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Posted: 1/18/2006 6:45:20 AM EDT
The end of an era. The last Sea Harrier FRS2 Fighters have paid off from Royal Navy shipboard service. No more radar or AMRAAM's equipped fighters on the carriers now, just RAF Harrier GR9's bombers(AV-8B's) with AIM-9's.
Roll on the F-35. ANdy   Cdr Tony ‘Stinger’ Rae, 801’s Commanding Officer contemplates his final mission aboard HMS Illustrious    The last flypast into history....  The last waltz... A pensive moment for US Marine Corps exchange pilot Lt Ritterby as he lands back aboard. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 6:56:46 AM EDT
[#1]
vito could you please fix the pics?
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Posted: 1/18/2006 7:03:09 AM EDT
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Fixed now! I hope!...that will teach me to pull them straight off the photo server.... 
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Posted: 1/18/2006 7:39:40 AM EDT
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Fixed and they look great, much like the US Navy F-14, the Royal Navy has lost a fine aircraft with the Sea Harrier retirement. BTW: Rolls Royce Turbines are the shit, but jeeze that Pegasus is one loud MoFo. Ok maybe I'm biased, Dad works for RR in Indianapolis, IN on the Allison designed POS 3007. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:06:31 AM EDT
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wtf, why ?!?!
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:08:50 AM EDT
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Putting their eggs in the F-35 basket. A little premature, it seems. Why not keep the FRS2s until the f-35 comes on line, if ever? They are relatively new, I think. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:09:35 AM EDT
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because paybacks a bitch!  
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:33:30 AM EDT
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You don't need carriers, you have us to protect you
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:39:18 AM EDT
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There is nothing wrong with the Harriers, plenty of life in them, more than enough to last till the F-35's come online. The Admirals are pissed as hell, but the Politicians shitcanned the Sea Harriers to save money. As one Politician told us.."The Royal Navy will not be engaging in offensive operations without the US alongside"....It apparently had not occured to the fuckwit that we just might be off doing something on our own...  ANdy |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:40:11 AM EDT
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Fortunately, yes! ANdy |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:54:19 AM EDT
[#10]
Sorry you are being Canada-ized.
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Posted: 1/18/2006 8:58:09 AM EDT
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Nah.. ....We just ordered two of these and 160 F-35's to go with them..  
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Posted: 1/18/2006 9:02:53 AM EDT
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taking off of that deck would be pretty interesting. Why did they decide to slope it up like that? |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 9:28:43 AM EDT
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Thieir carriers do not use a steam catapult system, and at least with the Harrier, it can't do a vertical take off with full fuel and ordinance. Also heard that having similar problems with the F-35
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Posted: 1/18/2006 9:57:30 AM EDT
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Calling Argentina...
Their Slammer equipped birds are gone.... Better act now before those CV's and F-35s get built 
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Posted: 1/18/2006 10:08:11 AM EDT
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Nevermind the fact that it is not the responsibility of the U.S. to provide military services to the UK. Fist we act unilaterally now we are required to do so because no one else has the tools? Oh, and if this saves money for the UK imagine how much cancelling the orders for those two expensive carriers and F-35s will save. Besides, the U.S. will be buying them so why should the UK waste money duplicating the capability? Sorry, Andy, I see this going no other way for you guys. You will never see those carriers or F-35s. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:11:11 PM EDT
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The ink's on the contracts and money has been spent... $1.85 Billion by BAe to date on the F-35 and $500 million (plus a deal with the Phrench to help build a 3rd of the class for them) on the Carriers... ANdy |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:15:10 PM EDT
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Does the Phrench contract include a barrel of Loc-Tite 277 for the screws? |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:17:39 PM EDT
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What? How could they forget the Falklands? There are times when British interest and American interests aren't the same. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:21:00 PM EDT
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The brits pioneered the steam catapult. Heck they pioneered two of the three most important developments for the modern carrier... steam catapult and angled flight deck. US pioneered atomic powered carriers. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:32:37 PM EDT
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Now that harsh!  ANdy |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:36:11 PM EDT
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The design is fitted to take two USN EMALS cats when they become available in 2014, and a lick of paint gives you an angled deck...  Official UK Ministry of Defence Graphic showing the carrers in 'conventional' configuration with cats, wires and an angled... I'm betting they will be finished as Conventional Carriers without the ramp. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 12:38:43 PM EDT
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You know, those carriers really need angled flight decks. 
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Posted: 1/18/2006 2:22:55 PM EDT
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I think they're setup for an angled deck. If I remember correctly, the ski jump will be replaced with electromagnetic catapults when the tech matures. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 3:10:53 PM EDT
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I still think that new carrier type is going to be beautiful !
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Posted: 1/18/2006 4:13:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2006 7:47:36 PM EDT
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The RN did quite well during the Falkland Islands War. fuckwit indeed |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 7:56:16 PM EDT
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Would have done a lot better and lost fewer ships if they had put ANYONE other than a SUBMARINER in charge of air assets. And if it had to be a Submariner at least get one with the wisdom to let the pros do their job without being told HOW to do it. I read Sandy Woodwards (Fleet Admiral) book and Sharkey Wards (Commander 801 Squadron, Sea Harrier) book. |
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Posted: 1/18/2006 11:12:04 PM EDT
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J J Black (Captain of Invincible) and Woodward fell out over tactics quite early on. Woodward was keeping the carriers so far to the east of the Falklands the crew of Invincible were joking that any further east and they would be having weekend leave in South Africa. JJ wanted to deploy the fast gas turbine powered ships (Invicible and the Type 22's and 42's) to the West of the Falklands and leave the older steam powered ships to provide a close blockade to the East. He argued that in open waters the fast carrier task force could run a much more effective missile defence, and the harriers would have more time to stay on station and draw the Argentines fire from the Invasion Force. In hindsight he was right. No ships able to manouevere at speed in open water away from surface clutter were sunk. ANdy |
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