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Posted: 1/28/2006 12:56:26 PM EDT
All - Do Israeli aircraft have the wherewithall to hit Iran? I'm told they don't have the effective combat range to bomb. Is this true or horsecrap. I'm thinking they could do it if called upon. Anyone know much about their AirForce? Thanks for the education |
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I remmeber reading this on here before, and I believe the ARFCOM tactitions at that time did indeed declare they are capable of performing missions.
IIRC, they mapped out two route options and all agreed it was indeed a possibility. |
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The Israeli Air Force flies US made F15 and F16 fighter, and has bombed the piss out of places such as Iraqi Nuclear Reactors in the past, they can hit Iran easily and if they say they are gonna do it, they will.
Not something to laugh at. |
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I would imagine they also have an air tanker that they can use to top off after takeoff to further their range.
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They have about 50 F16I and F15I fighter bombers with the range to do the job. Even the Israelis admit it would be a limted one shot mission with little guarantee of sucess.
ANdy |
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They'll take it by land if need be, so yes, they can reach Iran.
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I wonder if Iraq had TOR-M1, and SA-11 Gadfly SAM's 20 years ago. These things are roughly as capable as the Patriot, if not more so. Also, nothing to laugh at. If they're not taken out first, they will take their toll. Actually, of course, Iraq had nowhere near those capabilities at the time. ETA: I hope everyone has noticed that iran, via russian military industries, is bristling with state of the art weapons. Not so much of a problem to the USAF and thousands of strike aircraft, but basically a technological draw against the israelis. |
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Sure they are, because Russian high-tech weapons have such an outstanding track record... |
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Getting back would be tough, they would probably land in Turkey or 'stan. They can't do it without international cooperation as far as flyover and refueling, landing, etc.
That presents the countries that choose to help them a tough proposition. If they have to, they can get it done, but they wouldn't kill it, only delay it. |
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We'd better hope they're full of BS, and that these missiles do not work as advertised. The TOR system is listed with a .6 to .9 probablity of taking out cruise missiles and smart ordinance dropped from alititude, not to mention it's ability against low flying aircraft. It does not need to be aligned along an axis like the patriot and requires only five minutes of warm up time, as opposed to 30 minutes. At least the iranians only bought 29 vehicles with 8 missiles each. Unless, of course, they're full of crap. Hope so. |
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Israel has more than enough range to hit any target in Iran. That wouldn’t be the hard part.
Israel also has weapons that would be effective even against Iran’s most deeply buried targets, without sacrificing too much range out of the fighter aircraft. The main problem is the required airspace violations to reach Iran. That doesn’t matter, however, if the West doesn’t do something about Iran soon, Israel will strike with or without the backing of anyone else. Even if that means violating Iraqi airspace unwelcome. There would be political hell to pay, but it wouldn’t stop the mission. The Iranian air defenses are not as much of a concern as western intelligence [which is a contradiction in terms] would like to make them out to be. I’m not going to expand on that, but take my word for it that Israel has EW systems that will knock the socks off any modern Russian air defense system. I will even make the point that Israel is capable of strikes against Moscow, and IAF pilots are trained for such. I don’t understand why people keep trying to underestimate the IAF, it must be painful to be on the wrong side of military history so many times in a row. But hey, I'm not complaining . |
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Anyone remember something called the Yon Kippur War? If Israel wants to take out Iran, it will. And they'll want to do it before Iran goes nuclear.
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Isreal has allready attacked Iran once, bombing a suspected nucler plant. IIRC it was in the 80s.
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some food for thought:
http://www.middleeastinfo.org/article4695.html
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It would be mighty tough for the Iranian's to hit that facility as the IDF's Arrow TMD system is extremely capable.
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Yeah, keep believing that, Achmed. The warheads on those Jericho IRBMs are filled with gumdrops, fairy dust, and love. |
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No, they're filled with Gelt, Charoset and Matzah. |
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I had a tour of Dimona once. No wonder my nads glow in the dark.
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IIRC the Israelis also have cruise missils that they could use.
-K |
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No weapon forged against the nation of Israel will prevail. Isaiah 54:17
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They should just fire Nukes at Iran, If they fall short they will only land on Iraq. Thats not so bad, there isnt anyone there we should be worrying abo....... OH SHIT!
Get our guys out now !!!!!!!!! |
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If Israel decided to launch a full fledged air war against Iran it would be over as soon as it began, no contest.
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That was a nuclear plant in Iraq not Iran. I read recently that Israel has military based in Northern Iraqs Kurdish region. |
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I think the nukes are cast. |
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The Israeli Air Force has carried out two long-range operations in the past. One was the hostage rescue at Entebbe, using C-130s, which have a long range anyway. The other one, which is much less publicised, was the raid on PLO camps in Tunisia using F-15s in 1985, which in terms of distance is about the same as from Israel to the farthest corner of Iran.
So yes, if they could carry out bombing strikes in Tunisia in 1985, it's a definite that they can bomb Iran in 2006. NTM |
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They can reach Iran and drop ordinance, no problem.
I don't think they have anywhere near the capabilities required to significantly reduce Irans capability to make war via conventional munitions. If Isreal preemptively goes nuclear anything, and I mean ANYTHING, could happen. If they go in with a conventional strike they'll take as many casualties as they inflict, lots of unconventional tactics Iran can employ, many of them targeted at the entire western world (missile attacks, oil infrastructure, hormuz, terror, Iraq, mass Hamas rocket attacks, sunburns sinking shipping...) No easy solutions to this mess. |
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Wow-just thinking about this makes me want to go get lots of popcorn and licorice!!!
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Ahhh OK,thanks..... |
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Israel will fucking rape Iran, I only wish I could participate.
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And we and the Brits need to let them fly over Iraq, or the Saudis and Kuwaitis let them fly over their airspace. Although the Saudis might let them do it and squawk later. The Saudi Royal Family doesn't need Iran nuclear anymore than we do. |
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Iraq.... |
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they will be able to get there, bomb the target, and return with little or no problem because they can refuel in the air over Iraq........you know we do own Iraq now, right?
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Helping Israel bomb Iran is NOT going to help us in Iraq. We could completely inflame the Shias and the Sunnis. I doubt the Kurds would give a shit. |
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Thanks guys. Seems I'm just arguing with a "can't do" naysayer on another board. How silly of me.
" There is a problem with your assertion. The F-15's would need to be refueled ( probably twice, once there and once back). This would have to be with IAF tankers circling over most likely Iraq to meet up with the F-15's during any flight. The Iraqi govt. would not accept such. If the US govt. were to override the Iraqi govt. firstly it would look very bad for the US diplomatically in Iraq and it would put the US in the middle of it all and they would have to accept any fallout as if they themselves were to carry out the mission. In such case why not just the use US air assets? Without aerial refueling the Israeli air force has no ability to carry out any such attack. Next even if some such attack were planned it would require dozens of IAF F-15's searching out and trying to nail most Iranian nuclear sites. Now since these are not easy to find in many cases and in some cases buried deep underground the IAF has no bombs nor platform to carry out any such operation. But Les what if the US gave Israel some MOAB's then they could use their Hercules aircraft? Well first of they'd have to know where exactly these buried sites are as these are free fall bombs. Next does anyone here think a IAF Hercules would not be shot from the sky by ther Iranians even before it could deliver it's MOAB?" |
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Not true at all, I don't know where this guy got his range estimates. Assuming they top off before leaving Israeli airspace, Israeli F-15s could strike any target in Iran and make it back to Israeli airspace on a single fuel tank, with gas to spare.
Not needed, as said above. However, it could be done without a problem. The United States and or Iraq is not going to shoot down a tanker, and messing with a midflight refueling operation is an act of war. The United States would get pissed off, but in the end would not stop the mission once started. I wouldn't be suprised if the US cuts off all arms supplies to Israel after the fact, but that has happened to Israel before, why give a shit?
The Iraq government is not powerful enough to scratch its own ass without help from the United States.
There's nothing to override, the Iraqis do not control their airspace at this time. Traffic control, yes, airspace force projection, no.
Ummmm... We're talking about Israel here, not the United States. Israel will do what she must to survive, to hell with whoever it pisses off.
Not Israel's problem.
Oh... I don't know... Maybe the fact that the United States seems to be lead by a bunch of limp wristed idiots who genuinly don't care if a nuclear warhead falls on Tel Aviv.
Bullshit, the combat radius of an F-15I is much longer than most people think. If topped off after takeoff, F-15s will have no problem hitting targets anywhere in Iran. Of course, some armchair general who reads 'Janes pocket guide to aircraft' and plays flight sims is going to act like he knows everything. Ignore the fact he's never even seen an F-15I up close. Ignore the fact he doesn't know a single IAF pilot, his books tell him so. Books which, may I add, do not state the actual range of any modern combat aircraft, various governments get pissed off when their exact combat abilities are made public, hence, they don't make the real ones public.
Not if they know where they are ahead of time.
Only to westerners who have no idea how to conduct intelligence operations.
Bawahahahaha. And he would know this, how? Keep thinking that, I'd like Iran to think it too, it'll make the looks on their faces so much more priceless when their toys get smashed.
How the hell would that help? The MOAB isn't a deep penetrating weapon, it's simply a big surface bomb. You could go with the theory that the shockwave might do damage to the bunkers, but there is no way to know that for sure. It's much simpler to just drop some of the weapons currently in Israels inventory that fit on F-15s and can take out said bunkers.
See above, if I may remind certain know-it-alls, Israel has the best middle east intelligence in the world, period. We know more about Irans nuclear programs than the United States knows about its own nuclear systems.
That statement doesn't make much sense, the MOAB is free-fall, but is also guided, you would not need to know the target location any more or less than for any other smart weapon.
Why would they need to when they can use weapons that fit on F-15s? |
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Well lets see.... Ignoring Iraq for a minute, if you take a direct route you need to overfly Jordan, (F16's and Mirage F1's) and/or Saudi Arabia, (F15's, Tornado F3's) , Kuwait, (F-18's), Syria, (Mig 29's, SU-27's) who all may have 'issues' with univited 'guests'... |
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Andy, You know as well as I do that good flight profile and route planning and typical Arab unpreparedness would mean that the IAF will be long gone before any alarms are sounded. |
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Yes, but... the Saudis do have AWACS coverage of their northern border... |
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I think I'll trust Israeli intelligence before I'll trust ours anytime soon. I suspect they are working a lot harder to keep track of Iranian efforts than we think. Certainly they have a lot more at stake short term.
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Don't forget, guys, that if Israel really feels the threat is serious enough then they may be prepared for some of those sorties to be entirely one-way.
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If the Jews pop the cork then it's not gonna matter who's hosting the dance. Everyone's gonna be in the mosh-pit before it's over. The ROPers will use it as an excuse and blame us no matter what. |
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