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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:26:12 PM EDT
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The Ceteme, because it is in 7.62 NATO.
If larger animals were not an issue, perhaps the AR. |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:26:14 PM EDT
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GE minigun in 7.62mm.
or for varmint and hunting and target, Barrett model 82. Ice [X] |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:28:47 PM EDT
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A shotgun.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:31:39 PM EDT
[#4]
1100...20 guage.........[:)]
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:32:34 PM EDT
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Say it with me class, "Anti-tank weapon"
[url]http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0900/997.htm[/url] Ice |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:37:55 PM EDT
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I would take the ak with 75 and 100 rd drums,at least 12 30rd mags and a quantiful supply of russian hp and fmj.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:43:54 PM EDT
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Red Ryder BB Gun.[rolleyes] Just be careful not to shoot your eye out.[:D]
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:50:22 PM EDT
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DonS has the right idea. The M16 is adequate for military use because they have lots of higher-caliber backup.
For a person going it alone, you need a full-power cartridge, and neither .223 nor 7.62x39 qualify. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:55:46 PM EDT
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agree with troy- and pack it with at least eight 20-30 rounders, a bipod, one complete change of spare parts, and a cleaning kit with plenty of oil. along with maybe a blanket, a four wheel drive with plenty o' gas, and some matches, and that should get you just about anywhere you want to go...
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:56:18 PM EDT
[#10]
oh yeah, and some way to purify water...
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Posted: 8/7/2001 2:57:49 PM EDT
[#11]
OK,OK...A 870 12 GUAGE......or a model 10 s&w.............[:)]
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Posted: 8/7/2001 3:01:33 PM EDT
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For "going it alone" I'd take the 5.56 NATO or 7.62x39. By "going it alone" I want to have as much ammo as I can carry. For humans, and anything deer size and smaller, .223 will do the job fine.
Troy, what do you mean you need a "full power" cartridge? Last time I checked the 5.56 round still kills just about anything you can shoot with it. And at any combat range it is pound for pound more worth carrying IMO. |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 3:24:56 PM EDT
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"Troy, what do you mean you need a "full power" cartridge? Last time I checked the 5.56 round still kills just about anything you can shoot with it. And at any combat range it is pound for pound more worth carrying IMO. "
What Troy means (not to put words in his mouth but ithink I can guess)is this M4guy, The .308win or 7.62nato with standard remington Core-locks gets 2200ft-lbs of energy @100 yards, tHe .223(5.56nato) with remington soft points gets 980-1020 ft-lbs of energy at 100 yards, less than half of what the .308 gets. Because of the shock of the bullet, if you wounded someone, the 7.62mm Nato would get alot more energy and possibly the shock alone would kill them or, the bullet would pass through four-five attackers, or the person will definately be knocked down for a while. The .223rem will only work for face/head shots and chest(assuming no kevlar) to kill, it has little knockdown power in comparison,ALthough I don't wanna be hit by one Mortis, I would definately Take the CETME. Hey Where did you get all the parts to build yours? -Chuck |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 3:27:33 PM EDT
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If you want parts for the CETME, do a search for "HK G3 parts", most of the guys that carry those carry CETME parts.
Ice |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 3:40:39 PM EDT
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CHUCK6419 the Cetme was purchased from www.gunsnammo.com It is a Century with a SW receiver. I did have to send it back because the trigger housing was milled to short and would "pop off" the front of the receiver. Got it back in 1 week and has been a keeper ever since. I ordered a plastic G3 stock set from www.tapco.com and made it fit (not a fun thing). looks pretty good though. I do like it alot. Although I must admit, my AR is my baby.
And the SAR1 is a gem. OK, I am hopeless. I got the gun itch. Thank you all for the responses. Mortis... |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 3:45:49 PM EDT
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FAL, gotta go with the more powerful 7.62Nato.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 4:00:18 PM EDT
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YOUR MIND IS YOUR PRIMARY WEAPON.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 4:23:02 PM EDT
[#18]
12ga pump shotgun with slug, buck and shot.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 4:23:19 PM EDT
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M1 Garand in 30.06 [:D]
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Posted: 8/7/2001 4:53:17 PM EDT
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I was always told that the military considers wounding a enemy to be a good thing, wounding a soldier causes more resources to be needed. If that is correct,than the military would have considered the ballistics/trade-offs of the 223. I would choose a 12 gauge 3" 870, with a screw in choked deer barrel. You could carry slugs,buck,and bird shot and be very well armed for most anything.Ammo is easy to get also.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 5:01:12 PM EDT
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Suitcase Nuke ???
[}:D] |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 5:08:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Shotgun
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Posted: 8/7/2001 7:25:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: YOUR MIND IS YOUR PRIMARY WEAPON. Well Said! The caliber/weapon has no meaning if you can't hit or evade your target/enemy. Chuck and Troy, Regardless of ft lbs energy, at 100 yards, I believe .223 is still highly effective for anti-personnel and . How much energy is really required to kill a human? If a .308 goes through and exits the target, how much of that energy have you completely lost? Maybe half?? Hmmm, so why not carry more ammo. Anyway, that's just one take on the subject. |
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Posted: 8/7/2001 8:07:08 PM EDT
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308 is more power then needed, 5.56 just cuts it. I dont know about you, but I like being overpowering then just acceptable.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 8:25:27 PM EDT
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Don't bring a Carbine to a Rifle fight.
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Posted: 8/7/2001 8:46:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: YOUR MIND IS YOUR PRIMARY WEAPON. Well Said! The caliber/weapon has no meaning if you can't hit or evade your target/enemy. Chuck and Troy, Regardless of ft lbs energy, at 100 yards, I believe .223 is still highly effective for anti-personnel and . How much energy is really required to kill a human? If a .308 goes through and exits the target, how much of that energy have you completely lost? Maybe half?? Hmmm, so why not carry more ammo. Anyway, that's just one take on the subject. I don’t understand the whole concept of “wasted energy” if a bullet exits. It seems to me that the “energy transfer” damage imparted on a target is specifically the rapid displacement of the tissue that the bullet is passing through. As the bullet slows down, and the velocity is not sufficient to cause temporary cavity damage, all of this “energy” that is being “dumped” is wasted. So, if the guy is 12” thick, and that velocity drop happens over the last 1/3 of the penetration, there is no “energy” component to the damage, only the permanent crush or slicing cavity has an effect. Contrast this to a .50 cal BMG round. It will plow through a torso and displace tissue through its entire path, barely slowing in the process. According to your previous statement, this results in a massive amount of “wasted energy.” I see it as a round that imparts “energy” powerful enough to cause massive temporary cavity damage through the entire wound track. It also, since it blows a fairly good hole in the backside of the target, gives the target an additional large hole to bleed through. The bottom line is this, a 9mm will “dump all of its energy” into a target (with a larger diameter projectile, BTW), but a .50 cal BMG will “waste almost all of its energy” by completely penetrating. Which would you rather be hit with? |
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Posted: 8/8/2001 1:30:13 AM EDT
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.223 is enough bullet 80+% of the time, but (I believe) we're talking about a situation where your very life depends on your rifle being able to handle ANY situation. Bears were mentioned. If all you have is a .223, don't bother. Someone hiding in a field of grass/weeds? .223 bullets are light enough to be deflected easily.
Assuming you have a 20" AR and you're using M193, the max range that you'll get reliable bullet fragmentation is 200 yards. This is what gives the rifle "stopping power."** If you have a shorter barrel, or you're using underloaded ammo, or using M855, the range is less. .308 rifles have 800 yards of stopping power (assuming you can connect), but they can also shoot through stuff that would be "cover" from .223, and still retain enough power to do major damage. Again, the original question assumed that you'd have one rifle, and be out in the world where you'd need your rifle to get you through any situation, from urban to rural. .223 isn't it. I wish it was, 'cause M16s are a lot lighter than FALs, but it just isn't so. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/8/2001 1:55:17 AM EDT
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Weight is something I hear a lot about but with a good backpack the avg man should be able to carry half of his weight and a person who use to doing it can do %75 of there weight.
If for just a day patrol I would say at most a quarter of your weight now beef jerky 1 change of clothing and water putrefaction tables I found don't weight that much. So the ammo you take is up to you you maybe able to carry 500 rd of 223rem and only 250 rd of 308win. But we all must remember that if your on a day patrol and there is only two or 3 of you If its going to take more then 100 rounds your in over your head. That is what I was taught but if you are being hit you should just get the hell out of there and hide because it does not matter if your able to carry 10,0000 round of any ammo if the force is to big then just get out find a place to hide because you may take a few but they can shoot back also. |
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Posted: 8/8/2001 5:23:09 AM EDT
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American Express
Don't leave home without it. |
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