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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:08:27 AM EDT
[#1]
I carry my G20, 1006 and witness all the time.
The compact is too small for my hands. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:12:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Yup. Get some RBCD ammo and vaporize ten pound roasts for fun. The 29 is the only gun that will work for everything from concealed carry to black bear hunting.
Only you can answer that. But the extension doesn't cost much to try. It seems to be comfortable and manageable in an average-size hand. YMMV.
Not really. Not in that size package, anyway.
Try it. If you like things that go bang, you will probably find it just a bit more entertaining than most other handgun rounds. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:14:31 AM EDT
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I have no real data to back this up but unless you handload I don't think the 10mm is much different than a .40S&W out of those subcompacts. Factory loads for the two use the same components except for a longer case on 10mm.
I love my 10mm full-size. I've passed on it in the subcompact, though. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:15:38 AM EDT
[#4]
I own both the G29 and G30.
Recoil is identical except when I use DT 135 or 165gr. In a Jackie Stewert voice, (A wee bit more snap) I use the 29 because the 20's grip is to hefty for me. If you have big hands do not get the 29. 10mm is my favorite to shoot. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:17:18 AM EDT
[#5]
There are potent loads available from several sources. Georgia Arms, Doubletap, RBCD, etc. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:18:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Sure, I count those as almost handloads. They are not readily available and cost more.  Perhaps the correct term would be "tuned" ammo. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:19:06 AM EDT
[#7]
I have about 10 boxes of the original Norma loads for the 10mm.
Otherwise go .45. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:21:12 AM EDT
[#8]
check out this www.doubletapammo.com It's a shit load hotter than.40 TXL |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:21:22 AM EDT
[#9]
Took longer than I thought... |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:30:33 AM EDT
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Not readily available? You mean it takes UPS a couple of days to deliver them? Cost more? Huh? |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:39:04 AM EDT
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Remember that these hot loads use faster-burning powder to get their performance out of the subcompact. That probably results in a bit more recoil in a lighter gun. Think about how you feel about that in a carry weapon. If the first shot does the job then all's cool. If you are not confident of that then... Just a thought. For me, I realized I can get 3-4 9mm rounds in the bullseye in the time it would take me to confidently get two 10mm on target. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:49:53 AM EDT
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Winchester 175gr Silvertips. Factory ammo available at MidwayUSA every day. Full power. Not as zippy as Double Tap, but hotter than 40 Slow and Weak. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:50:10 AM EDT
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I have, and Carry, both a 20 and a 29. I normally carry the 20.
I like both. I like the ballistics from the cartridge. If you are ever in Houston and want to give them a try, drop me a line and bring some factory ammo. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:54:03 AM EDT
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Reeds Ammunition and Research has some full power 10mm loads.. Off the shelf Winchester Silvertip 175gr. is loaded to near full power specs..
+ a huge one on it being a favorite caliber. My Kimber stays home most of the time..I love my Witness.. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:05:57 AM EDT
[#15]
I used to have both 29 and 30 as well (they are identically sized but the 30 shoots .45) PMC 10mm has a bit more recoil than .45 as well. Doubletap is pretty fierce. Shooting outdoor range junk like water jugs and chunks of wood I would hit the same objects with 10mm and .45 and the 10mm always did more damage but my .45 was more accurate. The only real knock againt 10mm is that it hasn't reaaly been used against people that much yet. I did see a picture in Glocktalk of some guy who used a G20 with an extended barrell to bring down some big assed buffalo/bison..he gutted it and sure enough there was a hole straight through the heart |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:18:52 AM EDT
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The question is, why are we discussing the size of Tex's manlihood?
 My take on the whole thing is that while the 10mm is very powerful, it's also a bit of overkill. Between the 10, .40, and 9, all have bullets which will expand to 3/4" and penetrate 12". Ranger-T's, Speer Gold Dots. For the negligible increase in permanent wound cavity, I'd rather carry the 9 for the smaller package and higher mag capacity. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:20:23 AM EDT
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to me it's one of the saddest facts of shooting and firearms in US history that the 10MM went the way that it did. That's just my honest opinion - it's a fantastic round/caliber - again in my honest opinion. Too much overlap with existing calibers? OK I'll buy that but I dont want to hear shit about too much recoil - maybe in the town of Brokeback Mountain. FBI agents couldn't handle the recoil - good God almighty, how sad...
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:21:41 AM EDT
[#18]
BLASPHEMY!!! You chose a 9mm but never even mentioned a .45!! You don't know shit!! And those bullets expand to .735", not 0.75" (3/4), dummy!! 
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:22:53 AM EDT
[#19]
I have a G29 and it fits my hand great with the pinkie grip on the mags. I use it as backup when hunting hogs. Definetly use the doubletap. The 10MM just has more cowbell than the other calibers!
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:23:52 AM EDT
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Even more sad is how they've succeeded in injecting "Brokeback Mountain" into the lexicon. Even those of us who will never see the movie are using the name in totally unrelated topics. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:27:50 AM EDT
[#21]
I've been handloading the same 135gr. load as DoubleTap for many years. The speeds out of a 5" barrel are incredible. Nice thing is the same bullets are good for hot .40S&W loads, too.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:28:55 AM EDT
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My first impression was that the 29 was an amazing bit of power for something that can be covered by your hand. Recoil was hefty, but manageable (with, IIRC, Georgia Arms ammo, and a few miscellaneous loads my friend had). One guy who tried it said his wrist was hurting like hell after a mag load, and the slide nipped him. He corrected his grip and didn't have nearly so much problem after that. It is a little gun with a lot of pop, so just get a good grip on it before you squeeze the trigger. With a little practice, you can rip off rapid fire as well as with any other handgun. The biggest issue I had with it was the size of the grip. I am of average size and it seemed a bit full in my hand. I would like to feel one of the reduced grips to compare. The feeling wasn't bad enough that -- if it was me -- I would spend the money to get the reduced grip without trying it first. If you want a real shooting challenge, go hunt rabbits with a G29. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:30:24 AM EDT
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"Overkill"?????!!!!!! You even think there is something such as "overkill"???? Go home, you pussy, before I give you a round with my M79. 
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:42:50 AM EDT
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For the life of me I cannot understand these comments about recoil. IMHO, the 10mm while stout is not bad at all. I jumped on the bandwagon when they first came out in earnest in the mid eighties. I still have a Colt Delta Elite which provides the best of many worlds. It's the proven 1911 platform with the option to load it at the 40 SW level or dam near a 41 mag level.
Reloading for those inclined is extremely easy and there are plenty of good propellants for all needs. I personaly prefer Accurate 5,7 and 9. Bomber |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:45:22 AM EDT
[#25]
not for me, though i wouldn't mind having one.
just trying to do right by a friend that insists on a 10mm. i went ahead and ordered him the 20. anybody want to recommend a good holster for it for CC? also, looked better to me, but kimber is out with an eclipse II in 10mm. brand new though and i couldnt find any in stock at my kimber dealer 
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:51:27 AM EDT
[#26]
10mm is perhaps one of the most versitile rounds out there.
It can be loaded with those plated TMJ bullets at or below 40S&W levels for plinking, or you can buy a "doubletap" loading that gets up there around a full house .41 magnum loading. The 29 is too small for me. But I shot a friend's 20 as well, and the EA offering. Recoil with the full house stuff is stout, but I found myself able to bet 2 shots to center mass and one to the noggin on a standard size profile target about 90% of the time rapid fire. (With the 29 I flinched more, admittedly, and missed the head shots sometimes). ETA: I've decided I really want a Dan Wesson Razorback on the near future -- talk about a sweet gun. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:54:04 AM EDT
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My alt carry pieces..20 / 21. No use for a compact due to large hands. Swap out the barrel and you can have a 357sig, 40gap
 , 9x25. Is it better than a 45...you decide.Here are official gelatin results for all of the DoubleTap loads! All of these tests were done using 10% ballistic gelatin provided by Vyse gelatin using all FBI protocols and 4 layers of denim and two layers of light cotton T-shirt in front of the gelatin. DoubleTap .40 S&W Penetration / expansion 135gr. Nosler JHP @ 1375fps - 12.10" / .72" 155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1275fps - 13.00" / .76" 165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1200fps - 14.0" / .70" 180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68" 200gr XTP @ 1050fps - 17.75" / .59" DoubleTap .357 Sig 125gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1450fps - 14.5" / .66" DoubleTap .357 Magnum 125gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1600fps - 12.75" / .69" 158gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 19.0" .56" DoubleTap 10mm 135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty 155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88" 165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02" 165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82" 180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85" 180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77” 180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96" 200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72" 230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40" DoubleTap .45ACP 185gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1225fps - 12.75" / .82" 200gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.25" / .88" 230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95" DoubleTap 9X25 115gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1800fps - 10.0" / .64" frag nasty 125gr Gold DOt JHP @ 1725fps - 15.0" / .74" 147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 17.5" / .68" |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:00:46 AM EDT
[#28]
Look at the ballistics. Ballistically, I think it's a pretty awesome round.
Wish they were still making the Bren 10! |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:05:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Niiiiiiice!!
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:07:29 AM EDT
[#30]
Has to be a lie. The .45 is, well, the SuperHornet of calibers. No way anything is even on par with it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:30:33 AM EDT
[#31]
10mm is fun, but .40Super will eat its fucking lunch everyday.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:37:24 AM EDT
[#32]
Sounds like fun but 10mm is expensive enough as it is |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:43:08 AM EDT
[#33]
So. Triton factory stuff can still be found. DT may be coming out with some loads in the not so near future. Federals 10mm loads are all loaded to .40S&W specs. Only Winchesters loads come close, and they use an outdated bullet design. I would love to see a 10mm Ranger T loaded with a 180gr bullet. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:46:03 AM EDT
[#34]
Load. Your. Own. I'll never regret going to a G20. If I should ever need a cheaper gun to feed, I'll get a 9mm to go with it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:52:09 AM EDT
[#35]
So, WTF is .40 super?
ANd Why is it better than 10mm since it is essentially a 10mm short? |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:56:53 AM EDT
[#36]
The 10mm is a spectacular round. I carry a GLOCK 9mm, and have no real use for .40 or .45, but I would be all over a 10mm. The GLOCK 10mm are the most durable, most popular, and have the least felt recoil, but the frame is too big for my hands. I had a Smith 1006, but it had the ergonomics and weight of a brick. I don't care for slide mounted safety/decockers either.
 If GLOCK made a single stack 9+1 10mm, I would buy one today.The Winchester 175 grain Silvertip is the hottest commonly available load for the 10mm. I wish Speer would make a Gold Dot with the same ballistics. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:57:09 AM EDT
[#37]
Why is it when I hear the 10mm Frag Nasty quote I get the giggles like a little school girl? It's probably because I wonder what would happen if it was used against a 2 legged varment. Yes the 10mm is a cartrage that many companies don't bother with but it is a cartrage that is very addictive and might have a strong comeback from the FBI fiasco. Double Tap is doing fine and one of their top sellers is the 10mm cartrage, not to mention it was one of their first sellers. Though I don't have any firearms I want the 10mm to be my first hand gun. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:59:44 AM EDT
[#38]
so who's making the 10 still
Glock 20 Smith? Colt - we know that answer Anybody else? Is it just Glock? I would love to see Kimber come out with a 10MM..... I'm going to email them now..... |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:01:13 AM EDT
[#39]
= 40S&W Magnum |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:04:54 AM EDT
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I guess you haven't seen the videos. There are a few videos on the net of a 10MM RBCD round hitting a ten-pound roast. A regular bullet puts a respectable hole in the roast. The RBCD round vaporizes the roast. It literally blows it into tiny pieces. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:07:23 AM EDT
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LINK!!! My apologies. Will you offer a link to the site so that I may see the power of the 10mm in action. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:07:51 AM EDT
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Kimber 10mm Target Glock 20 Dan Wesson Razorback {out of production now} Colt Delta Elite {out of production now} S&W 1006 EAA Witness |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:08:08 AM EDT
[#43]
The companies I know of Glock Smith quit a few years ago EAA witness Dan Wesson in a 1911 version |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:11:05 AM EDT
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A 230gr pill ......  |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:14:21 AM EDT
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It used to be on the Blackwater site and the Lemasltd.com site but both of them seem to have taken it down. I can't seem to find it again in Google. It was pretty spectacular, with interesting results. It went like this: Regular bullet - ten pound roast moved a bit on the table and it left a respectable hole. RBCD with a cold roast -- same basic results as the regular bullet. Worse wound, but comparable. RBCD with a roast at about body temperature -- ten pounds of instant red fog. The largest piece left looked to be no more than about four ounces, and it was laying on the ground behind the target table. It looked about the same as you would expect from a small hand grenade. ETA: The stuff is available through http://www.rbcd.net It costs about three bucks a round. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:16:51 AM EDT
[#46]
When a 10lb roast attacks me, I'll be all over those "magic bullets".
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:19:45 AM EDT
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Here's some good info on the various hotrod cartridges that are out there for 1911's and other autos. The 400 Corbon is probably the most useful if you want to duplicate a 10mm out of your 45 auto. Operates at +P 45 ACP pressures. Wont beat your gun apart like some of the more exotic ones. www.handgunsmag.com/ammunition/1911_hot_rods/index.html
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:22:21 AM EDT
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Seems to me like it might have the effect of instantly removing a ten pound roast from anyone who was attacking you. That might slow them down, just from all the blood and hamburger in their face. Two shots removes twenty pounds, and so forth. By the time you emptied the mag you could turn him in for recycling at Burger King. I also recall a story about a guy who stopped a charging 375-pound wild boar with a single shot from a 9MM in RBCD. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:24:55 AM EDT
[#49]
kimber already makes a stainless custom II target and an eclipse II in 10mm |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:26:07 AM EDT
[#50]
I'll stick to more conventional ballistic theory. Thanks though. |
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