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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:56:01 AM EDT
[#1]
Why do you think the death metal scene stagnated in the early 90's?
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:06:20 AM EDT
[#2]
Some of that death metal became black metal and some others went the grind way.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:20:36 PM EDT
[#3]
As long as it keeps changing it will remain interesting, at least to me.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:22:04 PM EDT
[#4]
you want fast? check out the "music" genre called "speedcore". some of those "songs" get up to 1000 bpm.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:23:34 PM EDT
[#5]
Sooner or later it will morph into something that Moby and Kanye West can produce.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:25:30 PM EDT
[#6]
"heavy" is an opinion.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:37:30 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm about 15 years out of my metal years, but do still have an ear (or what's left of it) for it. Most 'metal' bands are terrible today. BUT, it's not my choice, it's the kids choice, and as long as record companies don't lead them around by the nose ring, they will decide what survives and what fails.
One of my all time favorites was Fates Warning, and they are still together to a degree. However, they are very prog metal at this time, and while they have retained musicianship, they've lost some of the rage needed for good metal. It goes away with age, and is a natural progression. Hell, I'm into Jesse Cook now days anyhoo... |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:42:17 PM EDT
[#8]
Maybe if Sharon feed Ozzie more food it'd get heavier.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:42:54 PM EDT
[#9]
The only band that defines heavy metal, past or present is BLACK SABBATH ,there will never be another band that even comes close to their influence on'' metal' I've seen them perform with OZZY and DIO and they just kick ass, no glitz, no pyrotecnic bullshit, just pure heavy metal!
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:48:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Mmmm...Swedish Melodic Death Metal.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:49:53 PM EDT
[#11]
They can get harder, but the question is....
Can they get any better? Here is something that many heavy metal artists can't seem to figure out: meaning is a product of contrast. A screm is heavy and intense....until I scream for multiple minutes. Then is just becomes boring and flat, not longer intense. Only a few heavy metal bands have really figured this out. The ones that have, that do it right, really are "heavy" and can bring the power home at the right times to really effect and emotionally influence their listeners. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:54:05 PM EDT
[#12]
I am more into melodic than heavy, and (asbestos suit on) Steve Vai replaced all my earlier guitar-gods, including Eddie VH (except Jimmie H)
Listen to 'For Love of God' sometime (live), it still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand-up |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:58:19 PM EDT
[#13]
damn I feel old |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 5:03:36 PM EDT
[#14]
me too 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 5:12:19 PM EDT
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Use to listen to Metallica alot. Liked everything from the super old (8 minute long songs :o ) to even some of the newest stuff (little too artsy, but songs like Whiskey in the Jar were good). New bands have gone the route of Static X or System of a down (that is more punk tho), and just gone with incoherent lyrics and weird sounds. Only two bands that produce anything worthwhile seem to be Slipknot (who still makes stuff that doesn't sound like they are trying to be more mainstream) and Mudvayne (who started out fuckin' awesome and has gravitated towards a more Tool-like sound). If Mudvayne went back to the sound that made me like them (Dig, Internal Primates, Under my skin, etc) I'd be really happy. They just keeping making more songs that sound whiney, while trying to sound like Tool.
Don't even get me started on the self-important, materialistic, whiney shit that bands like Nonpoint or Avenge seven fold are playing... Fucking trend rock. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 5:13:10 PM EDT
[#16]
Speed rock.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 5:13:39 PM EDT
[#17]
all i can say is Hard Attack 27, RULES!!!
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Posted: 2/3/2006 5:32:10 PM EDT
[#18]
No, it's too commercial now. Not like the days when you did hear it on the radio, or when the music awards did'nt have a rock/metal category.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:08:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Fu Manchu rocks pretty good...
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:19:56 PM EDT
[#20]
good variety on the resident evil soundtracks.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:32:44 PM EDT
[#21]
Sirius has good rock stations 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:39:47 PM EDT
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at my last job, we could listen to whatever we wanted. i asked a few people if they were down with metal, and they told me they were. the next day, i put in some chimaira, nothing face, and dying fetus... the response i got from everyone was "what the fuck is that?". i had to explain to them that the avenged sevenfold and linkin park they listen to is not metal... and in answer to the original question: no, i don't see it getting much harder without becoming completely incoherent. there's a lot of talent and great music out there... i like to think of it as a golden age for metal. i don't have the slightest idea which direction it will go in, but i just don't see it getting any better than it is now. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:16:16 PM EDT
[#23]
yes it can get heavier, take a look at Meshuggah...There is absolutley no other band on this planet that sounds even close to their style. They are a genre of their own.
from wikiepedia: "Meshuggah, whose name is taken from the Hebrew and Yiddish word for "crazy," is a five-piece Scandinavian metal/tech metal band from Umeå, Sweden who use extended polymetric passages, complex drum patterns, odd time signatures, angular, dissonant guitar riffs, and harsh, non-pitched vocals." "Among the band's most recognizable qualities are lead guitar player Fredrik Thordendal's smooth, clean, Allan Holdsworth-esque solos, the churning, dissonant rhythm guitars and the polymetric drum beats. In a typical Meshuggah song, drummer Tomas Haake plays two separate rhythms: a standard 4/4 beat with his hands, and a completely different metrical subdivision with his feet. The guitars mostly follow the bass drum work, creating an awkwardly pulsating rhythmic pattern to work as the basis of the song." "To take an example, the main riff of the song "New Millennium Cyanide Christ" from their 1998 album Chaosphere follows the aforementioned blueprint. Haake beats a rather slow 4/4 rhythm with his hands, while the bass drums and guitars play a repetitive 23/16 rhythm pattern on top of it. As the subdivided pattern is repeated, the pattern's accents shift to different beats on each repetition. After repeating the 23/16 pattern five times, a shorter 13/16 pattern is played once. These patterns sum up to 128 16th notes, which equals exactly 8 measures in 4/4 meter."  |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:45:59 PM EDT
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Back around 86, two friends of mine had a beef. What was a heavier album. Hellhammer's Apocalyptic Raids or Sodom's In the Sign of Evil. At the time Metallica was for posers. Just a progression of Judist Priest. I went with Hellhammer. They were what I thought of as heavy. Slow, sludge, and noise. Great fun! I dug Sodom as well. But they were just a Venom ripoff. The only band that I've heard that can compare, in that style is Darkthrone. That shit is HEAVY. In my sence of the word anyway.
Everybody has thier own idea of what metal is. And I'm way past the point of caring. The greatest thing about metal is. There is ALWAYS an underground. It's always recreating it self for a new group of people. Words like "False and Poser" always ring true somewhere too someone. Metal will never go away. To many people identify with it. Now more than ever. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:47:56 PM EDT
[#25]
+1 |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:51:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Fixed. MARDUK!
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:53:17 PM EDT
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Jethro Tull. They play a FLUTE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:55:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Back around 86, At the time Metallica was for posers. WTF???? 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:57:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Styles of Rock
Acid Rock Adult Oriented Rock (AOR) Album Rock American Trad Rock Angry Metal Arena Rock Aussie Rock Black Industrial Black Metal Boogie Rock British Metal British Psychedelia British Trad Rock Celtic Rock Christian Rock College Rock Comedy Rock Country Rock Death Metal Deathcore (Brutal Death) Doom Metal Drone Epic (Viking) Metal Experimental Rock Folk Metal French Rock Garage Rock Revival Glam Metal Glam Rock Goth Doom / Dark Metal Gothic Folk Gothic Love Metal Gothic Metal Gothic Rock Grindcore Grunge Guitar Virtuoso Hard Rock Hardcore Heartland Rock Heavy Metal Horror Metal Indie Rock Instrumental Rock J-Rock Jam Bands Kraut Rock Melodic Death Merseybeat Neo-Classical Metal Neo-Progressive Noise Rock NS Black Metal Nuclear Metal Pagan Metal Pop Metal Power Metal Prog-Rock/Art Rock Progressive Metal Punk Rock Retro-Rock Rock & Roll Rockabilly Roots Rock Scandinavian Metal Shoegaze Sludge Metal Soft Rock Southern Rock Space Rock Speed Metal Stoner Metal Straight-Edge Surf Revival Surf Rock Sympho-Black Symphonic Metal Techno-Black Techno-Death Techno-Thrash Thrash Vampiric Metal I might of left one or two out. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:02:51 PM EDT
[#30]
I really enjoy Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, and As I Lay Dying.
(Along with early Metallica, Pantera, and Ozzy of course!!) Long Live Randy Rhoads and Dimebag Darrel! |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:08:36 PM EDT
[#31]
John575
"Kill'em all" Was no different than anything else at the time. Ride.... Was a good album for what it was. As was Master.... anything after that your on your own. Not trying too start anything. But there was alot of good stuff happening at the time. And for the underground types Metallica was nothing special. Like I said they were a progression of what was already playing stadiums. Look they're still here.(for better or worse) 95 0/0 of the bands I dug are gone, thankfully. Commercial appeal kills good bands. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:13:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Black Dahlia Murder, Darkest Hour, Between The Buried and Me. So good.
Dunno where it will go, but I can't imagine it getting any 'heavier.' |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:40:20 PM EDT
[#33]
BTW, the new In Flames album is out now. Pretty damn heavy.
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Posted: 2/4/2006 11:29:49 AM EDT
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I have been bingeing on "horror Rock" lately, Wednesday 13, FDQ, and Murderdolls (all the same lead singer) mostly because it is something I had never heard before and it sounded cool. For some reason the songs about zombies are appealing, I do not know why
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Posted: 2/4/2006 11:33:28 AM EDT
[#35]
Back in the 80's I worshipped Metallica, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden. Now when I listen to their new stuff it's almost like listening to a different band. Slayer used to considered pretty hard at the time, now it sounds slow and old. I guess it all changes with new bands influenced by the older stuff trying to be heavier and faster.
I remember when I heard the Black Album for the first time I knew Metallica was dead
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Posted: 2/4/2006 11:34:16 AM EDT
[#36]
That will be when I drive "nine-inch-nails" into each of my ear drums 
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:11:54 PM EDT
[#37]
I know...I felt like I was ripped off. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:18:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Me three. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:23:15 PM EDT
[#39]
I thought I was hearing Skid Row.  Over time, I decided it's a very good rock album, just not the metal I was expecting. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:25:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Wow, Fates Warning. I played my "The Spectre Within" record a lot, and got it on CD as soon as the CD came out. Good stuff. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:27:38 PM EDT
[#41]
Jose is the man. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:29:29 PM EDT
[#42]
Speaking of heavy... I know "heavy" is subjective, but I picked up Starpping Young Lad's Alien album, and I'm digging it. Click the link if interested. They've got Gene Hoglan drumming for them, who I remember from Dark Angel in the mid 1980s. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:54:12 PM EDT
[#43]
mind sludge
(commentary, not a band name) loss of tonality in music ties in directly with the nihilistic decay of philosophy in modern culture. The empty music is a product of empty minds. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:57:43 PM EDT
[#44]
The Wall Street Journal has an op-ed this week on "Cookie Monsters of Death Metal Music". I shit you not.
www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902 |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:29:22 PM EDT
[#45]
My god, guys,,,,,,,,,anybody ever remember AC/DC?!?!?
Put on the song Thunder, (I think that was the title) turn it up and enjoy! You young whipper snapers must of missed out?  |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:31:30 PM EDT
[#46]
You mean Thunderstruck? I think that came out in the 90's. WAAAAAAAAAAYY after they started. The #2 singer too.
Whipper snapper? How young are you? 
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:40:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Most all of the good metal is coming out of europe these days-
Emperor Dimmu borgir Early In flames(they have been mainstream nu-metal since ReRoute to Remain) The Haunted Children of Bodom and on and on... There has been another band that almost matches Black Sabbath in terms of influence-Judas Priest. 1976's Sad Wings of Destiny took metal from Sabbath's early sludge and doom sound to the more speedy, grinding sound. EVERY album from Sad Wings to Defenders of the Faith is pretty much a classic. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 1:41:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Thunderstruck......thanks! It's in my CD rotation in my truck.
I'm a young 59 and can still can out drink, out fight, out ride, out shoot any whipper snapper.......oops that was just a movie.
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Posted: 2/4/2006 6:16:43 PM EDT
[#49]
Man, Hellhammer brings back some memories. I listened to them at the same time I got into Celtic Frost's Dawn of Megiddo, and S.O.D.'s (Stormtroopers Of Death) Speak English or Die....that, IIRC, was Billy Milano's band, and they sang my favorite song of the time- The Milano Mosh. Damn, that was good stuff. |
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Posted: 2/4/2006 6:22:48 PM EDT
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+1 seeing them in Columbus next weekend and loookin forward to it. As to comment on heavy music, check out dillinger escape plan...all of them math majors and some of them w/ their masters. defn not your ordinary metal |
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