What a mess! I made the unfortunate mistake of asking my professor what the definition of economic justice was in my intro to social work class. I started by explaining that my understanding of justice was that it meant 'to right a wrong'. I asked what wrong was done to people that have a lesser economic situation than others.
Then all hell broke loose. The leftists in the room went nuts(nearly everybody). They said that kids of poor people deserved the right to the same education, or advantages as a rich person. I said that I disagreed because money doesn't grow on trees, you work for it, and being successful allows you to give more advantages to your kids. Then they started in about how downtrodden the poverty stricken were, and they made personal attacks, and one angry girl told me my view was narrow and theirs was large, and that they had explained to me enough(basically implying that I was stupid), and everyone argued for half an hour. Not one other person took my side, it was me vs. the whole room. Lots of angry pandas tonight.
The part that bothers me, is that it actually bothers me that everyone got so mad at me. Since so many people were mad at me, I actually started to wonder if I was wrong, even though I hadn't been logically convinced that I was. The room seemed to bond together over their disapproval of me. Wow.
So I guess my job has been done for the night. Anyone else ever suffer through a similar dilemma?

What a bunch of fucking crybabies.  If they want their flavor of economic justice to be served, why don't they drop out, sell all their possessions and join those they say are so "oppressed"?

I bet it was fun though

They have probably never had to work for anything, and thus don't value it.

Nobody deserves nothing.

John Smith: "You don't work, you don't eat."

Simple.

hmmm...not going to college...but I wonder if I can 'audit' a social work class at the local university

Ask them to try an experiment.

Tell them you want to balance out the GPAs of everyone in the class.  You want to take some of the GPA from those with a 4.0 and give it to those with a 2.5, so everyone has the same GPA.  After all, that's the best way to right the wrongs of those who didn't have the stellar education of the best high schools, or those who didn't have the benefit of good genetics.

When they complain, continue on the same vein--hey, you're just trying to level the playing field for all of you, when you all graduate you will have the same chances in the outside world.

Wait for someone to say "I worked hard for my GPA and I'm not giving it up," then ask them how redistributing GPA is any different than redistributing wealth.  

ETA: In case you missed it, I'm on your side; these people are the kind of liberal socialists who are happy to freely spend YOUR money to make them feel good.

Another thing--as soon as someone makes a personal attack, go on the offense--"you've just created a hostile environment--I'm feeling harrassed and discriminated against for my viewpoint--Professor, are you going to do anything about this, or shall I take it to the dean?"  Don't roll over!

Social work class? You are surprised? Jesus, those people are there due to either white guilt or because they know they will have a job forever. If there was a cure for poverty, they would ignore it to save their jobs, Jut like the war on drugs.

They're in for a wake up call when they meet the real world.

Wait untill they get out into my world and start earning their own money and being taxed till it hurts.  The tune will change.

There was a story about something like this and a wise old guy asked the starry eyed girl if she would mind sharing some of her good grades with a few slackers.  She could take a C- and split the rest of her A amongst the F students that didn't want to do the work.  Of course she said NFW. Then it dawned on her what the real world was like.

I get so f*cking sick of the whole thing about educational opportunities.  With guaranteed student loans and tons of agencies and organizations practically lining up to give kids college money or "job training", there is no excuse for anyone with half a scrap of ambition or intelligence not to be able to get an education.

Perhaps they would be happy if they just handed out  bachelor's degrees in "da hood".  Of course then they would bitch that more whiteys have PhD's...

I've been doing that for a few days at my favorite nudist forum. Socialists everywhere. It's halarious. I know two others that are on my side but both think I'm doing a good enough job that they believe their input is hardly needed. Everyone that's vocal is against me. Even the people that agree with me on other topics disagree about guns. Guns are bad, cause crime, gun ownership is not a "right" blah blah blah. Many totally fail in the methods of logical reasoning and don't even know what a double-standard means.

In the end, I'm trying to say this:

They're idiots. They appeal to other idiots through emotion and feelings and saying "children". If you fall for that routine, you're an idiot too. Don't fall for it, you're right.

Quoted: Wait untill they get out into my world and start earning their own money and being taxed till it hurts.  The tune will change. There was a story about something like this and a wise old guy asked the starry eyed girl if she would mind sharing some of her good grades with a few slackers.  She could take a C- and split the rest of her A amongst the F students that didn't want to do the work.  Of course she said NFW. Then it dawned on her what the real world was like.

Here it is.  I copied it off another ArfComm thread.  Thanks to the original poster.  I take NO credit for this...

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.
One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, “How is you friend Audrey doing?” She replied, “Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.”

Her wise father asked his daughter, “Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, “That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!”

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, “Welcome to the Republican Party.”

They are all socialist. Sometimes you have to stand up against the majority for what you know is right. If you want to donate to charity to help out the less fortunate that is fine I guess. I wonder how they would feel if their paycheck was reduced so that everyone had a equal income level. When they could not afford to buy their triple shot non fat half caffilated peppermint latte in morning. Damn pansies. They are just trying to make themselves feel better, because they in no way positively contribute to society.

so why are they there trying to improve their standing in life then ? so they can put a lazy slackers kids thru school? maybe after these little darlings have had a taste of life in the work a day world a few years, have them come back and say they still feel the same way.

Quoted: The room seemed to bond together over their disapproval of me. Wow. So I guess my job has been done for the night. Anyone else ever suffer through a similar dilemma?

I'd say you did real good. Keep it up!

First, do NOT let a roomful of hanky-stomping, hippy one-love flower sniffing libtard fuckholes get to you. The fact they could only hurl insults means you are right and deep, deep down they know it and they hate you for that.

Hell, Have fun with it, and do EVERYTHING In your power before the class is over  to make at least one of their heads fucking explode like the dude in "Scanners"

I  went through the same thing in my "Contemporary Moral Issues" class in college...only conservative, gun toting speak my mind and "fuck you if it hurts your widdle feelings" asshole in the joint, including the professor.

God, what fun that was, especially when they'd get so mad at me and start losing their shit...it got to the point I was dissapointed if I couldn't incite at least one screaming fit of histionics per class. Apparrently, Throwing Snits and not making a fucking lick of sense are the two things Liberals do best.

Of course I always wore my best pro 2A, pro hunting, anti PETA type shirts just to torque this one Hilary wannabe off, and it worked like a charm. I had that bitch literally shaking one night she was so mad, and the more apparrent it bacame that I was ENJOYING her rage, the better it got...I was thinking she might actually have a stroke.  Or shit herself. Either way, THAT'S entertainment.

The prof loved it, liberal as he was...he told me later he really wanted to jump in, but she was just a bit to high and mighty Little Miss Golden Panties (His Words) and he just couldn't stop enjoying himself. I actually got him to go shooting with me...doubt he bought a gun, but he was much more open after that range session..

Oh, and I made an "A" for not backing down. Most fun I ever had in class in College. (I did NOT nail my Microbiology Lab TA in class, but at my Apartment, so she don't count )

SG

Hey 2Idoc,  If they Idiot "masses" are angry, then that means you are doing good.  Keep it up.

make your next topic on guns!.. and bring a camera!

I think they are all moral crusaders. The main example by one douchebag who later told us all about how he was diagnosed as bi-polar/ADDHD/Depressed, so on and so on, was about how a kid that is raised in a wealthy New England family can just rely on his parents for the money to go to Harvard, where a poor black  kid(excuse me, African-American) who grew up in the ghetto has no chance to go to Harvard is messed up. The whole, "just because their rich their special" argument.  Then they went on to tell me I'd be in favor of social programs if I had my business and family home and everything destroyed in Hurricane Katrina. I said that's not what I'm talking about. They all replied in unison "yes it is!".
I have no problem with a program that puts people back on their feet after an act of God disaster. I do have a problem with giving my money to someone else because they are entitled to the same "chance" that I am.
One strange thing was when I walked in after the break, the girl that personally attacked me was telling some other girls in the room that she had to put up with me in another class I have with her. She said I argue with everything the professor says. (the Prof has a serious agenda) I don't like backstabbing. That ticked me off. I don't know why I care. It's strange.
These kids are crazy. The older students were rational, and the teacher respected my opinion, and liked the discussion. I think I'll hammer away again next week.

Are you fricken insane?!?!  You are behind enemy lines when you go to college.  Keep your head down, mouth shut, make yourself so small that nobody notices if you are absent.

The professors are in control of grades.  Assume they are all liberal.

I wrote a conservative paper in my english class and I believe I got ripped off with the grade I recieved because of my views.

Call me a wuss, but know when to speak; college is not the place for conservative views.

ETA: If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't change my english paper one bit  

Ask them how many would give up their scholarship, college money, etc. for a poor person

Quoted: One strange thing was when I walked in after the break, the girl that personally attacked me was telling some other girls in the room that she had to put up with me in another class I have with her. She said I argue with everything the professor says. (the Prof has a serious agenda) I don't like backstabbing. That ticked me off. I don't know why I care. It's strange.

Stuff it in her...Oh never mind.

SG

Quoted: Ask them to try an experiment. Tell them you want to balance out the GPAs of everyone in the class.  You want to take some of the GPA from those with a 4.0 and give it to those with a 2.5, so everyone has the same GPA.  After all, that's the best way to right the wrongs of those who didn't have the stellar education of the best high schools, or those who didn't have the benefit of good genetics. When they complain, continue on the same vein--hey, you're just trying to level the playing field for all of you, when you all graduate you will have the same chances in the outside world. Wait for someone to say "I worked hard for my GPA and I'm not giving it up," then ask them how redistributing GPA is any different than redistributing wealth.

I've seen commie students say "that's fine with me" when presented with that one.  Yeah, no shit.

Tell them" this is a college, either argue my ideas or STFU". People who can't defend thier beliefs always stoop to personel attacks, don't let it get to you.

For claiming to be the most diverse, inclusive and tolerant people on the planet....liberals sure can be a bunch of asshats if you disagree with their position (fortunately...thats most of the country)

WBK

Quoted: I bet it was fun though They have probably never had to work for anything, and thus don't value it. Nobody deserves nothing. John Smith the Apostle Paul: "You don't work, you don't eat." Simple.

fixed it



GOOD WORK IN THE CLASSROOM

Quoted: What a bunch of fucking crybabies.  If they want their flavor of economic justice to be served, why don't they drop out, sell all their possessions and join those they say are so "oppressed"?

exactly

Getting mad was the key.  For them it's essentially an emotional argument and they let you know that right up front.  It should be a good lesson for you.  Of course if you called them on it, they'd say you deserved it for being obtuse, or that au contraire you were the trouble maker.   All their shouting amounts to a "victim" mentality.  Meet the worst side of "secular humanism", the religion of liberals.

Their idea of economic justice is IMHO just another form of "slavery".  I work hard for my money, very hard because everyone want's part of it and I don't mean people or businesses I owe money to.  The welfare hoe want's her cut, the overweight "disabled" can't works want their cut.......  I ask WhyTF should I buy these lazy ass con-artists their beer, their smokes, their drugs, their satellite TV......  Our current system of doing things makes people who go out a earn an honest dollar slaves.  We are the ones that need justice.

The funniest part was that the whole class including the professor agreed that the definition of justice was equality. One particular moonbat hippy girl that earlier invited us all to learn more about Indigo Children(I shit you not) went on to explain to me that the statue of justice, (the one with the woman wearing a blind over her eyes and a scale in her hands) stands for equality. That one side is no heavier than the other.

Where the hell did she come up with that idea?! I almost started laughing.

I should tell the teacher that if I get a bad grade, and someone else gets a good grade that I'm being oppressed.

Quoted: Quoted: The room seemed to bond together over their disapproval of me. Wow. So I guess my job has been done for the night. Anyone else ever suffer through a similar dilemma? I'd say you did real good. Keep it up! First, do NOT let a roomful of hanky-stomping, hippy one-love flower sniffing libtard fuckholes get to you. The fact they could only hurl insults means you are right and deep, deep down they know it and they hate you for that. Hell, Have fun with it, and do EVERYTHING In your power before the class is over  to make at least one of their heads fucking explode like the dude in "Scanners" I  went through the same thing in my "Contemporary Moral Issues" class in college...only conservative, gun toting speak my mind and "fuck you if it hurts your widdle feelings" asshole in the joint, including the professor. God, what fun that was, especially when they'd get so mad at me and start losing their shit...it got to the point I was dissapointed if I couldn't incite at least one screaming fit of histionics per class. Apparrently, Throwing Snits and not making a fucking lick of sense are the two things Liberals do best. Of course I always wore my best pro 2A, pro hunting, anti PETA type shirts just to torque this one Hilary wannabe off, and it worked like a charm. I had that bitch literally shaking one night she was so mad, and the more apparrent it bacame that I was ENJOYING her rage, the better it got...I was thinking she might actually have a stroke.  Or shit herself. Either way, THAT'S entertainment. The prof loved it, liberal as he was...he told me later he really wanted to jump in, but she was just a bit to high and mighty Little Miss Golden Panties (His Words) and he just couldn't stop enjoying himself. I actually got him to go shooting with me...doubt he bought a gun, but he was much more open after that range session.. Oh, and I made an "A" for not backing down. Most fun I ever had in class in College. (I did NOT nail my Microbiology Lab TA in class, but at my Apartment, so she don't count ) SG

Excelent! We need more people like you! Its not right to "shut up and just get a good grade", we need not be afraid to stand up for our point of view. Shure youll get shot down alot, but it makes you a better debater after awhile. If we dont argue with them every now and then they will never hear the truth, and our side will be more and more afraid to speak the truth in an academic setting. It isnt that there arent that many conservitives in college, but the ones that are there are largely afraid to argue thier point of view, and the rest of the sheeple just go along with the liberal lies.

Remember,

"Its better to be hated for who you are then loved for who your not."

Several years ago I went back to finish my degree. You wanna have some REAL fun, try being a middle-age, right-wing, white male in a 'Critical Reasoning' class full of liberal "skulls full of mush"!

It was like shooting fish in a barrel. "Why, that's a 'slipery slope' argument, kiddo!" or "Can't you substantiate your position without stooping to ad hominem arguements?"

RTKBA seemed to dominate my papers....much to the chagrin of the libtard-kids. Their public skool indoctrination was telling!

Quoted: <Snip> I think These kids are crazy. The older students were rational, and the teacher respected my opinion, and liked the discussion. <Snip>

There's the answer.  Undergraduates or younger students these days are in "high school part II".  They have no analytical or critical thinking skills: they just regurgitate the crap that's been spoon fed to them.  Everybody's a "victim".  Evil rich people.  Everything is always someone else's fault, usually that most despised of animals: the North American White Male.

Ten years from now if you had an undergrad class with the same people you would likely see a big difference in their attitudes.  They will have realized *SHOCK* that they're not the smartest creatures in the history of the species.  Their hormones would have calmed down a little by that time as well.  Never underestimate the power of boiling hormones and peer pressure to make kids as stupid as a goddamned box of rocks.  

Let them rant and rave.  Just make sure you don't raise your voice and always keep your composure.  It makes them look stupid and may impress your instructor as well.

2IDdoc- I'm guessing that you are at least a few years older than your fellow students and have spent some time out in the real world?  Maybe they just need a dose of reality and will one day see the folly of paying for people that are lazy/stupid.

Wadddaya expect from a social work class?  I had to work with a lot of those lefties in the 90s and hated it.  They were so out of contact with reality and saw things through tinted glasses that they were locked in the '60s mindset.

That said, YOU DA MAN.  You stood up, stirred the hornet's nest and while you had doubts, stood your ground.  You should have asked them for a show of hands.

1) How many are working their way through college?  Ask them if they are willing to share their earnings so so disadvantaged and lazy phuck can attend college with them?  Have them sit.
2) How many on loans?  Ask them if they are willing to share their loans?  Have them sit.
3) How many are on scholarships?  Ask them if they are willing to share their scholarships?  Have them sit.
4) How many on daddy's dollars?  Ask them if they are willing daddy's dollars?  Have them sit.

Then announce that everyone sitting down is a phucking lying bag o' SH_T (then run like crazy).

Quoted: What a mess! I made the unfortunate mistake of asking my professor what the definition of economic justice was in my intro to social work class. I started by explaining that my understanding of justice was that it meant 'to right a wrong'. I asked what wrong was done to people that have a lesser economic situation than others. Then all hell broke loose. The leftists in the room went nuts(nearly everybody). They said that kids of poor people deserved the right to the same education, or advantages as a rich person. I said that I disagreed because money doesn't grow on trees, you work for it, and being successful allows you to give more advantages to your kids. Then they started in about how downtrodden the poverty stricken were, and they made personal attacks, and one angry girl told me my view was narrow and theirs was large, and that they had explained to me enough(basically implying that I was stupid), and everyone argued for half an hour. Not one other person took my side, it was me vs. the whole room. Lots of angry pandas tonight. The part that bothers me, is that it actually bothers me that everyone got so mad at me. Since so many people were mad at me, I actually started to wonder if I was wrong, even though I hadn't been logically convinced that I was. The room seemed to bond together over their disapproval of me. Wow. So I guess my job has been done for the night. Anyone else ever suffer through a similar dilemma?

Kool. Tell them to put their Money where their Mouth is, Empty the pockets, Wallets and Purses onto a table in the middle of the room, have all of the money counted up and divided equally to everyone in the class who is of such an Egalitarian Ideology. (ie. have a Broad View of things).

The Narrow Minded people (ie. Capitalists) are exempt from the process and cannot receive a share.

Also tell have the class agree that no matter what, no matter how hard or how little they work they will get the same grade computed by Adding up the total Grade Points in the Class and dividing it by the number of Socialists in the Class.

(The Narrow Minded Capitalists in the Class will have to miss out on this one too).

Agree with Boston Terrier.  A liberal is someone who is generous with another's person's time, resources and money.  

Equal opportunity is not the same as equal outcome. Liberals/socialists overwhelmingly believe in equal outcomes.

A good analogy is a football or basketball game. Both teams start out with a score of zero. After 4 periods of play, the team with the most points wins. Opportunity was equal, but outcomes are not equal.

On the other hand, rookie golfers are given a handicap to help equalize outcomes.

Quoted: Ask them to try an experiment. Tell them you want to balance out the GPAs of everyone in the class.  You want to take some of the GPA from those with a 4.0 and give it to those with a 2.5, so everyone has the same GPA.  After all, that's the best way to right the wrongs of those who didn't have the stellar education of the best high schools, or those who didn't have the benefit of good genetics. When they complain, continue on the same vein--hey, you're just trying to level the playing field for all of you, when you all graduate you will have the same chances in the outside world. Wait for someone to say "I worked hard for my GPA and I'm not giving it up," then ask them how redistributing GPA is any different than redistributing wealth.   Another thing--as soon as someone makes a personal attack, go on the offense--"you've just created a hostile environment--I'm feeling harrassed and discriminated against for my viewpoint--Professor, are you going to do anything about this, or shall I take it to the dean?"  Don't roll over!

+1

You posed this question to the teacher, did you not?

I'm sure the Prof was happy to see all the "discussion" going on though.

Good job standing up for the truth.  The best way to win those arguments is by letting the other guy get all emotional.  Let him shoot his wad and then smash his argument to tiny bits with cold hard reality.

Give them some simple facts:

7 of 10 children born to unmarried women are born into poverty.  Why are unmarried women having children?  It puts the child at a huge disadvantage simply because the "parents" cannot exercise any self control.

1 in 20 children born into a traditional family structure are born in poverty.    

Seems to me that the best way to prevent children from being born into poverty is to get married first.  Get established and then have children.

It is irresponsible to bring children into the world if you can't provide for them.  

It is irresponsible to bring children into the world if you are a drug addict and you use during your pregnancy.

It is irresponsible to father children with several woman and then not provide support for any of them.

It is irresponsible to bring children into the world and expect others to pick up the cost of raising them.

It is irresponsible act in a way that spreads all sorts of STD's and then expect others to pick up the healh care costs.


Tell them of the social injustice of these irresponsible actions costing this country hundreds of billions of dollars that could be spent helping people who are really trying to make the world a better place to live.

At some point there has to be some sort of personal responsibility not to add to society's woes.   These sorts of activities are a social injustice in themselves.  See if the professor is willing to tackle this side of the issue.  

One raeson for the development of morals is to prevent those behaviors that place additional burdens on the rest of society.  Tell them that every dollar spent in this country to pick up the tab of sexual promiscuity is one less available to be spend reducing third world debt.

Today’s liberals are conditioned like Pavlov’s dog.

Liberals have been conditioned over the past 35 years.  When particular words and ideas are discussed, emotional behaviors are triggered.  

You disagreed with the socialist agenda.

You rang the bell, and the dogs began to salivate.

Did you feel the need to conform?  Of course you did.  

Your liberal classmates of been conditioned to:
a. react emotionally, while avoiding logic
c. use charged emotions to intimidate non-conformers, and add legitimacy to their ideas

Why did you feel the need to conform?  Because deep inside on a primitive level, by not conforming to their agenda… you feared for your safety.

Welcome to modern liberalism.

What you saw was not anger. It was the 21st Century American expression of the sentiment that caused Bantu tribesmen to howl and shake their spears the first time they saw an Englishman light a cigar with a kitchen match.

College.  Ha!  

We were once tasked with describing someone with historical leadership qualities that made a difference in the world of personal or professional nature.  The assignment tasked us with explaining the person and the positive influence they had on their followers who agreed with the leadership style, and to further explain if those qualities ever "caught on" in mainstream society.

I picked Jesus Christ - and like Him, I was crucified for it.  I got wrung out to dry for "introducing religion in a business class."  Some of the more popular examples were Malcom X and Ghandi.  The lady most opposed to my choice picked Al Sharpton  Yeah, there's a fine example of a leader, much better than Christ.

I quit the class and told the instructor I'd re-take it when the bigotry and double standards ceased to exist and would only do so with another instructor.  How was Ghandi OK but Christ was taboo?  Seems to me Ghandi was a religious leader, too.

The instructor gave me zero credit for the assignment, stating "religion has no place in a college class, and disrupting the class integrity by introducing personal beliefs in a manner designed to promote a personal agenda will not be tolerated."

One call to my AA (I am in the top 5% out of 80,000 + students with a solid 4.0, a peer tutor, and  teaching assistant) and the instructor was placed on probation for showing unfair and unequal treatment to all students, and for discrimination against religious beliefs, and deleting my posts and assigning no credit.  I get to re-take the class for free - cost Kaplan $285/cr hr and it was a 6 cr hr class.

So yes, I know exactly how you feel.  

Fucking liberal whack jobs in this country...  Scary to think these are our future leaders.  What REALLY pisses me off was the instructor's reaction.  Malcom X, Ghandi, Al Sharpton, and one dumbass posted her local news anchor a great community leader...  Those were good to go.  Mention Jesus, though, and get hours and hours of typing erased, a zero for a grade, and berated by both instructor and 90% of the class.

Quoted: What a mess! I made the unfortunate mistake of asking my professor what the definition of economic justice was in my intro to social work class. I started by explaining that my understanding of justice was that it meant 'to right a wrong'. I asked what wrong was done to people that have a lesser economic situation than others. Then all hell broke loose. The leftists in the room went nuts(nearly everybody). They said that kids of poor people deserved the right to the same education, or advantages as a rich person. I said that I disagreed because money doesn't grow on trees, you work for it, and being successful allows you to give more advantages to your kids. Then they started in about how downtrodden the poverty stricken were, and they made personal attacks, and one angry girl told me my view was narrow and theirs was large, and that they had explained to me enough(basically implying that I was stupid), and everyone argued for half an hour. Not one other person took my side, it was me vs. the whole room. Lots of angry pandas tonight. The part that bothers me, is that it actually bothers me that everyone got so mad at me. Since so many people were mad at me, I actually started to wonder if I was wrong, even though I hadn't been logically convinced that I was. The room seemed to bond together over their disapproval of me. Wow. So I guess my job has been done for the night. Anyone else ever suffer through a similar dilemma?

Oh you could have hit that one out of the park

Then all hell broke loose. The leftists in the room went nuts(nearly everybody). They said that kids of poor people deserved the right to the same education, or advantages as a rich person

For years, democrats have prevented poor children and those children stuck in a failing government school from having the same education that they give there children.  It is called the voucher program that gives parents and students a CHOICE in what they want.  The socialist are against it because it takes away the control they have over the indoctronation that is on going in the governmental school system.  If they really want children to have a fair start in education they would support Republicans and the voucher system.

you realize that you are going to marry that moonbat chick..right?

Keep up the good work.

When I had to take speech, one exercise required us to break down into groups of four for some inane exercise.
Anyway, after brief introductions, this liberal kid who probably weighted a buck and a nickle soaking wet realized that I was wearing a GOP hat.  Without even a moments thought, he actually slapped the hat off of my head.  It's just that instictual for some of them.  "Don't wear that shit around me!"
I was absolutely dumbfounded!  I looked at my hat on the floor, looked at this 18 year old wet eared kid, looked at my hat on the floor, just to be sure it actually happened...
When I stood up, the look of hatred in his eyes suddenly turned to "oh my God...He's going to beat me up!"  It was priceless.  This girl who was his friend chimed in and told him he was very rude.
I decided to let it go.  But, the entire rest of the semester, he stood next to the teacher until I left first!

Quoted: So I guess my job has been done for the night. Anyone else ever suffer through a similar dilemma?

The heard mentality is alluring, isn't it? Going along with the crowd, afraid to risk the ire of the others who haven't spent 10 minutes questioning the underlying facts that make up their reality?

Everyone should have a good education!
Everyone should have good medical care!

Nice slogans, and few would disagree with such statements.

The wiser person, however, begins to ask questions: What is good education, and what makes good education possible? Can we really make sure everyone has a good education?

Being the person that looks more deeply at a question than the sloganeering will always make you odd.

But leaders aren't supposed to be like the rest of the heard. You are supposed to stand out.