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Posted: 1/16/2006 5:58:33 AM EDT
General Robert E. Lee
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Posted: 1/16/2006 5:59:32 AM EDT
[#1]
Amen
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:01:42 AM EDT
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X2 Not the one I was expecting though.... |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:02:40 AM EDT
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Well, it must be MLK day (glances at calender) yep - it is.
I thought Lee-Jackson day was last friday anyway? Wonder how many locked threads we'll see. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:03:17 AM EDT
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William Tecumseh Sherman was the man... |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:04:04 AM EDT
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Yup--same "clever" shit every year.  ETA: This reminds me of the way gas station employees always ask if you also have "gasoline" when you approach the counter to pay for something else you are carrying--they've heard the "I haven't farted all day" joke a million times when they ask if you "have gas." 
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:14:30 AM EDT
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Yes, folks are always fond of recalling the man who torched Georgia.  Whereas, General Lee is only worshipped by the non-hooligans among us. Upon General Lee’s death in 1870, the New York Herald wrote an obituary. It reads as follows: “On a quiet autumn morning, in the land which he loved so well and served so faithfully, the spirit of Robert Edward Lee left the clay which it had so much ennobled and traveled out of this world into the great and mysterious land. Here in the North, forgetting that the time was when the sword of Robert Edward Lee was drawn against us—forgetting and forgiving all the years of bloodshed and agony—we have long since ceased to look upon him as the Confederate leader, but have claimed him as one of ourselves; have cherished and felt proud of his military genius; have recounted and recorded his triumphs as our own; have extolled his virtue as reflecting upon us—for Robert Edward Lee was an American, and the great nation which gave him birth would be today unworthy of such a son if she regarded him lightly. “Never had mother a nobler son. In him the military genius of America was developed to a greater extent than ever before. In him all that was pure and lofty in mind and purpose found lodgment. Dignified without presumption, affable without familiarity, he united all those charms of manners which made him the idol of his friends and of his soldiers and won for him the respect and admiration of the world. Even as in the days of triumph, glory did not intoxicate, so, when the dark clouds swept over him, adversity did not depress.” And that's what his former enemies said about him! Eric The(BlessedToBeASoutherner)Hun 
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:16:14 AM EDT
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Was expecting to read "James Earl Ray" as a gotcha response.
I've heard Happy James Earl Ray Day three times already this morning.  
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:19:13 AM EDT
[#8]
Me? Yes its my birthday too.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:22:47 AM EDT
[#9]
Yes, Lee was the hero in the war of northern agression....
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:28:35 AM EDT
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He still lost... The eulogy for Sherman would not be he was ''pure and lofty in mind"... ..it would be 'He crushed his enemies, saw them driven before him, and heard the lamentations of their women'. Sherman is my kind of General. ANdy |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:28:49 AM EDT
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Or like when you hand a cashier a $20, $50, or $100 bill and they check it and you tell them "oh I just made that today!" or "you're not going to be able to tell it's fake, I'm a pro." Folks, they've heard it enough times to last 5 lifetimes. WTF is the point in idiotic stuff like this? |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:29:50 AM EDT
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So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained.
and his birthday, as mentioned below is the 19th, not today. Sounds like someone is pissed about MLK...enough to lie about Robt E. Lee. So, if it's an honest mistake OK, if you're just stirring shit, go over to DU and make yourself useful. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:31:35 AM EDT
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I thought Lee's birthday was the 19th.
Besides who'd want to celebrate the birthday of a man who LOST THE WAR by throwing away his men in a mindless frontal assault?
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:41:28 AM EDT
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In before the "omfg the war was not about slavery!" apologists. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:43:17 AM EDT
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I come from Lancaster, his birthplace! He remarked many times though, that he didn't like Lancaster. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:45:06 AM EDT
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Maybe that's why he went down south and trashed the place? Venting his frustration with Lancaster? |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:19:53 AM EDT
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wow vitto how would you feel if i stated it's a damned shame Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering wasn't victoriuos in leveling those stupid brits during the battle of britan? That is essentially what you have just said to me. Sherman specifically targeted non military and civillians. He was a war criminal and should have been imprisoned. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:23:43 AM EDT
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You talking about the greatest loser, right? Oh snap. On a sidenote, you would be surprised about Sherman's actions postwar.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:25:02 AM EDT
[#19]
Unfortunately particuarly in this case the writing of history goes to the victor.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:40:17 AM EDT
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"MLK" Holiday? She It. Even though there isn't much going on in my office today, I come in and tidy up the place, scrub toilets even, and *work*.
How about we hijack the PC idiocy and call it MILK Day, in celebration of dairy foods? I brought a chunk of cheese with me for lunch just with that in mindh.gif. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:46:39 AM EDT
[#21]
And don't forget that when he finished burning out Southern women and children, he went west to carry on his campaign of genocide against the Indians. What a guy. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:46:59 AM EDT
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The alternative would have been for the war to drag on for longer and many more deaths. He was offered the ticket to run for President IIRC. Anyway, he was FAR more harsh with the Natives... "I think our interest is to favor the undertaking of the Road, as it will help bring the Indian problem to a final solution." "We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier." "We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux," Sherman wrote to Ulysses S. Grant (commanding general of the federal army) in 1866, "even to their extermination, men, women and children." The Sioux must "feel the superior power of the Government." Sherman vowed to remain in the West" till the Indians are all killed or taken to a country where they can be watched." "During an assault," he instructed his troops, "the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age." - General William Tecumseh Sherman, Commander of the U.S. Army West |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:47:10 AM EDT
[#23]
i get it off as a holiday for my company! and no, i do not work for guberment
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:49:36 AM EDT
[#24]
So you got some of that cheese that you can listen to outside!?! |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:50:06 AM EDT
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Well, first of all BULLSHIT! Sadly, that was apparently the way that the war was prosecuted. No reb generals, of course, would have ever done anything like that. Do you think that GWB is a war criminal since some civilians have surely been killed in Afghanistan & Iraq? Second, Andy can spell, use capital letter appropriately, & use punctuation so a person can understand what he is talking about, not have to decipher it from ramblings filled with vitriol. Third, if you guys would just get over the Civil War which was lost 140 years ago, it would be a non-issue. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 10:59:50 AM EDT
[#26]
Happy Birthday Uncle.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:02:49 AM EDT
[#27]
OK, I can appreciate why the 'Southerners' have an issue with Sherman, but he was the first 'modern' General.
He understood that you did not have to slaughter tens of thousands of the enemies troops to wn a battle. He understood logistics and that the best way to defeat your enemy was to interfere with his capacity to wage war. If the enemy can't come to the fight, they lose. The March to the Sea was 'harsh' but IMHO the alternative would have been a series of pitched battles that would have killed FAR more Southerners than were killed by the March. ANdy |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:05:17 AM EDT
[#28]
Bullshit! All alaman did was post that it was Robert E. Lee day(which it is). It was the non-Southern members that started with all the "you lost" crap. I don't think any of the Southern members here are the ones hung up on who won/lost the Civil War. Some of them are, however, picky about history and will correct those that post inaccuracies. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:06:05 AM EDT
[#29]
How about Lord Cornwallis...........left to tuck his tail between his legs and go back to England
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:07:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Uhhh, not quite:
ETA my source, www.nps.gov/anti/lee_bio.htm |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:09:14 AM EDT
[#31]
That's only Virginia. In Virginia, the Firday preceeding the third Monday in January--January 14 this year--was Lee-Jackson Day. In Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi, today is Robert E. Lee/MLK Day. In Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and North Carolina, Robert E. Lee's birthday is recognized on January 19. In Texas, January 19 is Confederate Heroes Day. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:11:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Wasting your time baiting there Dude, I'm Irish, I side with the Patriots. ANdy |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:11:41 AM EDT
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Yeah, so? MLKJr's birthday is actually the 15th. Everything is always 'celebrated' on a monday so people can get a 3 day weekend. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:13:45 AM EDT
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Good for you then............alot of my ancestors came from Ireland as well
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:14:10 AM EDT
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Yeah, that's a good idea, keep hatin' on TBS like that, really, that's a battle you can win. 
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:16:25 AM EDT
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Lots of closet
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:17:15 AM EDT
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and oddly enough, Lee had freed all of his slaves well before the war started. Most people do not know that Arlington was Robert E. Lee's home, taken over for use as a hospital during the war and never returned (IIRC). So we honor the heroe who gave all that he was, without enought troops, supplies, or ammunition by burying our revered military dead in the place he called home. Fitting enough. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:17:59 AM EDT
[#38]
fixed that for ya! 
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:20:22 AM EDT
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I'm at work right now. The only one here... It is amazing how much work you can get done when you don't have to deal with so many equals. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:20:40 AM EDT
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Actually, Elvis's birthday is on Jan. 8th.
(And everybody knows Elvis was "the King" )
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:21:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:22:18 AM EDT
[#42]
fixed that for ya! And why did they want out of the union? Slavery. Nice try, doesn't wash. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:24:59 AM EDT
[#43]
< tries not to giggle >
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:26:41 AM EDT
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You need to relax. You're putting way more into this thread than there is. No one is taking anything away from Martin Luther King, Jr. Also, you really need to be careful about who you call a Nazi. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:30:19 AM EDT
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Its the same shit every year come MLK day in the south. "Robert E. Lee day" or some such crap. It really is pathetic considering the day in question reflects the life of a man murdered for his beliefs. I'd figure those that want to uphold the imagery of a honorable south would respect the man enough to let him have his day considering you can easily recognize lee on his birthday.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:30:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:31:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:35:50 AM EDT
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B. FACT. BLACK FREEDMEN volunteered to fight and we're allowed to form units and be supplied whereas black volunteers in the north were often faced with ridicule and givin a lot of trouble when they wanted to fight. It was absolutely NOT about slavery, Lincoln knew how history worked so he brought the emancipation proclaimation in so that when history was written, it would appear as though the war was about slavery, It wasn't then, and it's not now. Don't talk history unless you know history. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:37:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:38:54 AM EDT
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“A plaque intended to honor deep-voiced actor James Earl Jones at the Lauderhill, Florida, 2002 celebration of Martin Luther King Day caused city officials incredible embarrassment. Somehow the plaque’s maker inscribed this extremely incorrect message:
“‘Thank you James Earl Ray for keeping the dream alive.’ “Ray was the man convicted of assassinating King in Memphis, Tennessee, in 1968.” —ABC News |
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