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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:27:09 AM EDT
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The first effective counterstroke in the cultural confrontation between the West and Radical Islam has been fired by Europe. The Guardian reports:
Commentary Michael Crichton characterized complex systems in the following way.
The first significant notice of the Danish cartoon controversy was carried by Samizdata in November, 2005. The subject was repeatedly touched on in the Brussels Journal, whose Paul Belien describes how an issue on the periphery rapidly gained center stage.
But something unexpected happened. An individual act by a little known Danish politician provided the twist which changed the course of the whole affair.
When little Denmark stood firm the global Jihad probably believed it was simply another punk European country that needed to be put in its place. Danish ambassadors were summoned to Arab capitals. Fatwas were issued. A boycott of Danish goods was organized. It should have led to predictable results, but as when nearly a hundred years ago "some damn fool thing in the Balkans" happened -- in the least consequential place in the world -- the results were unexpected. The two day old article in Brussels Journal continues:
Europe discovered how to recognize shame all over again, but it was not the shame which the fatwa issuers had envisioned. Now the choices before the global Jihad are as follows: up the ante and humble Europe in its entirety or back down and eat crow. If they push forward the likeness of Mohammed will probably be plastered on thousands of newspaper and Internet websites before the week is up. It's a no-win situation for the Islamists which no one -- not the Danish cartoonists, nor Ramussen, nor Muslim clerics, nor even the startled Europeans themselves -- could have predicted. posted by wretchard at 10:04 AM | 93 comments |
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Excellent research and thread. Hopefully the usual path will not be taken with chest-thumping idiocy.
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Funny how you don't see any other religion rioting upon viewing a caricature of their diety.....
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The cartoon crisis continues
More developments on the Mohammed cartoon crisis. Muhammad cartoon editor is sacked 'No one will draw the Prophet' London Islamists target Israel, Denmark Muslim Cartoon Fury Spreads Anger as papers reprint cartoons of Muhammad European papers ignore Muslim fury over Danish cartoons Danish news editor: Dark dictatorships have won And from the Financial Times, the first warning that this cartoon will lead to more terrorism.
Commentary The statements of Hosni Mubarak and Tayyip Erdogan indicate how deep this cultural division is. At the same time many Europeans -- not most, but many -- are suddenly aware they stand on the edge. If they let Islamic clerics determine what Europeans can and cannot print in their own press through a process of intimidation and force, the Old Continent will have surrendered a large part of its independence and sovereignty. The holy grail of every agitator is to find an issue on which both sides are unalterably opposed. Radical Islam has found it the blasphemy of Mohammed and ironically gave those who would rouse the West a mirror issue of their own: the blasphemy of censorship and the extinction of freedom of speech. Both sides now are in too deep to climb down without damage. For the European press the path to this confrontation has been imperceptible, absentminded and catastrophic. Yet all so terribly familiar. The old warnings come naturally to mind.
The fine, broad highway to Hell that is political correctness which has achieved the opposite of its intent: not the universal chorus of harmony but religious conflict at its most primitive level.
But the words are only memories. The men who said them are gone and their heirs are not yet found. posted by wretchard at 11:56 AM | 64 comments |
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The other battle of the comics
Anyone looking for tea-leaves to read in battle for hearts and minds in Europe may note that a law which might have prohibited publication of the Danish cartoons was narrowly defeated in the UK. The Brussels Journal reports:
One of the heroes of the hour was apparently Mr. Bean. The Times of London reports:
The campaign prised wavering individuals from disparate groups to eke out the narrow victory. On the defeated side the search for scapegoats has already begun. Fingers are already being pointed at Labour Whip Hilary Armstrong for having failed to carry the measure despite the party's superiority in the House of Commons. The Independent reports:
Commentary As the repeated and unceasing submissions of the European Constitution to the electorate illustrate, it's unlikely that Parliament has seen the last of this issue. The only quote I could find from Mr. Bean appropriate to the occasion is this: “We are in the stickiest situation since sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun.” posted by wretchard at 2:40 PM | 16 comments |
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Now the fucking US State Department (bunch of pinkie liberals, whole lot should be fired) have come out ON THE MUSLIMS SIDE!
today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-02-03T171307Z_01_N03197247_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-USA.xml Unfuckingbelieveable. I guess that "piss christ" would have been more easily managed by catholic groups if they promised to riot and perform acts of terrorism instead of trying to deal with funcing for the NEA. |
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Don't make fun of the Muslim's.....you'll get your head chopped off a buck says this thread is locked before 5:00pm |
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Thursday, February 02, 2006
Last word on the cartoon crisis Last word on the cartoon crisis from Sisu quoting Laurence Simon.
Who's to blame for the caricature of Mohammed? According to a cartoon from Bahrain, the Zionists of course. (Volokh Conspiracy) (From Michelle Malkin) Read this CNN report very carefully:
The offending cartoons from the Danish newspaper. All of them. The rest are spurious. Commentary Heh. posted by wretchard at 6:59 PM | 104 comments |
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Friday, February 03, 2006
Interesting times It's possible to regard the cartoon crisis as either a strategic disaster or boon for the War on Terror. The argument for being a disaster is assertion that in the war against extremists it is necessary to win over the moderates. And even if winning them over is impossible one may still be capable of keeping them neutral or indifferent; but at all events to avoid raising the Muslim masses in an emotional war against the West. The Danish cartoon crisis has managed to ignite what the Bush administration hoped to avoid from the beginning: turning the War on Terror into a War with Islam. Now an incident arising from a relatively obscure newspaper in Denmark has forced a choice between the most deeply held of all Western values, freedom of speech, with the cherished strategic goal of keeping the Muslim "street" aboard in the War on Terror. The argument for regarding the Danish cartoons as a boon is premised on the belief that President Bush's attempt to separate the War on Terror from Islam was doomed to fail anyway; that it was better to face that question now than later. According to this point of view, a view reinforced by the election of Hamas in the Palestinian territories, cultural and religious issues were at the root of international conflict. That mere voting -- in Palestine for example -- would never be sufficient to establish a liberal democracy for as long as the underlying culture remained hostile and aggressive to democracy's roots. Ralph Peters argued that America's shiny weapons were striking at the wrong targets. The West was, like it or not, engaged in a contest of cultures, one it did not know how to fight.
Samuel Huntington wrote in a 1993 Foreign Affairs article that the primary driver of international conflicts in the 21st century would be a clash of civilizations.
This does not mean that all-out hostilities between Islam and the West are unavoidable. But it does imply that cultural conflict and competition is inevitable and that these clashes must be played out on some sort of battlefield, though not necessarily a physical one. The attitude of many Western intellectuals paralyzed by the cult of multiculturalism is ironically that "they don't do culture". Mark Steyn understood that multiculturalism was fundamentally about evading cultural conflicts rather than resolving them. In the New Criterion he wrote: "the great thing about multiculturalism is that it doesn’t involve knowing anything about other cultures—the capital of Bhutan, the principal exports of Malawi, who cares? All it requires is feeling good about other cultures. It’s fundamentally a fraud, and I would argue was subliminally accepted on that basis". The challenge raised by Peters, Huntington and Steyn is to accept the challenge of a clash of civilizations and find modalities -- preferably peaceful ones -- in which to resolve them. No one can foresee where the Danish cartoon controversy will lead. At best both sides will return to their lines of departure after having made their points, each with a renewed respect for the other. The West should understand, if it didn't realize it before, that Muslims are willing to fight for their religion. And Muslims should understand, from the cartoon controversy, that whatever they had heard to the contrary it goes double ditto for the West. And in the long run that grudging respect may make the the process of winning over the Muslim moderates easier than feigning the cheap and superficial attitude of multiculturalism. For who in Islam would believe in us if we did not believe in ourselves? Who in Islam could trust that we would fight at their side if we could not defend all that we were, all that we believed? posted by wretchard at 10:17 AM | 8 comments |
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We live in a world of man made complexity...........and 90% of it is useless! |
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My hats off to those EU countries for, after seeing the shitstorm the good and proud Danish recieved from the muslim twits, posting the pics. Wonder if any American paper will have the nuts to post them.
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hear is an email I just sent to kurt at the state dept. . I'm probably on some list anyway .
You people are UnFu**ingbelievable . Your going down with headchoppers cause of a simple line drawing of an asshole ? Quit kissing their ass they hate us I know it , you Know it . While I was singing "Jesus Loves the little childern yellow black or white they are precious in HIS sight" 40 years ago these idiots TEACH their "people" to hate and you support them . The recent hammas vitory speaks volumes of muslim intent . "Pissed Christ" Oh yea that Maplethorpe trash is fine for Christians , but a picture of a raghead and you freak ? If it sounds like I have no respect for muzzies it's because I dont , respect is earned . They havnt done anything to deseve respect ....ever , unless discovering bricks and dirt fills the bill. Grow some balls Kurt |
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East of Gaza
"Clinton warns of rising anti-Islamic feeling" -- that's the lead in a Yahoo! News article quoting Agence Press France. The incident former President Clinton refers to is the caricature of Mohammed by cartoonists in a Danish Newspaper.
Here's what the fuss is about. Palestinian gunmen take over EU office to protest Danish cartoons Danish paper apologizes over Prophet cartoons ‘Deal with Danish offenders strongly’ And so on. I think the Big Pharaoh's view on the issue is somewhat better than former President Clinton's.. He hates the cartoons but doesn't think anyone has the right to forcibly suppress them.
Commentary Zombietime's coverage of the Save Tookie Williams demonstrations features a couple of leftist girls doing a sacramental song and dance they somehow felt appropriate to the occasion of the execution. The words went like this: "We use these hands to touch our clits; we like to come, that's no shit!" No shit, Sherlock. Those of us who are used to leftist ritual, whether they be invitations to listen the Vagina Monologues, offers to sniff at the sacred Chocolate Factory or worship at the altar of infant sacrifice; we the people who have become inured to Robert Mapplethorpe and Piss Christ have come to accept the existence of evil as the necessary consequence of freedom.
But with that acceptance comes the unceasing struggle to stand on the side of angels when one might cross to the devils. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom in more ways than one, and its principal battlefield is the human heart. We can tolerate the presence of evil in our midst only if we are prepared to cleave to the good. There was a time this foolish and ugly religion of the Left could have been laughed to scorn; but no longer. We have our Garden still, though we can hardly see it for the weeds. posted by wretchard at 10:46 PM | 71 comments |
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Well, I bet it has no trouble with the Washington Post cartoon depicting a quadraplegic soldier begin judged "battle hardened" by Dr. Rumsfeld. It didn't seem to make a point with me as I always viewed Rummy as a straight shooter that eschews euphemisms. I'm unsure what value CNN has for me personally anymore. I don't hate it, I just find it like a "warm" water faucet and quite unappetizing. |
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Saturday, January 28, 2006
Progressive thinking Two Christian pastors were convicted in Australia for vilifying Islam. The Sydney Morning Herald reports:
That's not too surprising. Everyone knows Oriana Fallaci is facing charges before an Italian magistrate for her criticisms of Islam. What about this: a French member of parliament has been convicted in court of making derogatory remarks about homosexuality. The The Brussels Journal notes:
Again you might say, no surprises here either. But what about this: An Austrian cartoonist is facing charges in Greece for writing a satire on the life of Jesus in his home country. The Guardian reports:
Whole categories of discourse are now being outlawed in the West. At least two celebrities are fighting this trend, probably because they lead active lives of the mind. One of them is Mr. Bean.
The other is Michael Crichton. At a speech entitled "Fear, Complexity, Environmental Management in the 21st Century" that he gave before Washington Center for Complexity and Public Policy, Crichton described one the major unrecognized dangers stalking the world: bad information. Crichton meticulously showed how grossly hysterical coverage of Chernobyl reactor incident, for example, caused deaths far more numerous than the incident itself. He went on to trace the history of public policy fads, Global Cooling, the predicted Y2K meltdown, the Population Bomb, Electromagnetic Fields and so on, and shows how we have nearly forgotten them in our rush to replace them with new ones. We live once again, in Carl Sagan's phrase, in a demon-haunted world. Commentary It has been observed that Marxism was itself a religion. It had its martyrs, processions, ritual flagellations, paradises; and other things besides, though they went by other names: but chiefly it had its Inquisitions -- the Great Purges, the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution -- which consumed millions. It is ironic that the single greatest imperative of its ideological heirs is the urge to persecution. At heart political correctness is the rejection of the scientific method. Truth is measured by conformity to the unholy writ. What is the essential difference between these two reactions to blasphemy? Harvard Chief's Comments on Women Assailed Washington Post
Mark 14:61-64 King James Bible
Except two thousand years. Blasphemy is the end of argument. The high priest rent his clothes as though it settled something. The West is menaced not only by its declining fertility but by an assault on its intellectual core. We have become as the Ancients whose ideas of freedom went on to illuminate distant generations, but not their own descendants, who hastened to embrace the following dark. posted by wretchard at 5:33 AM | 159 comments |
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If I disappear I didnt mean to !
State dept. auto reply: Thank you for your question to the U.S. Department of State web site. Your question has been received and we are working on an answer for you. Question Reference #060203-000292 --------------------------------------------------------------- Summary: Kurtis Cooper Category Level 1: Foreign Policy Category Level 2: Expressing Foreign Policy Opinions Date Created: 02/03/2006 03:03 PM Last Updated: 02/03/2006 03:03 PM Status: Unresolved |
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Re-reading William Manchester's "Alone"
In popular memory there was no interval between the end of the British policy of Appeasement towards Hitler and the new resolution ushered in by Winston Churchill. But in fact there was a phase known as the Phoney War during which Britain was technically at war with Nazi Germany without engaging in major operations against it. The Phoney War spanned the period from September 1939 to May 1940 -- the Fall of France -- and marked a time when though Appeasement had died its ghost had not yet been laid to rest. In addition to the natural fear of incurring mass casualties by confronting the Wehrmacht, some in Britain like Lord Halifax and perhaps Chamberlain himself, still Prime Minister, hoped that Hitler would not attempt the Maginot Line and turn his energies East. Although today it is fashionable to think of Appeasement as the political embodiment of cowardice it was coldly calculated to bring the Dictators into conflict and -- so Chamberlain hoped -- into annihilating each other. By selling out Austria in the Anchluss, the Czechs in the Sudetendland and nearly betraying Poland over the Danzig corridor Chamberlain was tempting Hitler ever further east into what he hoped would be an eventual clash with the other monster, Joseph Stalin. He did not reckon that evil, while coarse, is surpassingly cunning. The announcement of the Molotov-Ribbentrop nonagression pact on August 23, 1939, just a week before Poland was finally invaded by both Hitler and Stalin, made plain to Chamberlain that he had been outwitted. If Britain intended to drive Hitler East, Stalin had instead turned Hitler West. Nothing remained to Chamberlain and Britain's enervated armed forces but to gather up the tatters of their strategy and huddle behind the army of France. Having staked everything on diplomatically containing Hitler while neglecting Britain's defense -- not provoking Hitler was a deemed essential for diplomacy to succeed -- Chamberlain had no Plan B. He had wagered all and lost. Churchill assumed the Prime Ministership the day Hitler raced his armies across France. Every catastrophe he had warned against had come to pass. And he was finally handed the reins in haste by the very men who had taken Britain to the edge of precipice, its armies trapped on the continent, its allies smashed, its air force outnumbered; desperate and alone. It is an old and familiar story which bears repeating because it illustrates how far leaders can be trapped by webs of their own making. Like the politicians of the 1930s the leaders of the West after September 11 each made their own calculation. In America's case it took the shape of thinking that it could make common cause with the most enlightened elements of Islamic civilization against fundamentalist extremists who were vying for Islam's soul. The strategy for achieving this goal, though reviled as simplistic, was anything but: America would not pick a fight with Islam itself. Rather it would make itself Islam's friend, ally with its most moderate elements, overthrow its worst oppressors and enlist the aid of the Muslim everyman against the Osama Bin Ladens of the world. In practice it would build a web of relationships with intelligence services, soldiers, intellectuals and politicians in Islamic countries who would provide the information and in cases the manpower to hunt down fundamentalist villains. The War on Terror would be to wars what Smart Bombs were to bombs. It would destroy the miscreants while leaving the surrounding structure untouched. It may be that Europe's calculation was more cynical. But it was equally sophisticated. It would pursue a policy of Appeasement which like Chamberlain's was calculated to drive one nuisance against another, pitting America against Islamic fundamentalism in the hopes that one would wear the other out. And the key to Europe's establishing its bona fides with Islamic countries was to make nice at every opportunity; avoid giving offense; be lavish with aid; open to immigration and obstructive to America at every turn. Like the appeasers of the 1930s it paid for its diplomatic strategy by systematically weakening itself. The crisis over the Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed has ironically struck the weakest point of both strategies. At present the crisis is not a danger to the grand strategies of either. But as the days pass the danger grows that it may get out of hand; that some Islamic cell may detonate a bomb in Europe or some skinhead burn a mosque. And then the consequences may incalculable. For America an open antipathy between the West and Islam would destroy its carefully crafted attempt to ally itself with the Muslim street. It would place Washington in the intolerable position of having to choose between its old European allies and its newfound friends in the Middle East and Central Asia. For Europe the consequences would be no less disastrous because in following the policy of Appeasement its leaders have risked falling so far behind their publics that they now find themselves unable to steer the course of popular events. Europe is angry and Chirac, like Chamberlain after the Sudeten crisis, is too far behind the curve of popular opinion to seize its leadership. Chamberlain understood it and brought Churchill into his cabinet to bolster his credentials when he himself had none. The Dutch blog Zacht Ei shows how far things have come in the space of a few days.
A contest to humiliate Mohammed has been launched not in Texas, not in Israel but in the Netherlands. The Netherlands. Almost inconceivable. A smoldering match in a continent riddled with unassimilated Muslim enclaves. Now the European leaders who staked their careers on political correctness and oleagenous kowtowing to radical Islam find themselves unable to assert themselves. It's a moment when Nicolas Sarkozy or Hirsi Ali may count for more in dampening the anti-Mohammed wave than Chirac or Dominique de Villepin. The key challenge for the leaders of Europe is how to get out in front of their publics; hard because they are so far behind. Yet the cartoon crisis has been cruelest to radical Islam because it has upset the timetable for the slow demographic conquest of Europe. It forced the crisis before the time was ripe to win an outright trial of strength. And it has deranged the carefully crafted plan to hold Europe politically neutral while the Islamists concentrated their force on their most dangerous enemy, the United States. Unless the Islamists can reverse or at least pause the process of confrontation it will find itself engaged on two fronts, against Europe and the United States simultaneously. Like all historical comparisons this one is inexact. The world of the late 1930s can never be compared to the opening decade of the 21st century. Nazism is not Islam nor is Hitler Osama Bin Laden. But I think some valid correspondences still remain between the Phoney War and the period between September 11 to the present. Both are marked by an attempt to maintain a disintegrating status quo long after it became imperative to exchange it for a new model of relationships. Both are marked by miscalculation as political leaders find themselves struggling to overtake the tide of events. Both mark the end of the last boundaries between the familiar and the dark, unknown future. What did Churchill feel, one wonders, in those desperate days when he did not know the end yet went on?
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I'm too lazy to look around, anyone got a link to the cartoons?
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tag,
if nobody else has posted it, here is a link to the story of the Danish embasssy in Syria being burned to the ground. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4681294.stm Thanks for the links to excellent commentary, ArmdLbrl. I hope nobody gets this thread locked, since it is full of great information. |
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This should be enought to justify the total distruction of the Muslim culture.
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Sunday, February 05, 2006
Unintended consequences The cartoon crisis shifted course ever so slightly as the White House held Syria responsible for the burning of the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus. The Washington Post quoted presidential press secretary Scott McClellan as he read a statement from Crawford:
The embassy attacks were ostensibly the outcome of Muslim outrage at the depiction of Mohammed by a Danish newspaper, a representation considered blasphemous. But the direction of the crisis has been nudged from the outset by groups hoping to turn its emotionally explosive content to their purposes. The Guardian describes how radical Imams took four month-old embers and fanned them into flames.
But fire once kindled can take on a life of its own. The demands for apologies and the deluge of threats against Denmark created the opportunity for a pushback which some were quick to seize. Guardian account continues.
On February 1 the flames had spread to the Internet. The cartoon issue, which did not register on the Technorati blog search index on January 31, became within 24 hours topics 1, 2, 3. As of this writing it threatening to solidly block out the top five. But embassy burnings in Syria provided the opportunity for the White House to re-secularize what was rapidly becoming a religious and cultural conflict. The White House seized the chance to point out these arsons were not religious outpourings but deliberate acts of a State -- the Assad regime to be exact -- a State with bitter enemies throughout the Islamic world, thereby harnessing the charged climate of public opinion to advance its strategic agenda. It's reasonable to surmise that the first victim of the frisson that ran through Europe has already been Iran. Opposition within the IAEA to referring Teheran to the Security Council over its uranium enrichment program suddenly collapsed -- almost unnoticed -- as the furor over the cartoons rose to a screeching pitch.
One of the things which may contributed to this lopsided vote was the sudden European realization, on account of the cartoon crisis, that things were serious, that the hour was late. And for that we may ultimately have to thank Islamisk Trossamfund. posted by wretchard at 5:13 AM | 24 comments |
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Should send that to a tabloid in Europe. |
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February 04, 2006
More lies from Danish Imams (Updated 2/5) Last Friday the CT Blog revealed how a delegation of Danish Muslims, led by Copenhagen imam Abu Laban, toured the Middle East in December and showed fabricated cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed in a very offensive fashion, even though the pictures had never appeared on Jyllands Posten. The controversy has now exploded in Denmark. Friday night Danish public television, DR, ran two interesting stories about Abu Laban, the man who organized the delegation's trip to the Middle East. While the first profiled him, showing his extensive links to the Egyptian group Gamaa Islamiya, the second showed his double-talk. Abu Laban, in fact, was first shown speaking on Danish television condemning the boycott of Danish goods (in English), then shown interviewed on al Jazeera, cheerfully commenting on the effectiveness of the boycott (in Arabic). To see the stories go to DR's website, click on "Se TV AVISEN" on the right and select the news broadcast from Friday, Feb. 3, at 9 PM (the stories start on the 23rd minute). Moreover, Andy Cochran has just made available to me the English translation of the Arabic letter that the Danish Muslim delegation presented during their tour of the Middle East. To see the document, irrefutable proof of the delegation's intent to create animosity, click here: Download danish_letter.pdf UPDATE 2/5: The original files in Arabic and Danish, first published in the Danish daily Ekstra Bladet, can be found here. Posted by Lorenzo Vidino at 09:11 PM | Permalink | TrackBack (2) |
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I do not know if anyone here reads from FARK.com or not but its a page of news from around the world. They have photshop contest on pics and what not along with headline news. WEll I just got done with one and waiting for them to upload the pic. I think this whole thing is quite funny. Sometimes you just need to see the humor in life.
Fark.com IF this is against COC just remove my post dont lock the thread. Fark.com photoshop contest And my 5 minute job being uploaded to Fark.com contest! |
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Today, the Danish consulate in Beirut, Lebanon was torched.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm ... and Iran threatened to stop selling oil to Denmark. That last one made me laugh. Yeah - whatever. Force us to buy our oil for Norway, and develop our windpower farms even more (Denmark is the world leader in windpower technology) - then we'll see who laughs in the long run. |
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I'm sure you can also call on the EU's strategic reserve, do the Islamofascists understand that Britain and Norway are two major oil producers? I for one welcome the Islamofascist call to boycott the west, see how long it is before they end up back in the 7th without us. ANdy |
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An Indian newspaper columnist 'Gets' it' so why can't the West?
ANdy The right to laugh at gods Last week newspapers in France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Switzerland, in a gesture of solidarity with Denmark, reprinted the Danish cartoons that have enraged the Islamic world because one of them depicts the Prophet Mohammad, and any depiction of him is considered blasphemy in Islam. In Paris, the newspaper France Soir added a cartoon of its own of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods seated on a cloud under a headline saying ‘Yes we Have the Right to Caricature God’. In Europe, from where I write this piece, the controversy made headlines but could have been played down in politically correct Bharatvarsha. So, for those of you who may not have followed the story here is a precis. In September a small Danish newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons in one of which the Prophet Mohammed was shown wearing a bomb-shaped turban. This caused a furore in the Islamic world and Libya, Saudi Arabia and Syria have withdrawn their ambassadors to Denmark. Many Islamic countries demanded an apology from the Danish government, which has pointed out that in a free society a government cannot apologise on behalf of a newspaper or tell it what to print. As someone often accused of targeting Muslims in this column, I have followed the Danish cartoon controversy with interest. I believe it strikes at the root of the difficulty us infidels face in dealing with Islam and Islamists. Irreverent infidels like me, and there are many of my kind in free societies, believe that religion and the gods must be kept within the realms of literature and even cartoons. I believe the fatwa against Salman Rushdie was an outrage and the murder of Theo Van Gogh an act of barbarism. The Dutch filmmaker was killed in 2004 because he made a film on violence against women in Islamic societies. Is it not time we stood up against Islam’s repeated attempts to impose its will, values and ideas of blasphemy on the rest of us? Is it not time we demanded that Islam retreat to the private sphere it inhabited before the advent of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and Osama bin Laden? Is it not time that the Islamic world recognised that its ideas of blasphemy are different to ours? We infidels can laugh with and at religions and gods and we must stand up for the right to do so. Increasingly, because of the rise of Islamic terrorism, we see Muslims perceive themselves as victims of an international conspiracy to malign them and their religion. At the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, two weeks ago, I attended a session on Islam and the World and was surprised that nearly all the panelists expressed a deep sense of grievance. One gentleman of South Asian origin but living in New York said, ‘‘Just look at the way today’s terrorists are described in the international media—as Islamic terrorists. This has never happened before, the IRA were never called Christian terrorists.’’ Maybe not, but we do know of Tamil terrorists. The other grievances expressed were, in my view, equally baseless. One complaint was that the Muslim world was unable to change its image because the Western media did not cooperate in this exercise. Excuse me? The Western media is under no obligation to cooperate but by and large has been so politically correct when it comes to Islam that the riots in the suburbs of Paris were never discussed as ethnic. Every commentator I read was at pains to point out the social and economic reasons why Muslim youths went on a rampage in which private cars and public property were targeted. After the London bombings every effort was made to assure the general public that this was the work of a handful of madmen and had nothing to do with Islam. When Western reporters write about ethnic violence in India, Muslims are always portrayed as victims and efforts made to balance radical Islam with Hindu fundamentalism, an annoyingly unfair comparison. Islam has its Prophet and its book and Muslims have every right to consider them sacred. The Islamic world has the right to ban other religions and their temples from existing on Islamic soil if it so wishes. That is their way. The problem only arises when Islam tries to impose its ideas on those of us who are not Muslim. The concerted attack on the Danish cartoons appropriately resulted in Europe closing ranks behind the Danish newspaper. We must stand up for the right to laugh at the gods, it is a right worth preserving and, besides, this is our way. http://iecolumnists.expressindia.com/full_column.php?content_id=87288 |
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Not to pick on you or anything, but since almost ALL of the other thread have been locked, I'd rather we didn't take the chance with this one, since it is such a great thread with so much info. let's not ruin it with pictures or statements that may get it locked. |
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I had the assumption that you were able to supply yourself with oil? How much do you have to import? And BTW, windpower sucks - go nuclear. |
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Here's an email a guy in Turkey sent to Instapundit
I dunno if that priest mentioned there is the same one that was shot dead in this article near the Black Sea. One is happenstance, twice is enemy action. Hey, if they want to declare war on the Catholic Church directly, fine by me. We've done this whole holy war thing before guys. Also, read this: michellemalkin.com/archives/004465.htm The Imam here is the guy that added three cartoons to the 12 when distributing letters to Muslim governments. He felt the 12 weren't offensive enough.
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I'm not sure - but I do know that there are a lot of StatOil filling stations in Denmark But Denmark definitely does have it own oil and natural gas, just not anywhere near as much as Norway. (Don't get me started however- a lot of people are still bitter about the oil fields that are in a part of territory that Danmark agreed to give to Norway many years ago - people still HATE the minister that signed that treaty, and many suspect he was drunk when he did). ... and for some reason Denmark has a dislike for nuclear. ALthough we actually had nuclear reactors for a long time (mostly for scientific and exprimental purposes). I actually got to see the reactor of one of them, since I visited - back in my high school dats when I thought I was going to be a physicist - and they had the top off for maintenance, so I got to look into it. Very cool stuff, when you are a kid. |
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I guess a campaign could be started in which the comics are printed out, fax numbers in Islamic countries randomly pulled up in a google search and then just fax the bajeezus out of these overly sensitive Islamic types and let them know that we'll draw all the damn cartoons of the prophet that we please.
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All the interesting press commentaries repeated above are by the European press while the American press has nothing to say about the matter.
IS THE LIBTARD US PRESS IS SILENTLY EATING CROW? |
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Given the problems that India faces from its ROP population, it is not suprising that the Hindus 'get it'. |
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I can't believe where this cartoon is showing up. It doesn't even make sense most of the time. Case and point, the site Publicliterature.org .
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Nice summation. In other news, a hot-dog vendor in Denmark was attacked and beaten with a bat by two muslim youths today, for selling "unclean meat" I don't think those guys realize that if you mess with our hot-dogs, then the gloves will come off!! |
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Buddy, I am sorry you and your people are going through that shit. I wonder about this world at times, I really do. |
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