[#48]
Legally you can change EVERYTHING except the serial #. The ATF has ruled on this several times. ETA: saw your clarification above. Civil litigation should be defensible based on (1) custom lower not being marketed to lcd consumer - it is aimed at enthusiasts, and (2) a signed, returned statement that the buyer understands that the markings are unusual. By the same argument, someone can sue based on the markings (or lack thereof) on AKs, or in Hebrew on a Galil, or a non-anglophone by the words "safe" and "semi" in place of some supposedly universal symbol, or the use of a supposedly universal symbol in place of "safe" or "semi". The same argument goes for different transmission stick setups: Is a manufacturer to be stopped from making a 6 speed b/c some wrinkle pig forgot that R wasn't for racing speed? Clearly no. What if the selector was left unlabeled at all? Does that remove the onus from the user to safely learn how to operate the firearm? Clearly not. Could litigation or adverse legislation ensue? Of course. It always could and always can. Should it stop enthusiasts from engaging in customization? No. |
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:51:56 PM EDT
[#49]
"Repressed" and "Free"
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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:52:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Didn't we pass that whole lawsuit reform bill? |
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