All good comments above.
Having been to several handgun/rifle retention/disarmament courses, including a really wonderful segment that was part of a seminar by Felix Valencia today, a few additional comments come to mind:
- If you are performing a disarm on a semi-auto, chances are it's going to fire. If it's recoil operated as most are and you've got the firearm well wrapped up the slide won't move hardly at all. It doesn't hurt (assuming you've got the muzzle deflected in a good direction
). I've actually had the opportunity to do this with a live weapon (not at speed!). If it's blowback operated it's a little more dicey pain-wise but in either case your OK and you've probably caused a stoppage. If you're real lucky or skilled you'll have pulled the slide out of battery a bit and the gun won't fire at all.
- The same is not true of revolvers, of course. They won't have a stoppage and it's likely you may not be able to prevent the cylinder from rotating. Again I've had the opportunity to do this with a live weapon and the gases escaping between the cylinder and barrel sting like a bast*rd. You probably won't notice in the heat of battle.
- Felix demonstrated the shortcomings of the typical Lindell or Lindell-like techniques. These can be overcome if the shooter is fast enough or trained enough to pull away. Instead he taught a technique whereby the firearm and arm holding it are deflected into the belly of shooter leaving substantially less of an opening for the shooter to escape the disarm. That is followed up with the actual disarm using joint lock techniques. Muzzle consciousness was required during the actual disarm (usually palm up) move to keep it from pointing at yourself.
- We also did a lot of retention/escape work from stalemate situations including just about every combination of gun/knife/empty hand for both good guy/bad guy. Without writing a novel let's just say everyone should carry a knife on their offhand side--it can end many retention situations quickly
- If you EVER get a chance to work with Felix Valencia drop everything and GO! He is absolutely PHENOMENAL, and a nicer, friendlier person you will never meet.
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