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Posted: 1/21/2006 6:09:16 PM EDT

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Posted: 1/21/2006 6:11:10 PM EDT

[#1]

Every Marine is a hero

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:11:21 PM EDT

[#2]

This place gets wierder every day.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:13:43 PM EDT

[#3]

Who is Ira Hayes?

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:15:44 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Who is Ira Hayes?

One of the 27 who made it to the top of Mt Suribachi (It is late, sorry).
I think I have that right.
ETA - Ira was the 3rd guy from the flagpole in the famous flag raising picture. I think I have that one right, as well.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:17:17 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Who is Ira Hayes?

Ira Hayes was a Pima Indian who was involved in the Second Flag Raising on Mt Suribachi, Iwo Jima.

He is pictured in Rosenthal's famous Photograph, being on the very end of the group.
In the picture his hands are outward reaching for but not touching the flag pole.

A photo colorized to show all six men - Ira Hayes (red), Franklin Sousley (violet), John Bradley (green), Harlon Block (yellow), Michael Strank (brown), Rene Gagnon (teal)

See:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Hayes

Pete Seegar sang a nice song about Ira Hayes

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:17:59 PM EDT

[#6]

Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Gather round me people there's a story I would tell
About a brave young Indian you should remember well
From the land of the Pima Indian
A proud and noble band
Who farmed the Phoenix valley in Arizona land

Down the ditches for a thousand years
The water grew Ira's peoples' crops
'Till the white man stole the water rights
And the sparklin' water stopped

Now Ira's folks were hungry
And their land grew crops of weeds
When war came, Ira volunteered
And forgot the white man's greed

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

There they battled up Iwo Jima's hill,
Two hundred and fifty men
But only twenty-seven lived
To walk back down again

And when the fight was over
And when Old Glory raised
Among the men who held it high
Was the Indian, Ira Hayes

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Ira returned a hero
Celebrated through the land
He was wined and speeched and honored;
Everybody shook his hand

But he was just a Pima Indian
No water, no crops, no chance
At home nobody cared what Ira'd done
And when did the Indians dance

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Then Ira started drinkin' hard;
Jail was often his home
They'd let him raise the flag and lower it
like you'd throw a dog a bone!

He died drunk one mornin'
Alone in the land he fought to save
Two inches of water in a lonely ditch
Was a grave for Ira Hayes

CHORUS:
Call him drunken Ira Hayes
He won't answer anymore
Not the whiskey drinkin' Indian
Nor the Marine that went to war

Yeah, call him drunken Ira Hayes
But his land is just as dry
And his ghost is lyin' thirsty
In the ditch where Ira died

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:18:31 PM EDT

[#7]

EDIT beat by 30 secs

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:21:06 PM EDT

[#8]

Thanks for explaining guys

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:22:49 PM EDT

[#9]

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Thanks for explaining guys

See if you can google up the Ballad. See if you can hold back the tears when you listen to it.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:23:38 PM EDT

[#10]

To tell you the truth (I read a Biography on Ira Hayes). Ira Hayes was embarrassed by all of the publicity surrounding him and the other flag raisers. And during the WWII Bond Drives back in the states he would frequently say that he wasn't a Hero. Instead it was the Marines and Navy Corpsmen who stayed and fought on Iwo Jima who were the real Heros.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:24:46 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Thanks for explaining guys
See if you can google up the Ballad. See if you can hold back the tears when you listen to it.

Was just listening to the song, why I started the pole.

Figured ARFCOM could use a history lesson

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:24:46 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Thanks for explaining guys
See if you can google up the Ballad. See if you can hold back the tears when you listen to it.

Was just listening to the song, why I started the pole.

Figured ARFCOM could use a history lesson

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:27:07 PM EDT

[#13]

Helping to raise the flag isn't why he was a hero.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:27:17 PM EDT

[#14]

I think that having to do what we asked those men to do would be more than enough to screw up an average guy.

Despite his ending, the man has my respect.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:34:38 PM EDT

[#15]

Some interesting things about Ira.
Ira was a ParaMarine. For a while during a relatively small group of elite Marines were trained to jump out of airplanes as paratroopers.

What I find so poignant about the symbology inherent in Rosenthal's photograph is that Ira who just happened to be on the very end symbolizes American Minorities who fought and died for this country, were trying to reach for the American Dream but were denied inclusion by Racism.

And by fighting for this country they were trying to prove to other Americans that they were just as American.

Ira died broken as much a victim of Alcholism as from dispair.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:35:51 PM EDT

[#16]

IMO a great American. My speculation he might have been a drinker post war because of what he went through.

PTS was an unknown back then...

here is to you Ira...

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:37:40 PM EDT

[#17]

A hero, through and through.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:39:16 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Some interesting things about Ira.
Ira was a ParaMarine. For a while during a relatively small group of elite Marines were trained to jump out of airplanes as paratroopers.

What I find so poignant about the symbology inherent in Rosenthal's photograph is that Ira who just happened to be on the very end symbolizes American Minorities who fought and died for this country, were trying to reach for the American Dream but were denied inclusion by Racism.

And by fighting for this country they were trying to prove to other Americans that they were just as American.

Ira died broken as much a victim of Alcholism as from dispair.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:42:58 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Some interesting things about Ira.
Ira was a ParaMarine. For a while during a relatively small group of elite Marines were trained to jump out of airplanes as paratroopers.

What I find so poignant about the symbology inherent in Rosenthal's photograph is that Ira who just happened to be on the very end symbolizes American Minorities who fought and died for this country, were trying to reach for the American Dream but were denied inclusion by Racism.

And by fighting for this country they were trying to prove to other Americans that they were just as American.

Ira died broken as much a victim of Alcholism as from dispair.

What are you confused about? Ira was arguably among the most most famous and brave americans of WWII and he came home to just be treated like an "Injun" after his struggle. I can understand is desire to just block out the issue by drinking...

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:44:28 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Some interesting things about Ira.
Ira was a ParaMarine. For a while during a relatively small group of elite Marines were trained to jump out of airplanes as paratroopers.

What I find so poignant about the symbology inherent in Rosenthal's photograph is that Ira who just happened to be on the very end symbolizes American Minorities who fought and died for this country, were trying to reach for the American Dream but were denied inclusion by Racism.

And by fighting for this country they were trying to prove to other Americans that they were just as American.

Ira died broken as much a victim of Alcholism as from dispair.

was it Bush's fault?

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:46:15 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Some interesting things about Ira.
Ira was a ParaMarine. For a while during a relatively small group of elite Marines were trained to jump out of airplanes as paratroopers.

What I find so poignant about the symbology inherent in Rosenthal's photograph is that Ira who just happened to be on the very end symbolizes American Minorities who fought and died for this country, were trying to reach for the American Dream but were denied inclusion by Racism.

And by fighting for this country they were trying to prove to other Americans that they were just as American.

Ira died broken as much a victim of Alcholism as from dispair.

Actually, he was not reaching for the flag, but just letting go of the pole as it was going up. He had lifted it as far as he was able.

One of the stories about Ira happened when he saw another Marine moving to an aid station. The man had an unexploded shell sticking out of his arm, about a 3 in. Ira stepped up beside the man, wrapped his arm around him, pulled the shell out and threw it as far as he could. Then he drew the man down next to him. When the shell landed, it blew up.

No shortage of courage.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:52:02 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Who is Ira Hayes?

Served with General Washington during the Civil War. Was wounded by Gandhi during the Battle of Cheese, but fought on against the proletariat and Ho Chi Min to raise the flag on Mt. Kilamonjiro.

Posted: 1/21/2006 6:54:32 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Some interesting things about Ira.
Ira was a ParaMarine. For a while during a relatively small group of elite Marines were trained to jump out of airplanes as paratroopers.

What I find so poignant about the symbology inherent in Rosenthal's photograph is that Ira who just happened to be on the very end symbolizes American Minorities who fought and died for this country, were trying to reach for the American Dream but were denied inclusion by Racism.

And by fighting for this country they were trying to prove to other Americans that they were just as American.

Ira died broken as much a victim of Alcholism as from dispair.

Actually, he was not reaching for the flag, but just letting go of the pole as it was going up. He had lifted it as far as he was able.

Yes. I know he was in actuality just letting go of the Flag Pole, you missed my point on the Symbolism of the Photograph.

Posted: 1/21/2006 9:11:43 PM EDT

[#24]

nvrmnd

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