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Posted: 1/24/2006 7:14:09 PM EDT

How long till the Feds ban person to person transfers at gun shows?

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:16:19 PM EDT

[#1]

87 years.

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:17:48 PM EDT

[#2]

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How long till the Feds ban private person to person transfers ~~at gun shows~~ everywhere ?

They could just take them out with one swipe. McCain or Hillary would sign something like that into law witha smile on their face I'm sure

I say 10-15 years but we can expect more individual state bans in the meantime.

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:24:42 PM EDT

[#3]

Late November 2006. Definitely by the end of 2009.

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:25:55 PM EDT

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Late November 2006. Definitely by the end of 2009.

I fear you are right if Democrats take back Congress

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:30:57 PM EDT

[#5]

Hopefully Never, but realistically, inside a decade

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:42:20 PM EDT

[#6]

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Hopefully Never, but realistically, inside a decade

Yep. The 'Gunshow Loophole' is the latest buzzphrase that the freakazoids are having a big hue and cry about.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:15:02 PM EDT

[#7]

yep "interstate gun crime " is gonna be the new buzz word after the NY cop shootings
I give private transfers maybe 5 more years

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:17:48 PM EDT

[#8]

IMO, using "gun show" and "personal transfers" in the same sentence does us a disservice. It implies that one must be present in order for the other to occur - which plays right into the hands of people who want to ban them both.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:18:57 PM EDT

[#9]

Already gone in OR. All gun show transactions have to go through an FFL.

However, it does make me wonder how many "new friends" get together at the corner coffee shop right after they leave the show.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:22:02 PM EDT

[#10]

What's to stop gunshows from just employing 2 or 3 ffl holders to act as middlemen?

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:28:11 PM EDT

[#11]

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Hopefully Never, but realistically, inside a decade

Yep. The 'Gunshow Loophole' is the latest buzzphrase that the freakazoids are having a big hue and cry about.

They have been spouting that phrase for at least 10 years.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:32:49 PM EDT

[#12]

I heard it's still legal to buy or sell curio and relic rifles over 50 years old without going through an FFL in California?

you could still sell or buy an Russian SKS or an old mauser, Garand, etc without an FFL

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:46:43 PM EDT

[#13]

Only if they were made in 1898 or earlier.

Posted: 1/24/2006 10:08:21 PM EDT

[#14]

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Quoted:
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Hopefully Never, but realistically, inside a decade

Yep. The 'Gunshow Loophole' is the latest buzzphrase that the freakazoids are having a big hue and cry about.

They have been spouting that phrase for at least 10 years.

Yep. But now I think it's going to be THE one they push for.

Posted: 1/24/2006 10:14:31 PM EDT

[#15]

As far as I know, the only "real" gunshow "loophole" is the waiver of the 3-day waiting period for handgun purchases. This seems necessary since a gunshow is generally only open for Saturday and Sunday. Since you can't mail guns to an individual, you pretty much need to handover the weapon at the time of sale. In addition, most people would not be willing to hand over cash or a credit card to a vendor at a temporary location like a gunshow if they did not get the weapon in return.

When most people refer to the "gunshow loophole", they are referring to the sale of weapons between a non-FFL seller and a buyer in which Form 4473 is not currently required.

Posted: 1/25/2006 6:28:03 AM EDT

[#16]

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I heard it's still legal to buy or sell curio and relic rifles over 50 years old without going through an FFL in California?

you could still sell or buy an Russian SKS or an old mauser, Garand, etc without an FFL

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Only if they were made in 1898 or earlier.

Private party sales of curio and relic rifles or shotguns over 50 years old are legal in California and do not have to go through a dealer.

Posted: 1/25/2006 6:31:19 AM EDT

[#17]

Not anytime soon.

Posted: 1/25/2006 6:35:14 AM EDT

[#18]

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As far as I know, the only "real" gunshow "loophole" is the waiver of the 3-day waiting period for handgun purchases. This seems necessary since a gunshow is generally only open for Saturday and Sunday. Since you can't mail guns to an individual, you pretty much need to handover the weapon at the time of sale. In addition, most people would not be willing to hand over cash or a credit card to a vendor at a temporary location like a gunshow if they did not get the weapon in return.

When most people refer to the "gunshow loophole", they are referring to the sale of weapons between a non-FFL seller and a buyer in which Form 4473 is not currently required.

Dude, you need to move to a free state!

Posted: 1/25/2006 6:50:23 AM EDT

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As far as I know, the only "real" gunshow "loophole" is the waiver of the 3-day waiting period for handgun purchases. This seems necessary since a gunshow is generally only open for Saturday and Sunday. <snip>

When most people refer to the "gunshow loophole", they are referring to the sale of weapons between a non-FFL seller and a buyer in which Form 4473 is not currently required.

Private sales at gunshows are not allowed in New York either.
NO Parking lot trading
Inside, if a deal is to take place, there is a booth set up by usually, a local collector's assoc. (often those who put on the gunshow) in which form 4473 is called in. Free of charge.

I do not know if this is actually enforced... Then again, I do know there are plain clothes all over the shows so chances are, if you catch their attention, you'll have some 'splainin to do.

Posted: 1/25/2006 7:31:19 AM EDT

[#20]

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Hopefully Never, but realistically, inside a decade

Yep. The 'Gunshow Loophole' is the latest buzzphrase that the freakazoids are having a big hue and cry about.

What do you mean?

Colo. voters closed the "Gunshow Loophole" a few years ago. And now the two Denver newspapers (Rocky Mtn. News and Denver Post) won't accept "firearms for sale" ads from anybody but a licensed dealer. See? Not even "unlicensed dealers". So we don't even have a "newspaper loophole" to worry about. Except for the unenlightened rural areas, anyways. Damn hicks.

We don't have gun violence in Colo. anymore.

Posted: 1/25/2006 7:38:21 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
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As far as I know, the only "real" gunshow "loophole" is the waiver of the 3-day waiting period for handgun purchases. This seems necessary since a gunshow is generally only open for Saturday and Sunday. <snip>

When most people refer to the "gunshow loophole", they are referring to the sale of weapons between a non-FFL seller and a buyer in which Form 4473 is not currently required.

Private sales at gunshows are not allowed in New York either.
NO Parking lot trading
Inside, if a deal is to take place, there is a booth set up by usually, a local collector's assoc. (often those who put on the gunshow) in which form 4473 is called in. Free of charge.
I do not know if this is actually enforced... Then again, I do know there are plain clothes all over the shows so chances are, if you catch their attention, you'll have some 'splainin to do.

This is what Colo. went to. But it's a $10 fee for the background check. But with the kicker that any sale initiated at a gunshow has to go through a background check. Theoretically, if my neighbor and I bumped into each other at a show and discussed a sale and we went through with it a month later at home we would be legally bound to do a background check. I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for not doing it in a similar situation, and I'll bet in most cases it's entirely ignored. But if you just happen to talk to the wrong guy, at the wrong time.....

Posted: 1/25/2006 7:43:28 AM EDT

[#22]

On a related note, I wish they would open up the NICS (eta for voluntary use) to private individuals for free.

When I sell my used guns to people i don't know, I'ld like to know if I was selling one to a felon or otherwise prohibited.

I supply the name or other ID info , they supply the yes or no.

I don't know why this isn't on a website yet.